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Sandeep Kaur Samra radicalised by terrorists

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5 minutes ago, sitokaur said:

Guru Nanak kirpa karin Sikh kaum upar Jio_/\_

 

 

 

1 minute ago, sitokaur said:

Vahiguroo Jio _/\_bhul chuk muaf as many errors in subtitles vs what is being spoken by Guru Pyareo Parvasa Basics of Sikhi video above ji_/\_

I really want to like your post, and you seem like a genuine good person, but when we have people speaking stuff randomly and accusing each other of stuff, we will have to at least correct it.

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6 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

I don't hate myself at all, or think myself inferior to other people. You don't need to blindly love every aspect of your culture. People have forgotten traditional Punjabi names and unfortunately turn to names like Natasha. JKV has named her daughter Isher, I think that's a great name. 

If you had just led with " Throwing together a bunch of jeets preets mans gurs etc " without meaning is problematic, then that'd be fine.

As for your example of "Gurpinderjeet": Gurjeet is a fine name, it actually has a meaning: "victory of the Guru".

Pinderjeet, on the other hand, what does it mean? Victory of Pinder? Who's Pinder? It's actually supposed to be Inder (king of the gods), I guess, but why stick a "p" in front? I agree that non-sensical names should be avoided. 

But that doesn't mean "all Punjabi names" are bad, and you have to wholesale suck up to The Man.

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Jacfsing2,

jalandha jagat vich sirf Vahiguroo nu kush kario Jio_/\_

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2 minutes ago, sitokaur said:

Jacfsing2,

jalandha jagat vich sirf Vahiguroo nu kush kario Jio_/\_

:waheguru:

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1 minute ago, parmjit10 said:

You don't remember thats why

You've been trolling ever since you got here, quote exactly what I said against women, I can actually quote some of your Anti-women stuff you just said yesterday. Focus on your bhagti and leave this site, you are obviously not grown-up.

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8 minutes ago, parmjit10 said:

Then why you do'nt blame groomers?

When did I say that?

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1 hour ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

Overall point, lets do something constructive and positive, rather than pull each other down over caste, jatha, gender, social class and political views. United we stand, divided we fall...

Bravo to this. We can either bicker and fight each other endlessly like dogs, or we can unite to fight our problems.

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Every Sikh girl that has converted, disgraced or ran away from home eloping with a non-sikh has always been cos the parents/family is dysfunctional and the kid seeks an escape.

Although I agree that a lot of these issues stem from parental failings, don't get it twisted, there are also PLENTY of girls who <banned word filter activated> about when their parents aren't looking (i.e. at university) - and they come from what you would consider supportive, loving parents.

It's not a good idea to simplify the issue as the above from what I've seen. 

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2 hours ago, parmjit10 said:
sí estoy de acuerdo con usted señor I study castes systems in my studies at spain before i go visit india when i go also to Harmandar sahib made with all gold. very beautiful i like it so much. I know castes very bad part of India but not so good to hate all. , es un problema grave. I  understand next time better.
 

Well good for you.:waheguru:

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A lot of generalising, name calling and blame game going on. wheres the help.If my daughter had converted, and I got all this criticism.I would be thinking I see why you converted.Our community is full of individuals who believe their families are great, the rest are messed up.The girl and her family needs help

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1 hour ago, imhosingh said:

These groups only target certain communities because they are divided and weak. Do you see these grooming gangs targeting Jewish women? No because generally the Jews stick up for themselves. We've had our own holocausts but we remain divided. I know Jews who don't practice Judaism but they still identify themselves as Jewish (culturally). But our 'community' is too busy trying to appease and make money to care about identity . Likewise I know areas where there are lots of nepalese people in the UK and Muslims don't touch that community because they would go 'ape' if they were targeted. Same with many other communities that aren't targeted . 

As for the comments like Sikhi is a man-made religion. Ask any Muslim and I have from scholars downwards where is the original koran that was written by the 'illiterate' Muhammed ? Something like that would be held safely somewhere but it doesn't exist. It's one of the 'free miracles' given to Islamic scholars. There is no traceable record of the complete Koran back to Muhammed's time. For example the torah and old testament can be traced back (Jewish folk were pedantic in ensuring the integrity of their texts). Which is why the New testament isn't held highly by Christian and Jewish scholars as it was written a few generations after Jesus by the likes of Peter who had 'political' motivations behind what went in. Back to the Koran it was written by various scribes of Muhammed and then after Muhammed's death there were various versions that were brought together (based on written and memorised records). So if that doesn't make something man-made I dont know what is. Especially when you consider the people who oversaw this would have had 'political', 'economic' and 'power' motives behind what was in it (imagine the Saudi royal family being in charge 1400 years ago, and that type of person overseeing the compilation) . 

Part of protecting our community should be about educating our youth not just about our history but the history of other religions , so they can make their own informed decisions. You have to arm yourself with knowledge 

I agree with you wholeheartedly here. Problem is that people who are  knowledgeable in this way are generally limited to reflective types (who like to read) in the diaspora. Most of us get this knowledge through some stage in our lives when we question religion and look into them - with many of us coming to the conclusion that their own heritage is just fine (a few don't don't and convert).

But what do people think about also explaining our strengths and weaknesses as a faith group too? I mentioned earlier, the sense of camaraderie and pastoral support from abrahamic faiths is a feature that often draws others too them when they don't find it in their own group. For people like me, who don't overly value excessive socialising it's fine. But for others, it's a big issue. We are (in comparative terms) a very judgemental lot. xtians don't give a toss if a girl was a borderline hooker if she comes into the faith - we wouldn't be so cool with that. We all know sullay will take anyone, including thugs with little to no moral ethical moorings (like how so many people convert in prison). Given this, certain people will feel more welcomed and accepted into these faiths than ours. What should we think about this? Should it be explained? 

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45 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I agree with you wholeheartedly here. Problem is that people who are  knowledgeable in this way are generally limited to reflective types (who like to read) in the diaspora. Most of us get this knowledge through some stage in our lives when we question religion and look into them - with many of us coming to the conclusion that their own heritage is just fine (a few don't don't and convert).

But what do people think about also explaining our strengths and weaknesses as a faith group too? I mentioned earlier, the sense of camaraderie and pastoral support from abrahamic faiths is a feature that often draws others too them when they don't find it in their own group. For people like me, who don't overly value excessive socialising it's fine. But for others, it's a big issue. We are (in comparative terms) a very judgemental lot. xtians don't give a toss if a girl was a borderline hooker if she comes into the faith - we wouldn't be so cool with that. We all know sullay will take anyone, including thugs with little to no moral ethical moorings (like how so many people convert in prison). Given this, certain people will feel more welcomed and accepted into these faiths than ours. What should we think about this? Should it be explained? 

Given the example of Ganika in gurbani, Sajjan thug and Kauda Rakash and numerous baddies in Sakian being welcomed wholeheartedly to sikhi maybe we should do better to stop judging (a very prominent feature of Hindian culture) and giving understanding and human empathy...

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1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

Given the example of Ganika in gurbani, Sajjan thug and Kauda Rakash and numerous baddies in Sakian being welcomed wholeheartedly to sikhi maybe we should do better to stop judging (a very prominent feature of Hindian culture) and giving understanding and human empathy...

I think most religious groups have 4 main branches of among orthodoxy folk, (not including the not very religious).

1. You have the extremely devout members who mostly follow the faith on their own lifestyle, and try not making every topic about their religion, it's a private matter.

2. You have the extremely devout members who still keep their faith privately, but tend to only associate with other members of similar devotion. These are usually people who keep themselves with reasonable company, and they want to be with like-minded people.

3. These are the more preaching types, their faiths are more vocalized, and they try making an active lifestyle around their religion, they are heavily involved in community work and want to spread their faith, while still acknowledging their own weaknesses.

4. The judging types, they are probably seeking conformation and they tend to have an attitude based on anti-humility due to their religion. They will judge every incident you do, even if you are part of the other 3 groups of religiously devout people, and are the ones who are the greatest vocal voice for any religion, (even if the other 3 orthodoxy groups are louder).

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5 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

It's the same Hindu Jatts who allowed teeyan to happen to their girls , who are now trying to convince sikh jatts that it is part of their culture when it is reviving a cultural shame ...and yet so called Sikh 'jatts' jump on the band wagon without a second thought .

On the limited matter of teeyan: did girls go voluntarily to have an all-girls dance day? Or were they forced to go by other girls in the pind wielding a daang?

Now I'm not encouraging anybody to sing and dance, but in the larger picture, what's the big deal about singing some nonsense about your husband or mother-in-law? Especially as a female-only event, not girls getting on stage and a bunch of old unclejis perving on them?

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12 minutes ago, BhForce said:

On the limited matter of teeyan: did girls go voluntarily to have an all-girls dance day? Or were they forced to go by other girls in the pind wielding a daang?

Now I'm not encouraging anybody to sing and dance, but in the larger picture, what's the big deal about singing some nonsense about your husband or mother-in-law? Especially as a female-only event, not girls getting on stage and a bunch of old unclejis perving on them?

listen to the katha posted by Sant Kartar SIngh ji on it . What started as a festival associated with Parvati turned into a tool to allow the local mughals to peruse and kidnap girls . Nowadays no one is forcing girls but it is being made out to be something of our virsa when it has jack to do with it , much like Heer Ranja , Sassi Punu ...what our Guru Sahibans have given and what is being pedalled to our young girls ...I grew up in UK and when I went to be shown 'Punjabi customs' (literally dragged along against my will) I felt creeped out fully because you had all the village girls just roaming and singing and dancing , and groups of guys roaming at a distance tracking and watching...

This was also during Kharkoo time 89/90 and they had shut down this kind of stuff . 3 girls were raped within a day of this by some village guys and kharkus told everybody to stay in , the next we heard they had been 'sorted'.

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5 hours ago, imhosingh said:

These groups only target certain communities because they are divided and weak. Do you see these grooming gangs targeting Jewish women?

Good point, we are divided and weak, just look at the bickering and accusations on this thread.

5 hours ago, imhosingh said:

As for the comments like Sikhi is a man-made religion. Ask any Muslim and I have from scholars downwards where is the original koran that was written by the 'illiterate' Muhammed ? Something like that would be held safely somewhere but it doesn't exist.

Excellent point, hadn't quite thought of it that way. When you encounter an aggressive Islamic proselytizer, you only have a few moments to make your point, especially if you have an audience. This is great thing to say, and they have not easy answer (they'll say that the Koran was perfectly memorized, and then recited and written later, but that opens up doubt in the minds of listeners).

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2 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

listen to the katha posted by Sant Kartar SIngh ji on it . What started as a festival associated with Parvati turned into a tool to allow the local mughals to peruse and kidnap girls .

OK, have a link to the Katha?

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6 minutes ago, BhForce said:

OK, have a link to the Katha?

 

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another vital katha that everyone needs to understand :

 

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