Sandeep Kaur Samra radicalised by terrorists

[Guest Jacfsing2]

8 minutes ago, parmjit10 said:

Then why you do'nt blame groomers?

When did I say that?

[jkvlondon]

8 minutes ago, parmjit10 said:

Then why you do'nt blame groomers?

The groomers come low down on the list, first to blame is the stupid parents who ignored their daughter's wish to learn about sikhi , then her fooliness to switch to following musley ideas rather than going online phoning up sikh helpline or something to get help finding sangat then come the Muslim girls who sold her out then the males who indoctrinated her

[Cisco_Singh]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

The groomers come low down on the list, first to blame is the stupid parents who ignored their daughter's wish to learn about sikhi , then her fooliness to switch to following musley ideas rather than going online phoning up sikh helpline or something to get help finding sangat then come the Muslim girls who sold her out then the males who indoctrinated her

I fully agree...Groomers have been there for at least the last 30 years...They will always be there this is beyond our control. 

What is in our control is raising children responsibly and instilling Sikhi knowledge ethics and a strong sense of identity.  Neglecting children and not not providing them with adequate attention and knowledge leaves them more vulnerable to threats like Grooming. If you send a child into the world empty and unprepared...there's plenty of bad outside influences who will fill up that void..

If families don't give their their children the adquate time and attention..They will seek it elsewhere and the groomers are ready and waiting to manipulate and exploit this lack of attention.

Part of this responsibility is to have strong role models within the family both male and female. If you show your children that alcoholism and partying is an acceptable lifestyle...Don't be surprised if they head down the same road.

[BhForce]

1 hour ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

Overall point, lets do something constructive and positive, rather than pull each other down over caste, jatha, gender, social class and political views. United we stand, divided we fall...

Bravo to this. We can either bicker and fight each other endlessly like dogs, or we can unite to fight our problems.

[superkaur]

26 minutes ago, joker said:

im jat and proud of it. My ancestors have been Punjabi  600 years, Sikh 400 years, but jat for 2000. years. So it is difficult for us to lose this tribal loyalty which has been our family and protection for so long, Sanghera and Samra are two tough clans in the jat tribe, so it is not a surprise that these names keep coming up frequently in violent criminal cases.

IF a white young girl had been groomed for Syria, would the discussion have been her family drinks, dances at parties and does not go to church.No, it would have been how did the authorities, school police not stop this radicalisation.We should be trying to help the girl and her family

The problem is not that these are jatt surnames but they are 'Sikh surname'. This issue isnt about jatts being the most idiotic sikhs in the kaum because there is good and bad in all castes and castes is something that should be actively destroyed by inter-marriage with other caste Sikhs. In this day and age we shouldn't even be talking about castes in Sikhi.

Any Sikh who is proud of his/her jattism or another caste should be mocked and slapped around with contempt not held to a peddle-stool

[superkaur]

The sanghera and samra surnames have disgrace Sikhi not cos of actions of Sikh men but because of Sikh girls within those families.... so clearly there is an issue with women within these circles that are not taught Sikhism but are taught worshiping baba's, taught pride in Jattism are taught bhangraism are taught librealism, they are taught alcholism, they are taught worshipping money and materialism, they are taught mixed-faith relationships is fine.

We need to ensure Sikh girls loyalty should only be towards Sikhism and Guru's everything else shouldnt be even worth considering.

How do you get these kinda Sikh girls to have loyality towards sikhi? It comes from good Sikh parenting, good sikh sangat friends and peers around them and creating a loving peaceful calm home environment where Kids respect you as parents.

Every Sikh girl that has converted, disgraced or ran away from home eloping with a non-sikh has always been cos the parents/family is dysfunctional and the kid seeks an escape.

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, joker said:

im jat and proud of it. My ancestors have been Punjabi  600 years, Sikh 400 years, but jat for 2000. years. So it is difficult for us to lose this tribal loyalty which has been our family and protection for so long, Sanghera and Samra are two tough clans in the jat tribe, so it is not a surprr ise that these names keep coming up frequently in violent criminal cases.

IF a white young girl had been groomed for Syria, would the discussion have been her family drinks, dances at parties and does not go to church.No, it would have been how did the authorities, school police not stop this radicalisation.We should be trying to help the girl and her family

what has your bloodline or family's past trade got to do with anything of value TODAY? People laugh that Jatts look for quotas like mangte ,all the while singing and showing off about their bling and bad habits ....before you say anything I am from the same background but it has ZERO to do with my Sikhi- my true  culture and where my loyalty lies ,current career has nothing to do with kheti so why should I be so Proud ?  

It's the same Hindu Jatts who allowed teeyan to happen to their girls , who are now trying to convince sikh jatts that it is part of their culture when it is reviving a cultural shame ...and yet so called Sikh 'jatts' jump on the band wagon without a second thought .

We are NOT Jatts first but Sikhs first ...straighten out priorities 

[dallysingh101]

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Every Sikh girl that has converted, disgraced or ran away from home eloping with a non-sikh has always been cos the parents/family is dysfunctional and the kid seeks an escape.

Although I agree that a lot of these issues stem from parental failings, don't get it twisted, there are also PLENTY of girls who <banned word filter activated> about when their parents aren't looking (i.e. at university) - and they come from what you would consider supportive, loving parents.

It's not a good idea to simplify the issue as the above from what I've seen. 

[imhosingh]

These groups only target certain communities because they are divided and weak. Do you see these grooming gangs targeting Jewish women? No because generally the Jews stick up for themselves. We've had our own holocausts but we remain divided. I know Jews who don't practice Judaism but they still identify themselves as Jewish (culturally). But our 'community' is too busy trying to appease and make money to care about identity . Likewise I know areas where there are lots of nepalese people in the UK and Muslims don't touch that community because they would go 'ape' if they were targeted. Same with many other communities that aren't targeted . 

As for the comments like Sikhi is a man-made religion. Ask any Muslim and I have from scholars downwards where is the original koran that was written by the 'illiterate' Muhammed ? Something like that would be held safely somewhere but it doesn't exist. It's one of the 'free miracles' given to Islamic scholars. There is no traceable record of the complete Koran back to Muhammed's time. For example the torah and old testament can be traced back (Jewish folk were pedantic in ensuring the integrity of their texts). Which is why the New testament isn't held highly by Christian and Jewish scholars as it was written a few generations after Jesus by the likes of Peter who had 'political' motivations behind what went in. Back to the Koran it was written by various scribes of Muhammed and then after Muhammed's death there were various versions that were brought together (based on written and memorised records). So if that doesn't make something man-made I dont know what is. Especially when you consider the people who oversaw this would have had 'political', 'economic' and 'power' motives behind what was in it (imagine the Saudi royal family being in charge 1400 years ago, and that type of person overseeing the compilation) . 

Part of protecting our community should be about educating our youth not just about our history but the history of other religions , so they can make their own informed decisions. You have to arm yourself with knowledge 

[Guest Jacfsing2]

2 hours ago, parmjit10 said:

sí estoy de acuerdo con usted señor I study castes systems in my studies at spain before i go visit india when i go also to Harmandar sahib made with all gold. very beautiful i like it so much. I know castes very bad part of India but not so good to hate all. sí, es un problema grave. I  understand next time better.
 

Well good for you..