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Bhai Jagraj Singh has passed away.

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I ran a Sikh community center for more than 2 years after my usual work hours till late night. My passion is to help and give back something to our community. While doing that, i missed most of my personal family time with my little kids. I started realizing after few months that but then someway you also feel that sangat is your family too. I stepped aside for family time but still helping remotely. My main point is that NOT only bhai jagraj singh led a tough life in starting up basics of sikhi from scratch but he also sacrificed his personal family time which only few ppl can understand. It is not only him who did great panthic work but also his wife bibi sukhmani kaur who deserves to be praised loudly for supporting her husband and without her support there wouldn't be any legacy that bhai jagraj singh created. So, advice to sangat is to support and donate whatever you can for this young family who led a life full of sewa. They did sewa for the house of guru nanak dev ji. We need to show our support ! DONATE TODAY !

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Kirtan of the Shabad (hymn) Santhu Saagar Paar Utareeai led by Sukhmani Kaur & Jatha, at the Kirtan programme to celebrate the life of Jagraj Singh which took place on 30th July 2017 at Havelock Road Gurdwara Southall.

http://sikhilive.com/santhu-saagar-paar-utareeai-by-sukhmani-kaur-jatha-celebrating-the-life-of-jagraj-singh.html

Shabad link: https://www.sikhitothemax.org/shabad?id=2856

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2 hours ago, jaspindjy said:

How much money do you want everyone to be donating to reach $270,000 sum, because there are also the channels that also asking for donations to do prachaar which is to reach many million peoples.  Mostly people don't normally ask for money from sangat when someone dies like raagi died in the gurdwara stage. His family didn't ask for money from others they too had three little children . His wife is asking for us to give her the money her parents and her inlaws will help her in these circumstances. I don't know why is she like a beggar asking us to pay we don't have more money. Can you tell everyone here why she is asking for money from everyone? There are many poor needy peoples all over the world, in punjab many poor peoples with no food or clothes also the gurdwara near them don't help them they turn to jesus for desperation. In England they have children benefits aslo  free schools free medical health too that's why no one dies of hunger it is wrong to ask for money from others if the government look after them if they poor without employment. She can too also work as there many single parents with children they work to feed them children also pay for everything for them. I don't feel good if people beg others to give money to them they must get job but not ask sikhs hard working ordinary people also it is not sikhi to beg. She can also find some employment like everybody else even if she now single parent . When he leave his first wife did the first wife ask for money from the sangat for her kid. What amount she had asked from the sangat? No one must ask for money it is wrong. She can find employment like everybody she must not ask for charity. There many sikhs womens who become widowed and no one gives them any money to their children or anything. It is her being Russian taking advantage or exploiting poor sikh sangat people. In Russia no one collect money if any sikhs womens or mens in trouble. They don't feel proud of sikhs peoples there because they are from India. There also many peoples sikhs dying in punjab because they have no money. Some girls don't marry because they don't have much money for marriages. Their fathers can't find employment because they have problems.

you don't have to give if you don't want to.

1. whatever he had moneywise, timewise he poured into SIkhi di Parchaar, She also suffered lean times too .

2. She has nothing in terms of money as Insurance was not there to cover , plus  she has only just given birth to a child not likely to be able to work to cover mortgage.

3. do you not think not supporting Guru ji's raagis , granthis, and sewadars is a sharam di gall for us all as sikhs ?

4. You assume that His folks will look after her ...these days not many look after their own blood .

5. problems of poverty and lack of help of sikhs is down to those who eat from golak rather than help those in need , catch hold of them because plenty of sikhs abroad collect and send money help via sikh organisations ...

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1 hour ago, jaspindjy said:

How much money do you want everyone to be donating to reach $270,000 sum, because there are also the channels that also asking for donations to do prachaar which is to reach many million peoples.  Mostly people don't normally ask for money from sangat when someone dies like raagi died in the gurdwara stage. His family didn't ask for money from others they too had three little children . His wife is asking for us to give her the money her parents and her inlaws will help her in these circumstances. I don't know why is she like a beggar asking us to pay we don't have more money. Can you tell everyone here why she is asking for money from everyone? There are many poor needy peoples all over the world, in punjab many poor peoples with no food or clothes also the gurdwara near them don't help them they turn to jesus for desperation. In England they have children benefits aslo  free schools free medical health too that's why no one dies of hunger it is wrong to ask for money from others if the government look after them if they poor without employment. She can too also work as there many single parents with children they work to feed them children also pay for everything for them. I don't feel good if people beg others to give money to them they must get job but not ask sikhs hard working ordinary people also it is not sikhi to beg. She can also find some employment like everybody else even if she now single parent . When he leave his first wife did the first wife ask for money from the sangat for her kid. What amount she had asked from the sangat? No one must ask for money it is wrong. She can find employment like everybody she must not ask for charity. There many sikhs womens who become widowed and no one gives them any money to their children or anything. It is her being Russian taking advantage or exploiting poor sikh sangat people. In Russia no one collect money if any sikhs womens or mens in trouble. They don't feel proud of sikhs peoples there because they are from India. There also many peoples sikhs dying in punjab because they have no money. Some girls don't marry because they don't have much money for marriages. Their fathers can't find employment because they have problems.

Brother jagraj singh did exceptional seva for the panth in a short amount of time. If he had 10-15 more years to raise his children and secure his family then we could understand your pov. Show some dard my friend. We in the diaspora don't have too many leaders/parchariks of his stature. Our community desperately needs more gursikhs with his skill set. That's also why he emphasized leadership building so much. 

Lets show our appreciation my friend. Regular folks like me and you come and go. We leave behind some wealth and children, not much more. Just listen to the pulse of the diaspora panth andyou will see what jagraj singh accomplished. 

Lets all show our appreciation dear sangat 

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2 hours ago, jaspindjy said:

How much money do you want everyone to be donating to reach $270,000 sum, because there are also the channels that also asking for donations to do prachaar which is to reach many million peoples.  Mostly people don't normally ask for money from sangat when someone dies like raagi died in the gurdwara stage. His family didn't ask for money from others they too had three little children . His wife is asking for us to give her the money her parents and her inlaws will help her in these circumstances. I don't know why is she like a beggar asking us to pay we don't have more money. Can you tell everyone here why she is asking for money from everyone? There are many poor needy peoples all over the world, in punjab many poor peoples with no food or clothes also the gurdwara near them don't help them they turn to jesus for desperation. In England they have children benefits aslo  free schools free medical health too that's why no one dies of hunger it is wrong to ask for money from others if the government look after them if they poor without employment. She can too also work as there many single parents with children they work to feed them children also pay for everything for them. I don't feel good if people beg others to give money to them they must get job but not ask sikhs hard working ordinary people also it is not sikhi to beg. She can also find some employment like everybody else even if she now single parent . When he leave his first wife did the first wife ask for money from the sangat for her kid. What amount she had asked from the sangat? No one must ask for money it is wrong. She can find employment like everybody she must not ask for charity. There many sikhs womens who become widowed and no one gives them any money to their children or anything. It is her being Russian taking advantage or exploiting poor sikh sangat people. In Russia no one collect money if any sikhs womens or mens in trouble. They don't feel proud of sikhs peoples there because they are from India. There also many peoples sikhs dying in punjab because they have no money. Some girls don't marry because they don't have much money for marriages. Their fathers can't find employment because they have problems.

If you don't want to give money you don't have to. Our Raagis not getting the pay they deserve should be a slap to our faces, not something to be worn as a badge of honor. Daler Mehndi said himself that he left the Kirtan work because the pay was not livable. Us not helping people in Punjab is another slap to our faces as well. Us not helping each other is why we have failed as a community, there isn't much else to say and if the truth hurts, let it sink in, why so many problems are occurring. If Bhai Jugraj Singh Ji while he was alive converted into Christianity or Islam, he would be rich due to his influence, if the great Sikh preachers in India became Hindu, the same would happen to them, if the only loyalty they had was money they wouldn't be Pracharks, it's because of love for Guru they do this. What her being Russian has nothing to do with this, and if you want to discuss real issues, don't run to some racial b.s. because what they do in Russia probably has nothing to do with the current situation. If you expect his family to support him, his brother is Hundal, and even when Bhai Jugraj Singh left the world, he made a post belittling him.

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2 hours ago, jaspindjy said:

How much money do you want everyone to be donating to reach $270,000 sum, because there are also the channels that also asking for donations to do prachaar which is to reach many million peoples.  Mostly people don't normally ask for money from sangat when someone dies like raagi died in the gurdwara stage. His family didn't ask for money from others they too had three little children . His wife is asking for us to give her the money her parents and her inlaws will help her in these circumstances. I don't know why is she like a beggar asking us to pay we don't have more money. Can you tell everyone here why she is asking for money from everyone? There are many poor needy peoples all over the world, in punjab many poor peoples with no food or clothes also the gurdwara near them don't help them they turn to jesus for desperation. In England they have children benefits aslo  free schools free medical health too that's why no one dies of hunger it is wrong to ask for money from others if the government look after them if they poor without employment. She can too also work as there many single parents with children they work to feed them children also pay for everything for them. I don't feel good if people beg others to give money to them they must get job but not ask sikhs hard working ordinary people also it is not sikhi to beg. She can also find some employment like everybody else even if she now single parent . When he leave his first wife did the first wife ask for money from the sangat for her kid. What amount she had asked from the sangat? No one must ask for money it is wrong. She can find employment like everybody she must not ask for charity. There many sikhs womens who become widowed and no one gives them any money to their children or anything. It is her being Russian taking advantage or exploiting poor sikh sangat people. In Russia no one collect money if any sikhs womens or mens in trouble. They don't feel proud of sikhs peoples there because they are from India. There also many peoples sikhs dying in punjab because they have no money. Some girls don't marry because they don't have much money for marriages. Their fathers can't find employment because they have problems.

Starting with truth, i didn't read your whole post but i got the general idea of your post. Nobody is forcing anyone to donate to certain type of folks but it is highly rude to say "Why she is asking for money". Well she didn't and it was Jagraj's friends who started the donation campaign (Please read by clicking on link).

Second blunt truth is that Preachers from India coming abroad is only for better lifestyle and make money BUT NOT for prachar. I am not putting all in this category but this is the way it is for majority of them. Both gurdwara management and preachers are equally to be blamed. While Jagraj's case is different as he left his good paying income to start something where there is literally no money at all. So point is that He geniunely did sewa for panth and panth needs to support them SO THAT his wife bibi sukhmani kaur can CONTINUE to spread-head the Basics of Sikhi organization.

Regarding the poor people around the world - You are talking to wrong folks. It is government's responsibility to help their own folks. If they don't then bring revolution.

I don't expect all people to support but at least try NOT TO criticize something that effected hundreds of thousands of folks. We are chardikala kaum not dehandi kala one.

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2 hours ago, jaspindjy said:

How much money do you want everyone to be donating to reach $270,000 sum, because there are also the channels that also asking for donations to do prachaar which is to reach many million peoples.  Mostly people don't normally ask for money from sangat when someone dies like raagi died in the gurdwara stage. His family didn't ask for money from others they too had three little children . His wife is asking for us to give her the money her parents and her inlaws will help her in these circumstances. I don't know why is she like a beggar asking us to pay we don't have more money. Can you tell everyone here why she is asking for money from everyone? There are many poor needy peoples all over the world, in punjab many poor peoples with no food or clothes also the gurdwara near them don't help them they turn to jesus for desperation. In England they have children benefits aslo  free schools free medical health too that's why no one dies of hunger it is wrong to ask for money from others if the government look after them if they poor without employment. She can too also work as there many single parents with children they work to feed them children also pay for everything for them. I don't feel good if people beg others to give money to them they must get job but not ask sikhs hard working ordinary people also it is not sikhi to beg. She can also find some employment like everybody else even if she now single parent . When he leave his first wife did the first wife ask for money from the sangat for her kid. What amount she had asked from the sangat? No one must ask for money it is wrong. She can find employment like everybody she must not ask for charity. There many sikhs womens who become widowed and no one gives them any money to their children or anything. It is her being Russian taking advantage or exploiting poor sikh sangat people. In Russia no one collect money if any sikhs womens or mens in trouble. They don't feel proud of sikhs peoples there because they are from India. There also many peoples sikhs dying in punjab because they have no money. Some girls don't marry because they don't have much money for marriages. Their fathers can't find employment because they have problems.

WaheGuriuJi Ka Khalsa, WaheGuru Ji Ke Fateh

Thank you Jaspindjy, you made me consult the Sikh Scriptures, the Ardas, Benti Chaupai and the answer came back

Siri Whahe Guru! those who were true to the Guru, who meditated on the Nam, who shared their earnings and sacrificed for righteousness; think of their deeds...

I do as the Ardas commands me, so I donated with a happy heart

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52 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

you don't have to give if you don't want to.

1. whatever he had moneywise, timewise he poured into SIkhi di Parchaar, She also suffered lean times too .

2. She has nothing in terms of money as Insurance was not there to cover , plus  she has only just given birth to a child not likely to be able to work to cover mortgage.

3. do you not think not supporting Guru ji's raagis , granthis, and sewadars is a sharam di gall for us all as sikhs ?

4. You assume that His folks will look after her ...these days not many look after their own blood .

5. problems of poverty and lack of help of sikhs is down to those who eat from golak rather than help those in need , catch hold of them because plenty of sikhs abroad collect and send money help via sikh organisations ...

 

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10 hours ago, jaspindjy said:

How much money do you want everyone to be donating to reach $270,000 sum, because there are also the channels that also asking for donations to do prachaar which is to reach many million peoples.  Mostly people don't normally ask for money from sangat when someone dies like raagi died in the gurdwara stage. His family didn't ask for money from others they too had three little children . His wife is asking for us to give her the money her parents and her inlaws will help her in these circumstances. I don't know why is she like a beggar asking us to pay we don't have more money. Can you tell everyone here why she is asking for money from everyone? There are many poor needy peoples all over the world, in punjab many poor peoples with no food or clothes also the gurdwara near them don't help them they turn to jesus for desperation. In England they have children benefits aslo  free schools free medical health too that's why no one dies of hunger it is wrong to ask for money from others if the government look after them if they poor without employment. She can too also work as there many single parents with children they work to feed them children also pay for everything for them. I don't feel good if people beg others to give money to them they must get job but not ask sikhs hard working ordinary people also it is not sikhi to beg. She can also find some employment like everybody else even if she now single parent . When he leave his first wife did the first wife ask for money from the sangat for her kid. What amount she had asked from the sangat? No one must ask for money it is wrong. She can find employment like everybody she must not ask for charity. There many sikhs womens who become widowed and no one gives them any money to their children or anything. It is her being Russian taking advantage or exploiting poor sikh sangat people. In Russia no one collect money if any sikhs womens or mens in trouble. They don't feel proud of sikhs peoples there because they are from India. There also many peoples sikhs dying in punjab because they have no money. Some girls don't marry because they don't have much money for marriages. Their fathers can't find employment because they have problems.

 

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..Just forget it!

:waheguru:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 8/13/2017 at 2:33 AM, Jacfsing2 said:

If you expect his family to support him, his brother is Hundal, and even when Bhai Jugraj Singh left the world, he made a post belittling him.

What, this really happened?! Sunny Hundal is a seriously messed up self-hating Islamophile coconut leftist, but in this he would truly outdo himself. I know that he hates his own Kaum with a passion, but not being able to even spare your own saka brother?? I can hardly believe it ... so, do you have a link, bro?

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1 hour ago, BhForce said:

What, this really happened?! Sunny Hundal is a seriously messed up self-hating Islamophile coconut leftist, but in this he would truly outdo himself. I know that he hates his own Kaum with a passion, but not being able to even spare your own saka brother?? I can hardly believe it ... so, do you have a link, bro?

https://m.facebook.com/notes/sunny-hundal/jagraj-singh-1979-2017-a-sikh-pioneer/1545328208870590/?__tn__=H-R

You have to read into it,

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in one of Bhai Singh Jio videos, he told about using ALL HIS FINANCES UNTIL HE HAD NO MORE TO SPREAD MESSAGE OF SIKHI.

Today, we complain about 10 percent that ACTUALLY IS GURU GOBIND SINGH JIO HUKAM AND MONEY, to care for a true Khalsa SINGHNI (no longer russian, as she has taken Khalsa amrit), and Khalsa's children?

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On 8/12/2017 at 7:28 PM, jaspindjy said:

How much money do you want everyone to be donating to reach $270,000 sum, because there are also the channels that also asking for donations to do prachaar which is to reach many million peoples.  Mostly people don't normally ask for money from sangat when someone dies like raagi died in the gurdwara stage. His family didn't ask for money from others they too had three little children . His wife is asking for us to give her the money her parents and her inlaws will help her in these circumstances. I don't know why is she like a beggar asking us to pay we don't have more money. Can you tell everyone here why she is asking for money from everyone? There are many poor needy peoples all over the world, in punjab many poor peoples with no food or clothes also the gurdwara near them don't help them they turn to jesus for desperation. In England they have children benefits aslo  free schools free medical health too that's why no one dies of hunger it is wrong to ask for money from others if the government look after them if they poor without employment. She can too also work as there many single parents with children they work to feed them children also pay for everything for them. I don't feel good if people beg others to give money to them they must get job but not ask sikhs hard working ordinary people also it is not sikhi to beg. She can also find some employment like everybody else even if she now single parent . When he leave his first wife did the first wife ask for money from the sangat for her kid. What amount she had asked from the sangat? No one must ask for money it is wrong. She can find employment like everybody she must not ask for charity. There many sikhs womens who become widowed and no one gives them any money to their children or anything. It is her being Russian taking advantage or exploiting poor sikh sangat people. In Russia no one collect money if any sikhs womens or mens in trouble. They don't feel proud of sikhs peoples there because they are from India. There also many peoples sikhs dying in punjab because they have no money. Some girls don't marry because they don't have much money for marriages. Their fathers can't find employment because they have problems.

Firstly, I wasted a few minutes reading your post, which unfortunately I'm not going to get back.

Secondly, why not help support our parcharaks and their families? Bhai Jugraj Singh Ji gave so much for parchar and the sangat, can we not even do this much? And his wife is running the Mighty Khala project as well. I ask you, is that not a worthy cause? 

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Jagraj wasn't your 'ahhm' parcharak. He boldly tackled issues in the UK that the average parcharakh would never dare to, lest they stood out from the crowd and lost even those few pennies that the Gurdwara committees contemptuously threw at them. 

Bhai Jagraj was of a different mold. He played his part in highlighting the grooming issue, and condemned those who washed their hands of this serious matter. He faced up to xtian and islamic parcharaks when all we usually ever get is mundane 'preaching to the converted' in Gurdwaras. 

He encouraged us to be truly weapons trained with modern firearms.

Importantly, he faced up to political realities of Sikhs in the UK, who have a habit of trusting authorities like gullible dimwitted (aka lulloo) children. He thought that the marches that take place in London were a waste of time (I feel the same way too). He faced up to scarcely touched historical truths of the anglo-Sikh relationship too and how it transformed Sikhi into 'Sikhism'  which weakened us. He told us how caste in-between us became solidified at this time too - due to Brit policies of divide and rule. He fearlessly faced up to the ugly truth about partition (and told the world how this event effected his own family as well as the wider Sikh world). He challenged the British collusion in 1984 via the SAS. He travelled the world preaching. With his brother being like he is (Sunny), he showed us that we can strive in our faith as individuals regardless of our siblings. He done all of this and MUCH MUCH more - and all in an articulate fashion without a whiff of penduism.

I remember that famous The Big Questions episode on the BBC where Bhai Jagraj was in the audience with another, much older (but apparently not wiser) chaaploose 'uncle' (Lalvani was his name - I think??). I think the way Jagraj confidently handled himself in stark contrast to the outsight sycophancy of the other Sikh man there perfectly exemplified his importance to me. I mean imagine Jagraj wasn't there! Imagine what weak, guileless, sycophantic stereotypical impression of Sikhs that uncle would have left on the minds of viewers.........

I agree that all quality, heart felt parchaar should be rewarded (but we should be careful of making this reward the objective of the paracharaks). But in this case given the groundbreaking, precedent setting nature of Bhai Jagraj's contribution, I'm not surprised that people feel he is especially worthy of attention - the least we can do is give his family a little hand-up for all he gave us - and when it was needed the most too. 

I thought I'd post this just to remind everyone how effective he was at conveying uncomfortable truths, even in difficult circumstances:

 

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20 minutes ago, jaspindjy said:

They need our help.

 

People like him also need help.

he the convert said that he chose to convert purely for ilaaj , which he could have gotten from free sikh doctor clinics and hospitals . He gave up his dharam because they told him Jesus healed him , big fat lie ... This kind of person would have become a muslim or a hindu too if they gave him money.

there is no cure for faithlessness ...

stupid panjabi folks believe in all manner of BS customs through their hindu neighbours influence, like jathera , kes nahin dhona veer vaar nu, nau nahin kuttne os din.... they fall at the feet of anyone who says they can give them guaranteed son, or tell fortune, Education doesn't even stop this mindset . All the punjabi pastors use GURBANI to illustrate concepts which they claim are in the BIBLE it's all lies ... they even do it on youtube but , you think that money is going to fix that ? 

SIKHI is going to fix that , Knowledge of Gurbani is going to fix, leaving victim/ghulam mentality is going to fix that and telling the jhutthi-chatt singers, politicians and leaders to take a flying leap is going to do that.

 like we said you don't have to give a penny because we already knew you were announcing your excuses.

 

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1 hour ago, jaspindjy said:

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/jagrajsinghsfamily

If that is what he wished to do that is his business not anyone else's.

We also give family daswanth from the little money we both earn with three kids under 6

No body told you to read. NOT A CAUSE FOR US AT ALL. I won't be donating one single CENT.

THIS IS A BIG CAUSE FOR THE KOM to help poor girls marriage they need our funding

 

ANOTHER BIG CAUSE THE POOR SIKHS OF PUNJAB NEED OUR FUNDING TO STOP THEM FROM CONVERSIONS

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nobody heals heart valve defects like that ...fitte muh drama baaz de aulad jaa ke chapard vich chaal maar. Navtoj Sidhu is Dhobhi da <banned word filter activated> - we know he altered Gurbani to promote himself and his party before , someone should have done good maalish sewa by now.

If people believed in sikhi properly no money would be needed to marry sons and daughters , no suicides would happen, Guru Pita ji said we are not to sell our children or buy them , any person asking for daaj is not his sikh, anyone who harasses the girl's family or her are not sikhs. Parchaar is the most needed thing on this planet.

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those sold to christianity are actually SOLD TO MAYA!

with regards to being too financially burdened to help Bibi Sukhmani Kaur and children charity, I give what I can afford, and each month my 10 percent, or what I can afford goes to different charities ji

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Gurmukho Jio_/\_,

Gurbani heals all and our every svaas is very precious so Vahiguroo Jio kirpa karin, we value Naam atey Gurbani ONLY jio_/\_.

No need to turn to anyone or anywhere when dukh or poverty in our lives. WITH REHIT DISCIPLINE, AND SIMPLE LIVING, we do not even have to do ardas for good health etc Guru Pyareo Jio_/\_.

Guru Gobind Singh Jio, Vahiguroo Jio bakshlei SAB SABNA NU, EH JANAM KHALSA (not Khalistan, as earth is ALREADY KHALISTAN CREATED BY VAHIGUROO, but all too focused on dukh, poverty etc. to not realise all is tests, game of Vahiguroo Jio to distract us)_/\_

hath jorr benti sabna paviterr charan bhul chuk muaf jio_/\_

 

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    • What was their run in over? A lot of the ISYF guys are khalistan lifers bro, sure some were snakes, but a lot still haven't turned their backs on it. Bains idk, he was briefly giving Badal a chance but cut him out very quick. I'd say he went neutral, rather pro-govt. Chauhan, Sohan and all them, still trying to learn more about them.  Very true. If they willed, they could set up Punjab, but why would they? I wouldn't be surprised if the fed govt already is waiting for agriculture to fail, and have a back up planned. They're too smart to remain dependant on Sikhs/Punjab. 
    • It sounds like you have issues with your situation that are being played out vicariously through your daughter.. The issue seems to be one between you and your relationship with your husband.. I think in this situation and to make sense of it,  it is worth disregarding the fact you are both amritdhari. You start by saying he is a angry man, and that you to get angry.. You also say that your daughter gets a lot of love.. It sounds very much like you feel that you have no control over your environment and are a passive player.. And hence the one thing you do have immutable influence over ie. Your daughter has become the battle ground...  Fundamentally it sounds like you're husband is not fulfilling his duties by raising his hand to your dastar he has committed a heinous act of violence..  You don't actually say anything bad about your mother in law so whilst she is not reprimanding your husband may be she is indirectly trying to express her love via your daughter.  You have no reason to feel guilty about your actions sounds like you are frustrated and upset and that needs to be addressed.. You need to speak to people around you not just your husband but may be your mother in law.. And share with her your feelings of powerlessness..  You may already have done some of these things but reading between the lines of what you have written fundamentally it seems like you are unhappy with your husbands behaviour..  Please forgive me if I have misunderstood  Good luck sister  SSA 
    • If you ask me, it's a declaration of war for someone to be pulling a Dastar, I wouldn't ever even tell Non-Sikhs to take off their religious objects; however, an Amritdhari telling another Amritdhari not to wear Dastar is what I'd consider an impossible situation. If you agree with the husband's actions, (which you said previously you don't), then I'd understand where you are coming from.   You seem to have some idealised worldview where every old person is some Mahapurukh, reality-check that's not the case at all, you may be blessed to have a Mahapurukh family, or you may not, the key is each individual case is different, if I heard that any of my female relatives were being insulted openly by some of their in-laws, I'd recommend the same. I haven't insulted any line of any shabad or your interpretation of the Shabad; however, you have to read the entire Shabad to grasp the full-meaning. But even what you are referring to is qualities of ancestors, not the ancestors themselves. Never claimed that. . They were Sikh sakhis, Modern Hinduism was only made when the Indo-Aryans and the Dravidians conquered the Adivasi population. Sikhi has existed since beginning of time. For the sake of keeping the topic at hand relevant, and since I respect you enough not to argue on something like this, I won't discuss more on whether the Sakhis are Hindu or Sikh. Ajamal was a Sikh, and the purpose of the Sakhi is to tell future Sikhs not to be going to prostitutes like Ganika. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji even prevented from whom if I remember correctly Bhai Joga Singh from going to prostitutes. (If this wrong, you have every right to correct me). Never did and Hopefully with his grace, never will. 
    • Well, if it's impossible, sure. But note that the the impossibility stems from krodh (anger) and haumai (ego) all around. Yet the same anger and ego that makes it impossible for a nuclear family to live with dadi also makes it impossible for husband and wife to live together, and then when the wife splits off, for the children to live with the mother and they will want to be legally emancipated because it's "impossbile". What we end up with is simply the same thing as the 21st century Leftist West: Do whatever you want to do. Which is another name for manmat: Doing what your mann wants. Seriously, bro? The tuk is Guru Sahib's, not mine. You are effectively questioning Gurbani. In any case, the point is not necessarily dadi recounting "we used to idol-worship Shiva back in the day", but all manner of things that your ancestors did: Some examples: how we cultivated the jungle region of Pakistan, the pain of partition, how people used to live simply, how we lost our business due to inability to pay back a loan and we had to struggle for 2 decades to get back on our feet,  how your grandfather's brother was born genetically deformed and how he had to help him all his life, how the servant was so poor she could not marry her daughter so we helped her out, etc, etc. Bro, dharam is not the same thing as getting up and doing Japji Sahib and wearing 5 kakkars (though that's required for us indeed). Dharam is not something that didn't exist before Guru Nanak Dev ji, and just came into existence when Guru Sahib was born, or started parchar. Dharam is something greater, and older. Read this tuk: ਸੁਣਿ ਸਾਖੀ ਮਨ ਜਪਿ ਪਿਆਰ ॥ Listen to the stories of the devotees, O my mind, and meditate with love. Now a question for you: Do you think the sakhis that Guru sahib says to listen to are "Sikh" sakhis or "Hindu" sakhis. Don't look ahead and cheat!!       ---- Answer: "Hindu" sakhis:   ਬਸੰਤੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੧ ਦੁਤੁਕੀਆ Basant, Fifth Mohalla, First House, Du-Tukee: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਸੁਣਿ ਸਾਖੀ ਮਨ ਜਪਿ ਪਿਆਰ ॥ Listen to the stories of the devotees, O my mind, and meditate with love. ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਉਧਰਿਆ ਕਹਿ ਏਕ ਬਾਰ ॥ Ajaamal uttered the Lord's Name once, and was saved. ਬਾਲਮੀਕੈ ਹੋਆ ਸਾਧਸੰਗੁ ॥ Baalmeek found the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ਧ੍ਰੂ ਕਉ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਸੰਗ ॥੧॥ The Lord definitely met Dhroo. ||1|| ਤੇਰਿਆ ਸੰਤਾ ਜਾਚਉ ਚਰਨ ਰੇਨ ॥ I beg for the dust of the feet of Your Saints. ਲੇ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਾਵਉ ਕਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਦੇਨ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Please bless me with Your Mercy, Lord, that I may apply it to my forehead. ||1||Pause|| ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਕਹੈ ਤੋਤ ॥ Ganika the prostitute was saved, when her parrot uttered the Lord's Name. ਗਜਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਧਿਆਇਓ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਮੋਖ ॥ The elephant meditated on the Lord, and was saved. ਬਿਪ੍ਰ ਸੁਦਾਮੇ ਦਾਲਦੁ ਭੰਜ ॥ He delivered the poor Brahmin Sudama out of poverty. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਭਜੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ॥੨॥ O my mind, you too must meditate and vibrate on the Lord of the Universe. ||2|| ਬਧਿਕੁ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਖਮਿ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰ ॥ Even the hunter who shot an arrow at Krishna was saved. ਕੁਬਿਜਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਅੰਗੁਸਟ ਧਾਰ ॥ Kubija the hunchback was saved, when God placed His Feet on her thumb. ਬਿਦਰੁ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਦਾਸਤ ਭਾਇ ॥ Bidar was saved by his attitude of humility. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥੩॥ O my mind, you too must meditate on the Lord. ||3|| ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਰਖੀ ਹਰਿ ਪੈਜ ਆਪ ॥ The Lord Himself saved the honor of Prahlaad. ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਛੀਨਤ ਦ੍ਰੋਪਤੀ ਰਖੀ ਲਾਜ ॥ Even when she was being disrobed in court, Dropatee's honor was preserved. ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਅੰਤ ਬਾਰ ॥ Those who have served the Lord, even at the very last instant of their lives, are saved. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਸੇਵਿ ਤੂ ਪਰਹਿ ਪਾਰ ॥੪॥ O my mind, serve Him, and you shall be carried across to the other side. ||4|| ਧੰਨੈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਬਾਲ ਬੁਧਿ ॥ Dhanna served the Lord, with the innocence of a child. ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਭਈ ਸਿਧਿ ॥ Meeting with the Guru, Trilochan attained the perfection of the Siddhas. ਬੇਣੀ ਕਉ ਗੁਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ ॥ The Guru blessed Baynee with His Divine Illumination. ਰੇ ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਹੋਹਿ ਦਾਸੁ ॥੫॥ O my mind, you too must be the Lord's slave. ||5|| ਜੈਦੇਵ ਤਿਆਗਿਓ ਅਹੰਮੇਵ ॥ Jai Dayv gave up his egotism. ਨਾਈ ਉਧਰਿਓ ਸੈਨੁ ਸੇਵ ॥ Sain the barber was saved through his selfless service. ਮਨੁ ਡੀਗਿ ਨ ਡੋਲੈ ਕਹੂੰ ਜਾਇ ॥ Do not let your mind waver or wander; do not let it go anywhere. ਮਨ ਤੂ ਭੀ ਤਰਸਹਿ ਸਰਣਿ ਪਾਇ ॥੬॥ O my mind, you too shall cross over; seek the Sanctuary of God. ||6||\ ਜਿਹ ਅਨੁਗ੍ਰਹੁ ਠਾਕੁਰਿ ਕੀਓ ਆਪਿ ॥ O my Lord and Master, You have shown Your Mercy to them. ਸੇ ਤੈਂ ਲੀਨੇ ਭਗਤ ਰਾਖਿ ॥ You saved those devotees. ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਗੁਣੁ ਅਵਗਣੁ ਨ ਬੀਚਾਰਿਓ ਕੋਇ ॥ You do not take their merits and demerits into account. ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਦੇਖਿ ਮਨੁ ਲਗਾ ਸੇਵ ॥੭॥ Seeing these ways of Yours, I have dedicated my mind to Your service. ||7|| ਕਬੀਰਿ ਧਿਆਇਓ ਏਕ ਰੰਗ ॥ Kabeer meditated on the One Lord with love. ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਬਸਹਿ ਸੰਗਿ ॥ Naam Dayv lived with the Dear Lord. ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਧਿਆਏ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਨੂਪ ॥ Ravi Daas meditated on God, the Incomparably Beautiful. ਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਰੂਪ ॥੮॥੧॥ Guru Nanak Dayv is the Embodiment of the Lord of the Universe. ||8||1||   ਬਸੰਤੁ (ਮਃ ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੧੧੯੨    Was Ajamal a "Hindu" or a "Sikh"? Why did Guru Sahib tell us to remember his sakhI? Please answer these two questions. Don't doubt Guru Sahib. He is Satguru, we are followers. Note for Hinduphobes: If you read the entire shabad, Guru Arjan Dev ji lists all the "Hindu" personalities that we should remember, but at the very end says Guru Nanak Dev ji is the very form of God. Meaning that the Avatars (Ram Chander, Krishan Bhagvan, etc.) had some level of powers from God, but they were not God. Not so for Guru Nanak Dev ji.
    • anyone watch these 2 documentaries that were made? if so whats your thoughts?