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43 minutes ago, BhForce said:

You. You said he is chaning maryada. You just praised him for banning Kirpans in his divans in your post above.

By definition, that's changing maryada. Let me spell it out for you:

1. Guru Gobind Singh ji created the original maryada, telling Sikhs to not show up to the Darbar without Teg (kirpan).

2. Sant Dhadrianwale (by your admission) banned Kirpans from his divans.

When you go from #1 to #2, that's a change (in Maryada).

I haven't said a thing in this thread about his parchar. I did say that no matter how big of a Sant he is, he does not have the right to change maryada. Do you disagree? (I.e., do you think he is so big, he can change the Guru's maryada?)

You can't both praise him for banning Kirpans, and also say he didn't change maryada.

Sant Ji never banned kirpans that is absurd. One does not have to carry a three foot sri sahib to satisfy maryada. A six inch or even twelve inch kirpan is perfectly fine. Given the completely unwarranted attempt on his life by supposed brothers in Sikhi, I think it was fair to ask that they be under a certain size. A three foot sword has a place and time and listening to katha I don't think it's required. A smaller kirpan is fine. That is not changing maryada. That is asking sangat to follow a safety protocol while still obeying Gurus maryada. Big difference. 

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9 hours ago, BhForce said:

First of all, let me condemn all of these killings and so forth.

He can be cautious all he wants, that's his prerogative. He can walk around (or sit on the stage) with bodyguards like Floyd Mayweather does:

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The bodyguards can be armed to the hilt, with AK-47s, AR-15s, rocket launchers, whatever. Sant Dhadrianwale can sit with a bullet-proof vest, or even behind bullet-proof glass, like the President of the United States:

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But he does not have the right to change the maryada of Gurughar. He cannot ban a kirpan. He cannot ban the thing that Guru Sahib says that, without it, do not come to see the Guru:

ਬਿਨਾ ਤੇਗ ਕੇਸੰ ਦੇਵਹੁ ਨ ਦੀਦਾਰੇ|

He is not Guru, only a Sant. A Sant only has the right to preach the maryada of Guru, not to change it. Let's leave aside the fact that a true Sant wouldn't be afraid of death.

The death that he thinks he is protecting himself from can come at anytime. It can come from someone (without a big kirpan) who is just bending down to give "bheta" on stage. It is not necessarily going to come from a big kirpan. 

I do not think he is going to be killed, nor even attempted to be killed, either by a big kirpan, little one, or anything else. But by changing the maryada of Gurughar, he has done a great wrong.

To answer your question, I have not done anything for the Panth other than post on Internet messageboards. But that still does not give Sant Dhadrianwale to change the maryada of Sikhi.

Hello there!? 

DHUMMA IS THE ONE CHANGING AKAL TAKHT PANTHIC MARYADA. SANT JI NEVER DID. HE HAS GONE AGAINST SANT JIS TEACHINGS. SANT WENT AT AKAL TAKHT WITH NOOOO CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES. 

NOBODY AT MEHTA DOES DASAM GRANTH AKHAND PAATH SO THE NEW TAKSALIS ARE CHANGING TAKSAL MARYADA.

SANT JI GAVE SHAHEEDI. NOT BECAME THE SINNER WHO KILLS THE SHAHHEDS! DHUMMA CHANGED THE USAGE OF SHASHTARS.

WHEN WILL ANJAAN PEOPLE EVER OPEN THEIR EYES. YOU ARE BLINDED BY DHUMMA. 

TAKSAL FANS DHUMMA GROUP NEED TO STOP DOING THESE PUBLICITY STUNTS. GOD HELP YOU. 

DHADRIANWALE HAVE NEVER MISLED OR TWISTED GURBANI UNLIKE TAKSAL. DHUMMA IS CLUELESS. HE FOLLOWS HINDU RITUALS. TAKSAL WAS ONCE SO MAHAAN THE WHOLE PANTH LOOKED UP TO IT. ONE PERSON ONE UGLY SOUL HAS RUINED IT ALL. I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE CRY ELDERLY BAJURAG SINGHS CRY AT WHAT WE HAVE LOST. TAKSAL WAS A GEM. DHADRIANWALE DO SO MUCH PYAAR TO BHINDRANWALE LISTEN TO THE KATHA CLIPS. TAKSAL WILL NEVER BE THE SANE AGAIN DHUMMA HAS STAINED IT. WE OWE OUR LIVES OUR BREATH TO BHINDRANWALE BUT EVEN A MONA, ATHEIST, DOG WILL NOW HAVE MORE RESPECT THAN TODAYS CORRUPT LEADER AT MEHTA. IT IS IN GODS HANDS. SHOW US LIGHT MAHARAJ. HOW LONG WILL WE SUFFER FROM DHUMMA? 

 

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A long response to everyones comments above

You are a puppet my friend.- We all are puppets of someone, very fortunate if a puppet of guru maharaj. Guru maharaj is a puppet of the hukam of vaheguru. Sri guru teg bahadur maharaj accepted hukam when he gave his head and so did guru arjun dev maharaj.

one man does not a taksal make , simple enough to understand . yet it only takes one to drag its izzat through the mud-

I think you are mistaken veer ji. Guru gobind singh ji maharaj has made the taksal and started it. Every sikh in taksal from baba deep singh ji until now, all their shaheedis, sacrifices, baba deep singh jis shaheedi, singhs shaheedi, their kurbanis, their fight to grow sikhi in kaljug, all of mukhis till now, who have made others amritdhari sikhs who keep rehat, who killed nindeks and beadbis karan wale of sri guru granth sahib ji maharaj, the pure sikhs of guru gobind singh maharaj; then how can we challenge its izzat. Taksal's izaat is guru sahibs izzat. Guru sahibs maintains its izzat as he pleases. This guru sahibs taksal, guru sahib does as he pleases. And I think you are wrong about sant baba harnam singh ji dhumma.

can we have more info on this? regarding the taking off of kirpans,

- he made sangat in america take off large kirpans or shashtars in fear of his life and allowed only small ones.

what is the point in building the yaadgaar if he is going to oppose sant jis teachings. A picture of sant does not make up for going against sant jis teachings. Sant ji promoted gurbani and truth. Sant ji were one of their kind! Sant ji NEVER sucked up to politics. Also yes at that point dhumma gained respect for the yadgar however his following actions have destroyed anything he has ever done. He may aswell have not built it. Nothing can make up for killing gursikhs. The real gursikhs on maharajs path. The true yadgar is inside us. Forget who is missionary or taksali. What does it even mean to be taksali anymore? A killer? A murderer?

-Which teachings did he go against, I am curious? About the killing of gursikhs or bhai Bhupinder Singh who was shot last year. The attack on dhadrianwale happened recently after one of his diwans in which he, called sant baba harnam singh a sarkari sant 

“I DON’T FEAR A SARKARI SANT LIKE YOU!” - MESSAGE TO DHUMMA FROM BHAI RANJIT SINGH KHALSA DHADRIANWALE (ਸਰਕਾਰੀ ਸੰਤ ਧੂੰਮਾ) -the caption for the video on youtube

These 10 mintues is just ninda and lies labelled as "parchar" in tabia of guru granth sahib which I will adress.. He captioned it that “I DON’T FEAR A SARKARI SANT LIKE YOU!” but then one night taksali singhs showed up when he was coming back at night. The singh's plan was not to kill dhadrianwale, but to drag him out of the car and make him apologize on video for spewing lies ( which I will adress). In fact, they dragged him out of the car until one other guy sitting in the backseats of the car in panic shot a bullet not knowing what happens next. The bullet traveled through the back of the seat and hit bhupinder singh.Image result for dhadrianwale shooting

The bullet hole is in the back of his head, and the blood is all on the back of his clothes.

The singhs also fired back in self defence but did not hit anyone but damaged the car with bullet holes. Dhadrianwale who was dragged outside of the car ran for his life, peeing and pooing literraly for some kilometers before hiding and trembling until police came to his rescue. It sure looked like he was "fearing a sarkari sant'" like Baba harnam singh. However, baba harnam singh did not give order to singhs to go out and do this. In fact, the singhs went out on their own without baba ji; knowing. Baba ji had to take responsibility however, as the singhs were under taksal name and could not deny that the singhs had " a hand in the attack." But they were not responsible for the causalties.

Lies in the video above (some of the many)- Baba harnam singh has no government bodyguards or government jeeps but dhadrian wale says he does. Accused baba ji of not doing parchar and leaving a stain on sant baba jarnail singh ji''s dastar. However, baba ji does katha often, and doesn't do ninda or lies, unlike dhadrianwale who in guru sahibs presence, on a higher seat than sangat does. Also why does he tie so many different color dastars.

Sant baba thakur singh jis bachan was that those singhs who stay at mehta would be in chardikala, yet surprisingly everyones against mehta taksal. I think time will unravel the truth.

Time has changed and people will no longer take that as an answer. Baba thakur singh also said bhindranwale are in chardikala. 

-Regarding the whole chardikala thing, that is a whole other post, not here which I will make soon.

Even if he did make sangat take off 'bigger shaster'....fair play to him for taking a stand. You expect him to not be cautious after his own 'Sikh' brothers trying to kill him? P.s can you tell me 1 thing you have done for the panth

- Doing parchar is no joke. Sitting on a higher level than sangat in guru sahibs presence should make one very wary with their words. Sant baba kartar singh ji would say that if one sits on the stage to do parchar he should be willing to give his head and should not be afraid of doing so. Why would dhadrianwale be "cautious" if sitting in the presence of guru granth sahib. Guru sahib is the ultimate supreme.

ਜਉ ਤਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਖੇਲਣ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥

If you desire to play this game of love with Me,

ਸਿਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਤਲੀ ਗਲੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਉ ॥

Then step onto My Path with your head in hand.

ਇਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪੈਰੁ ਧਰੀਜੈ ॥

When you place your feet on this Path,

ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੦॥

Give Me your head, and do not pay any attention to public opinion. ||20||

I think dhadrianwale is not playing the game guru sahib mentions here but baba harnam singh does. Especially since public opinion is against him. 

 Also 1 thing I did for the panth.

1- I took amrit. If you cannot understand I can try to explain. When you take amrit panj singhs ask you to take the vow that if in time of need will you give your head for the panth before going any further. That in my opinion is a big thing. However if in fact that blessed time does come, I hope maharaj will do kirpa to put shaheedi. 

2- I do kirtan

3- I teach maharni to family cousins and brothers and give them santhiya. Something Taksal has always excelled in.

P.S - Ninda of anyone is never good. Sant jarnail singh never adressed indhira gandhi disrespectfuly and did bachan in his speech that if anyone can find evidence of him assaulting someone with their words they would cut off and give their head to them. 

Also regarding Sant harnam singh and government "alliances". The need for the political power was crucial to construct shaheedi yadgarh, and more recently the shaheedi gallery. No one in the past 30 years was able to do these sewas at darbar sahib, the heart of sikhi, where it should rightfully be. Sant baba harnam singh said the he would clean the sewers of the badals if he had to if it meant this sewa would be complete.  It is sad to see how baba gurbaksh singh shaheed and baba deep singh shaheed have just small nishan sahib as a memorial. Also no one provided sewa for constructing more gurduwaras, such as the janam asthan of sant baba jarnail singh khalsa, and etc.

Also, have any people who think not in favor of baba harnam singh has ever met him in person or the singhs he keeps close with him. Chardikala. There is an aura around baba harnam singh if you ever go in person.

I tried to keep responses short and I am sorry if I angered anyone, or if you do not believe me,then again it is kalyjug.

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On 28/07/2017 at 8:57 AM, Guest singh said:

A long response to everyones comments above

You are a puppet my friend.- We all are puppets of someone, very fortunate if a puppet of guru maharaj. Guru maharaj is a puppet of the hukam of vaheguru. Sri guru teg bahadur maharaj accepted hukam when he gave his head and so did guru arjun dev maharaj.

one man does not a taksal make , simple enough to understand . yet it only takes one to drag its izzat through the mud-

I think you are mistaken veer ji. Guru gobind singh ji maharaj has made the taksal and started it. Every sikh in taksal from baba deep singh ji until now, all their shaheedis, sacrifices, baba deep singh jis shaheedi, singhs shaheedi, their kurbanis, their fight to grow sikhi in kaljug, all of mukhis till now, who have made others amritdhari sikhs who keep rehat, who killed nindeks and beadbis karan wale of sri guru granth sahib ji maharaj, the pure sikhs of guru gobind singh maharaj; then how can we challenge its izzat. Taksal's izaat is guru sahibs izzat. Guru sahibs maintains its izzat as he pleases. This guru sahibs taksal, guru sahib does as he pleases. And I think you are wrong about sant baba harnam singh ji dhumma.

can we have more info on this? regarding the taking off of kirpans,

- he made sangat in america take off large kirpans or shashtars in fear of his life and allowed only small ones.

what is the point in building the yaadgaar if he is going to oppose sant jis teachings. A picture of sant does not make up for going against sant jis teachings. Sant ji promoted gurbani and truth. Sant ji were one of their kind! Sant ji NEVER sucked up to politics. Also yes at that point dhumma gained respect for the yadgar however his following actions have destroyed anything he has ever done. He may aswell have not built it. Nothing can make up for killing gursikhs. The real gursikhs on maharajs path. The true yadgar is inside us. Forget who is missionary or taksali. What does it even mean to be taksali anymore? A killer? A murderer?

-Which teachings did he go against, I am curious? About the killing of gursikhs or bhai Bhupinder Singh who was shot last year. The attack on dhadrianwale happened recently after one of his diwans in which he, called sant baba harnam singh a sarkari sant 

“I DON’T FEAR A SARKARI SANT LIKE YOU!” - MESSAGE TO DHUMMA FROM BHAI RANJIT SINGH KHALSA DHADRIANWALE (ਸਰਕਾਰੀ ਸੰਤ ਧੂੰਮਾ) -the caption for the video on youtube

These 10 mintues is just ninda and lies labelled as "parchar" in tabia of guru granth sahib which I will adress.. He captioned it that “I DON’T FEAR A SARKARI SANT LIKE YOU!” but then one night taksali singhs showed up when he was coming back at night. The singh's plan was not to kill dhadrianwale, but to drag him out of the car and make him apologize on video for spewing lies ( which I will adress). In fact, they dragged him out of the car until one other guy sitting in the backseats of the car in panic shot a bullet not knowing what happens next. The bullet traveled through the back of the seat and hit bhupinder singh.Image result for dhadrianwale shooting

The bullet hole is in the back of his head, and the blood is all on the back of his clothes.

The singhs also fired back in self defence but did not hit anyone but damaged the car with bullet holes. Dhadrianwale who was dragged outside of the car ran for his life, peeing and pooing literraly for some kilometers before hiding and trembling until police came to his rescue. It sure looked like he was "fearing a sarkari sant'" like Baba harnam singh. However, baba harnam singh did not give order to singhs to go out and do this. In fact, the singhs went out on their own without baba ji; knowing. Baba ji had to take responsibility however, as the singhs were under taksal name and could not deny that the singhs had " a hand in the attack." But they were not responsible for the causalties.

Lies in the video above (some of the many)- Baba harnam singh has no government bodyguards or government jeeps but dhadrian wale says he does. Accused baba ji of not doing parchar and leaving a stain on sant baba jarnail singh ji''s dastar. However, baba ji does katha often, and doesn't do ninda or lies, unlike dhadrianwale who in guru sahibs presence, on a higher seat than sangat does. Also why does he tie so many different color dastars.

Sant baba thakur singh jis bachan was that those singhs who stay at mehta would be in chardikala, yet surprisingly everyones against mehta taksal. I think time will unravel the truth.

Time has changed and people will no longer take that as an answer. Baba thakur singh also said bhindranwale are in chardikala. 

-Regarding the whole chardikala thing, that is a whole other post, not here which I will make soon.

Even if he did make sangat take off 'bigger shaster'....fair play to him for taking a stand. You expect him to not be cautious after his own 'Sikh' brothers trying to kill him? P.s can you tell me 1 thing you have done for the panth

- Doing parchar is no joke. Sitting on a higher level than sangat in guru sahibs presence should make one very wary with their words. Sant baba kartar singh ji would say that if one sits on the stage to do parchar he should be willing to give his head and should not be afraid of doing so. Why would dhadrianwale be "cautious" if sitting in the presence of guru granth sahib. Guru sahib is the ultimate supreme.

ਜਉ ਤਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਖੇਲਣ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥

If you desire to play this game of love with Me,

ਸਿਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਤਲੀ ਗਲੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਉ ॥

Then step onto My Path with your head in hand.

ਇਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪੈਰੁ ਧਰੀਜੈ ॥

When you place your feet on this Path,

ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੦॥

Give Me your head, and do not pay any attention to public opinion. ||20||

I think dhadrianwale is not playing the game guru sahib mentions here but baba harnam singh does. Especially since public opinion is against him. 

 Also 1 thing I did for the panth.

1- I took amrit. If you cannot understand I can try to explain. When you take amrit panj singhs ask you to take the vow that if in time of need will you give your head for the panth before going any further. That in my opinion is a big thing. However if in fact that blessed time does come, I hope maharaj will do kirpa to put shaheedi. 

2- I do kirtan

3- I teach maharni to family cousins and brothers and give them santhiya. Something Taksal has always excelled in.

P.S - Ninda of anyone is never good. Sant jarnail singh never adressed indhira gandhi disrespectfuly and did bachan in his speech that if anyone can find evidence of him assaulting someone with their words they would cut off and give their head to them. 

Also regarding Sant harnam singh and government "alliances". The need for the political power was crucial to construct shaheedi yadgarh, and more recently the shaheedi gallery. No one in the past 30 years was able to do these sewas at darbar sahib, the heart of sikhi, where it should rightfully be. Sant baba harnam singh said the he would clean the sewers of the badals if he had to if it meant this sewa would be complete.  It is sad to see how baba gurbaksh singh shaheed and baba deep singh shaheed have just small nishan sahib as a memorial. Also no one provided sewa for constructing more gurduwaras, such as the janam asthan of sant baba jarnail singh khalsa, and etc.

Also, have any people who think not in favor of baba harnam singh has ever met him in person or the singhs he keeps close with him. Chardikala. There is an aura around baba harnam singh if you ever go in person.

I tried to keep responses short and I am sorry if I angered anyone, or if you do not believe me,then again it is kalyjug.

Alot of ego above there my friend...I took amrit, I do kirtan....I did this. 

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1 hour ago, singhunit said:

Alot of ego above there my friend...I took amrit, I do kirtan....I did this. 

plus he misunderstood my point , Akal Purakh made the Taksal for Humanity not one man to attach his haumai to. Dhumma should have choked on his assertion that what Guru Pita ji made is wholly tied to him, that an attack on his own anti-gurmat stance(acting like a gopher for Badal/GOI) is an attack on the Taksal. I look at the previous Jathedars' kirdaar and history and listen to the later ones katha and come away thinking how on Waheguru ji's great and Good Earth did this guy pass muster, where is his contributions to parchaar lehar? What has he done so far to progress sikhi ? and nothing notable has come to mind . 

The Taksal like the Akal Takht is above humans , we serve the institutions and the panth, not the other way round.

 

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On 7/28/2017 at 0:57 AM, Guest singh said:

A long response to everyones comments above

You are a puppet my friend.- We all are puppets of someone, very fortunate if a puppet of guru maharaj. Guru maharaj is a puppet of the hukam of vaheguru. Sri guru teg bahadur maharaj accepted hukam when he gave his head and so did guru arjun dev maharaj.

one man does not a taksal make , simple enough to understand . yet it only takes one to drag its izzat through the mud-

I think you are mistaken veer ji. Guru gobind singh ji maharaj has made the taksal and started it. Every sikh in taksal from baba deep singh ji until now, all their shaheedis, sacrifices, baba deep singh jis shaheedi, singhs shaheedi, their kurbanis, their fight to grow sikhi in kaljug, all of mukhis till now, who have made others amritdhari sikhs who keep rehat, who killed nindeks and beadbis karan wale of sri guru granth sahib ji maharaj, the pure sikhs of guru gobind singh maharaj; then how can we challenge its izzat. Taksal's izaat is guru sahibs izzat. Guru sahibs maintains its izzat as he pleases. This guru sahibs taksal, guru sahib does as he pleases. And I think you are wrong about sant baba harnam singh ji dhumma.

can we have more info on this? regarding the taking off of kirpans,

- he made sangat in america take off large kirpans or shashtars in fear of his life and allowed only small ones.

what is the point in building the yaadgaar if he is going to oppose sant jis teachings. A picture of sant does not make up for going against sant jis teachings. Sant ji promoted gurbani and truth. Sant ji were one of their kind! Sant ji NEVER sucked up to politics. Also yes at that point dhumma gained respect for the yadgar however his following actions have destroyed anything he has ever done. He may aswell have not built it. Nothing can make up for killing gursikhs. The real gursikhs on maharajs path. The true yadgar is inside us. Forget who is missionary or taksali. What does it even mean to be taksali anymore? A killer? A murderer?

-Which teachings did he go against, I am curious? About the killing of gursikhs or bhai Bhupinder Singh who was shot last year. The attack on dhadrianwale happened recently after one of his diwans in which he, called sant baba harnam singh a sarkari sant 

“I DON’T FEAR A SARKARI SANT LIKE YOU!” - MESSAGE TO DHUMMA FROM BHAI RANJIT SINGH KHALSA DHADRIANWALE (ਸਰਕਾਰੀ ਸੰਤ ਧੂੰਮਾ) -the caption for the video on youtube

These 10 mintues is just ninda and lies labelled as "parchar" in tabia of guru granth sahib which I will adress.. He captioned it that “I DON’T FEAR A SARKARI SANT LIKE YOU!” but then one night taksali singhs showed up when he was coming back at night. The singh's plan was not to kill dhadrianwale, but to drag him out of the car and make him apologize on video for spewing lies ( which I will adress). In fact, they dragged him out of the car until one other guy sitting in the backseats of the car in panic shot a bullet not knowing what happens next. The bullet traveled through the back of the seat and hit bhupinder singh.Image result for dhadrianwale shooting

The bullet hole is in the back of his head, and the blood is all on the back of his clothes.

The singhs also fired back in self defence but did not hit anyone but damaged the car with bullet holes. Dhadrianwale who was dragged outside of the car ran for his life, peeing and pooing literraly for some kilometers before hiding and trembling until police came to his rescue. It sure looked like he was "fearing a sarkari sant'" like Baba harnam singh. However, baba harnam singh did not give order to singhs to go out and do this. In fact, the singhs went out on their own without baba ji; knowing. Baba ji had to take responsibility however, as the singhs were under taksal name and could not deny that the singhs had " a hand in the attack." But they were not responsible for the causalties.

Lies in the video above (some of the many)- Baba harnam singh has no government bodyguards or government jeeps but dhadrian wale says he does. Accused baba ji of not doing parchar and leaving a stain on sant baba jarnail singh ji''s dastar. However, baba ji does katha often, and doesn't do ninda or lies, unlike dhadrianwale who in guru sahibs presence, on a higher seat than sangat does. Also why does he tie so many different color dastars.

Sant baba thakur singh jis bachan was that those singhs who stay at mehta would be in chardikala, yet surprisingly everyones against mehta taksal. I think time will unravel the truth.

Time has changed and people will no longer take that as an answer. Baba thakur singh also said bhindranwale are in chardikala. 

-Regarding the whole chardikala thing, that is a whole other post, not here which I will make soon.

Even if he did make sangat take off 'bigger shaster'....fair play to him for taking a stand. You expect him to not be cautious after his own 'Sikh' brothers trying to kill him? P.s can you tell me 1 thing you have done for the panth

- Doing parchar is no joke. Sitting on a higher level than sangat in guru sahibs presence should make one very wary with their words. Sant baba kartar singh ji would say that if one sits on the stage to do parchar he should be willing to give his head and should not be afraid of doing so. Why would dhadrianwale be "cautious" if sitting in the presence of guru granth sahib. Guru sahib is the ultimate supreme.

ਜਉ ਤਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਖੇਲਣ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥

If you desire to play this game of love with Me,

ਸਿਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਤਲੀ ਗਲੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਉ ॥

Then step onto My Path with your head in hand.

ਇਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪੈਰੁ ਧਰੀਜੈ ॥

When you place your feet on this Path,

ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੦॥

Give Me your head, and do not pay any attention to public opinion. ||20||

I think dhadrianwale is not playing the game guru sahib mentions here but baba harnam singh does. Especially since public opinion is against him. 

 Also 1 thing I did for the panth.

1- I took amrit. If you cannot understand I can try to explain. When you take amrit panj singhs ask you to take the vow that if in time of need will you give your head for the panth before going any further. That in my opinion is a big thing. However if in fact that blessed time does come, I hope maharaj will do kirpa to put shaheedi. 

2- I do kirtan

3- I teach maharni to family cousins and brothers and give them santhiya. Something Taksal has always excelled in.

P.S - Ninda of anyone is never good. Sant jarnail singh never adressed indhira gandhi disrespectfuly and did bachan in his speech that if anyone can find evidence of him assaulting someone with their words they would cut off and give their head to them. 

Also regarding Sant harnam singh and government "alliances". The need for the political power was crucial to construct shaheedi yadgarh, and more recently the shaheedi gallery. No one in the past 30 years was able to do these sewas at darbar sahib, the heart of sikhi, where it should rightfully be. Sant baba harnam singh said the he would clean the sewers of the badals if he had to if it meant this sewa would be complete.  It is sad to see how baba gurbaksh singh shaheed and baba deep singh shaheed have just small nishan sahib as a memorial. Also no one provided sewa for constructing more gurduwaras, such as the janam asthan of sant baba jarnail singh khalsa, and etc.

Also, have any people who think not in favor of baba harnam singh has ever met him in person or the singhs he keeps close with him. Chardikala. There is an aura around baba harnam singh if you ever go in person.

I tried to keep responses short and I am sorry if I angered anyone, or if you do not believe me,then again it is kalyjug.

On another note, a chardikala gursikh would never change their mind, and neither did Dhandrian wale, but my question to you is what did Dhandrian wale need to apologize for? What did he do so wrong, nindia of a "sant"?, maybe those idiots who made the decision to attack baba Ranjit singh ji (sorry "taKsAli sInGHs") could've pondered the tuk "Moorak naal Na lugeeaa" or even say "jo karega so bharega" since the theme with the taksal nowadays is to shut up about injustice and just do ardaas for panthic chardikala... give me an answer to that, why did they attack?  

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I personally think we, the sangat are at fault. Why is everyone these days a sant? We use this like it's a Mr or Mrs salutation. Even on youtube now, videos of a child (with more gyaan than me I admit) is referred to as sant.

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40 minutes ago, singhunit said:

I personally think we, the sangat are at fault. Why is everyone these days a sant? We use this like it's a Mr or Mrs salutation. Even on youtube now, videos of a child (with more gyaan than me I admit) is referred to as sant.

Sant is a very vague term that we've been throwing to anyone, why can't a child be a Sant in your mind, I don't know. Historically, every Taksal Jathedar since Baba Deep Singh Ji to Baba Thakur Singh Ji has been a Mahapurukh, after Baba Thakur Singh left the world, there were 3 Jathedars. Dhumma claims one of those 3 Jathedar titles, so people started referring him to as a "Sant", *(even when he isn't one). Our problem lies in making our leaders seem like the best, because most Sikhs today can't just simply accept Guru Sahib is the best, or even that Sikhs are the best.

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A chardikala gursikh would not change his mind? Sant kartar singh ji interpreted gurbani in more than 3 ways. Sometimes they would do 3 different arth for the same pangti. Its called progressing or evolving rather than changing. For argument sake even if we say changing then it is a good skill to have to learn. We are sikhs. A gursikh is allowed to progress and learn. Sikhs will always be learners. Some learn more than others. Moreover, even Sant Bhindranwale brought changes into santhiya. Compare two recordings one of Sant Kartar Singh ji and Sant Jarnail singh. It does not mean they are weak or wobbly, it means they have found a more logical and understanding way on their avastha. It is like when we see the picture of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, we see a parshada with blood and milk. Chardikala gursikhs see the metaphorical meaning portrayed through the colours and idea of the painter. Saying this, a nindak or taksali will be sharp to say 'do you not believe guru ji were capable to have blood and milk spilling out of a roti!? Are you trying to break sharda? Are you rss?. No of course not and yes we believe they are capable of it but the point is that there is more than one way of seeing a historic event or arth of gurbani or moral if a sakhi. Just because two Taksaal mahapurshs pronounced gurbani a bit differently it is not down to us to judge and say which one is right. Maybe they both are. Similarly Dhadrianwale grasp nee concepts some of which may not tie in with Taksaal however it does not mean they are wrong or weak. No body has ever made everyone happy. Bhindranwale had so much opposition they were shot. Dhadrianwale have so much opposition they are targeted. It is noy about taking sides anymore it is about saving innocent lives and letting parchar grow. Dhadrianwale are a Gurmat Parcharak.

Why did they attack? To kill. Taksal cannot bare the fact that a young nonTaksali has more respect and is doing better independently on a parchar level than all the Taksalis put together. They wanted what Dhadrianwale have. Some believe scaring people gives you respect. Bhindranwale did not have to scare with guns or by swearing. 

Singh unit,

A child can be a sant. But lets ask who is it that makes them a sant. Who gives that title? Only a sant can recognise a sant. Brahmgiani ki gat brahmgian jane. We call bhindranwale sant because that is how we were introduced. Obviously I am not questioning that in any way. Makes me think though, how comes Baba Deep Singh ji arent Sant Baba Deep Singh. Makes me wonder. They are no less than a sant. Also, how come some Sants have 108 brahmgianis and maharaj infront of their name. Are they named that from above? Or sangat preference. 

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9 hours ago, JS79 said:

Guest Daas,

A chardikala gursikh would not change his mind? Sant kartar singh ji interpreted gurbani in more than 3 ways. Sometimes they would do 3 different arth for the same pangti. Its called progressing or evolving rather than changing. For argument sake even if we say changing then it is a good skill to have to learn. We are sikhs. A gursikh is allowed to progress and learn. Sikhs will always be learners. Some learn more than others. Moreover, even Sant Bhindranwale brought changes into santhiya. Compare two recordings one of Sant Kartar Singh ji and Sant Jarnail singh. It does not mean they are weak or wobbly, it means they have found a more logical and understanding way on their avastha. It is like when we see the picture of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, we see a parshada with blood and milk. Chardikala gursikhs see the metaphorical meaning portrayed through the colours and idea of the painter. Saying this, a nindak or taksali will be sharp to say 'do you not believe guru ji were capable to have blood and milk spilling out of a roti!? Are you trying to break sharda? Are you rss?. No of course not and yes we believe they are capable of it but the point is that there is more than one way of seeing a historic event or arth of gurbani or moral if a sakhi. Just because two Taksaal mahapurshs pronounced gurbani a bit differently it is not down to us to judge and say which one is right. Maybe they both are. Similarly Dhadrianwale grasp nee concepts some of which may not tie in with Taksaal however it does not mean they are wrong or weak. No body has ever made everyone happy. Bhindranwale had so much opposition they were shot. Dhadrianwale have so much opposition they are targeted. It is noy about taking sides anymore it is about saving innocent lives and letting parchar grow. Dhadrianwale are a Gurmat Parcharak.

Why did they attack? To kill. Taksal cannot bare the fact that a young nonTaksali has more respect and is doing better independently on a parchar level than all the Taksalis put together. They wanted what Dhadrianwale have. Some believe scaring people gives you respect. Bhindranwale did not have to scare with guns or by swearing. 

Singh unit,

A child can be a sant. But lets ask who is it that makes them a sant. Who gives that title? Only a sant can recognise a sant. Brahmgiani ki gat brahmgian jane. We call bhindranwale sant because that is how we were introduced. Obviously I am not questioning that in any way. Makes me think though, how comes Baba Deep Singh ji arent Sant Baba Deep Singh. Makes me wonder. They are no less than a sant. Also, how come some Sants have 108 brahmgianis and maharaj infront of their name. Are they named that from above? Or sangat preference. 

Look changing ones mind when interpreting gurbani is different than changing ones mind minds when the circumstances are against them. When I was referring to mind change I was reffering to the principles of gurbani or "sidhant" if you will, that is one thing no chardikala gursikh has ever done.

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That is my point and I agree a child can be a sant, for all I know you could be a sant. But when we start calling everyone that is wearing a chola etc a sant is where we go wrong, everyone is battling ego and one never knows where it will get the better of them

 

 

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On 27/07/2017 at 8:13 PM, Guest Singh1984 said:

 

DHUMMA IS THE ONE CHANGING AKAL TAKHT PANTHIC MARYADA.

 

 

Which panthic maryada has harnam Singh changed?

 

On 28/07/2017 at 8:57 AM, Guest singh said:

 

 

Also regarding Sant harnam singh and government "alliances". The need for the political power was crucial to construct shaheedi yadgarh, and more recently the shaheedi gallery. No one in the past 30 years was able to do these sewas at darbar sahib, the heart of sikhi, where it should rightfully be. Sant baba harnam singh said the he would clean the sewers of the badals if he had to if it meant this sewa would be complete.  It is sad to see how baba gurbaksh singh shaheed and baba deep singh shaheed have just small nishan sahib as a memorial. Also no one provided sewa for constructing more gurduwaras, such as the janam asthan of sant baba jarnail singh khalsa, and etc.

 

 

Exactly. In our history the Sikhs have forged alliances with our enemies to defeat bigger enemies to acheive some goal.

 

ie Nawabgi, alliances with Adina Beg and Zakria Khan/Massa ranghar, I cant remember off the top of my head. They were done with the intent to achive something that otherwise would have been difficult to achieve.

 

20 hours ago, JS79 said:

 Compare two recordings one of Sant Kartar Singh ji and Sant Jarnail singh. It does not mean they are weak or wobbly, it means they have found a more logical and understanding way on their avastha.

 

The difference would be that Sant jarnail Singh would not have said that the previous understandings were wrong. Sant Ji would have given a different interpretation from a spiritual angle but would not have vilified any angles the other Sants approached it from.

 

Whereas what we get from certain places today is nothing but nindia of established practices.

 

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12 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

The difference would be that Sant jarnail Singh would not have said that the previous understandings were wrong. Sant Ji would have given a different interpretation from a spiritual angle but would not have vilified any angles the other Sants approached it from.

 

I agree. That is exactly my point! That is what i am saying. Just because there are differences in views does not mean someone is wrong. 

Sant ji gave shaheedi not join indhira. Dhumma has become badals garvehi. Well done to him. 

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