Guest Singh

Dhadrianwale exposed

94 posts in this topic

Guest Daas,

A chardikala gursikh would not change his mind? Sant kartar singh ji interpreted gurbani in more than 3 ways. Sometimes they would do 3 different arth for the same pangti. Its called progressing or evolving rather than changing. For argument sake even if we say changing then it is a good skill to have to learn. We are sikhs. A gursikh is allowed to progress and learn. Sikhs will always be learners. Some learn more than others. Moreover, even Sant Bhindranwale brought changes into santhiya. Compare two recordings one of Sant Kartar Singh ji and Sant Jarnail singh. It does not mean they are weak or wobbly, it means they have found a more logical and understanding way on their avastha. It is like when we see the picture of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, we see a parshada with blood and milk. Chardikala gursikhs see the metaphorical meaning portrayed through the colours and idea of the painter. Saying this, a nindak or taksali will be sharp to say 'do you not believe guru ji were capable to have blood and milk spilling out of a roti!? Are you trying to break sharda? Are you rss?. No of course not and yes we believe they are capable of it but the point is that there is more than one way of seeing a historic event or arth of gurbani or moral if a sakhi. Just because two Taksaal mahapurshs pronounced gurbani a bit differently it is not down to us to judge and say which one is right. Maybe they both are. Similarly Dhadrianwale grasp nee concepts some of which may not tie in with Taksaal however it does not mean they are wrong or weak. No body has ever made everyone happy. Bhindranwale had so much opposition they were shot. Dhadrianwale have so much opposition they are targeted. It is noy about taking sides anymore it is about saving innocent lives and letting parchar grow. Dhadrianwale are a Gurmat Parcharak.

Why did they attack? To kill. Taksal cannot bare the fact that a young nonTaksali has more respect and is doing better independently on a parchar level than all the Taksalis put together. They wanted what Dhadrianwale have. Some believe scaring people gives you respect. Bhindranwale did not have to scare with guns or by swearing. 

Singh unit,

A child can be a sant. But lets ask who is it that makes them a sant. Who gives that title? Only a sant can recognise a sant. Brahmgiani ki gat brahmgian jane. We call bhindranwale sant because that is how we were introduced. Obviously I am not questioning that in any way. Makes me think though, how comes Baba Deep Singh ji arent Sant Baba Deep Singh. Makes me wonder. They are no less than a sant. Also, how come some Sants have 108 brahmgianis and maharaj infront of their name. Are they named that from above? Or sangat preference. 

3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, JS79 said:

Guest Daas,

A chardikala gursikh would not change his mind? Sant kartar singh ji interpreted gurbani in more than 3 ways. Sometimes they would do 3 different arth for the same pangti. Its called progressing or evolving rather than changing. For argument sake even if we say changing then it is a good skill to have to learn. We are sikhs. A gursikh is allowed to progress and learn. Sikhs will always be learners. Some learn more than others. Moreover, even Sant Bhindranwale brought changes into santhiya. Compare two recordings one of Sant Kartar Singh ji and Sant Jarnail singh. It does not mean they are weak or wobbly, it means they have found a more logical and understanding way on their avastha. It is like when we see the picture of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, we see a parshada with blood and milk. Chardikala gursikhs see the metaphorical meaning portrayed through the colours and idea of the painter. Saying this, a nindak or taksali will be sharp to say 'do you not believe guru ji were capable to have blood and milk spilling out of a roti!? Are you trying to break sharda? Are you rss?. No of course not and yes we believe they are capable of it but the point is that there is more than one way of seeing a historic event or arth of gurbani or moral if a sakhi. Just because two Taksaal mahapurshs pronounced gurbani a bit differently it is not down to us to judge and say which one is right. Maybe they both are. Similarly Dhadrianwale grasp nee concepts some of which may not tie in with Taksaal however it does not mean they are wrong or weak. No body has ever made everyone happy. Bhindranwale had so much opposition they were shot. Dhadrianwale have so much opposition they are targeted. It is noy about taking sides anymore it is about saving innocent lives and letting parchar grow. Dhadrianwale are a Gurmat Parcharak.

Why did they attack? To kill. Taksal cannot bare the fact that a young nonTaksali has more respect and is doing better independently on a parchar level than all the Taksalis put together. They wanted what Dhadrianwale have. Some believe scaring people gives you respect. Bhindranwale did not have to scare with guns or by swearing. 

Singh unit,

A child can be a sant. But lets ask who is it that makes them a sant. Who gives that title? Only a sant can recognise a sant. Brahmgiani ki gat brahmgian jane. We call bhindranwale sant because that is how we were introduced. Obviously I am not questioning that in any way. Makes me think though, how comes Baba Deep Singh ji arent Sant Baba Deep Singh. Makes me wonder. They are no less than a sant. Also, how come some Sants have 108 brahmgianis and maharaj infront of their name. Are they named that from above? Or sangat preference. 

Look changing ones mind when interpreting gurbani is different than changing ones mind minds when the circumstances are against them. When I was referring to mind change I was reffering to the principles of gurbani or "sidhant" if you will, that is one thing no chardikala gursikh has ever done.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fateh

That is my point and I agree a child can be a sant, for all I know you could be a sant. But when we start calling everyone that is wearing a chola etc a sant is where we go wrong, everyone is battling ego and one never knows where it will get the better of them

 

 

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 27/07/2017 at 8:13 PM, Guest Singh1984 said:

 

DHUMMA IS THE ONE CHANGING AKAL TAKHT PANTHIC MARYADA.

 

 

Which panthic maryada has harnam Singh changed?

 

On 28/07/2017 at 8:57 AM, Guest singh said:

 

 

Also regarding Sant harnam singh and government "alliances". The need for the political power was crucial to construct shaheedi yadgarh, and more recently the shaheedi gallery. No one in the past 30 years was able to do these sewas at darbar sahib, the heart of sikhi, where it should rightfully be. Sant baba harnam singh said the he would clean the sewers of the badals if he had to if it meant this sewa would be complete.  It is sad to see how baba gurbaksh singh shaheed and baba deep singh shaheed have just small nishan sahib as a memorial. Also no one provided sewa for constructing more gurduwaras, such as the janam asthan of sant baba jarnail singh khalsa, and etc.

 

 

Exactly. In our history the Sikhs have forged alliances with our enemies to defeat bigger enemies to acheive some goal.

 

ie Nawabgi, alliances with Adina Beg and Zakria Khan/Massa ranghar, I cant remember off the top of my head. They were done with the intent to achive something that otherwise would have been difficult to achieve.

 

20 hours ago, JS79 said:

 Compare two recordings one of Sant Kartar Singh ji and Sant Jarnail singh. It does not mean they are weak or wobbly, it means they have found a more logical and understanding way on their avastha.

 

The difference would be that Sant jarnail Singh would not have said that the previous understandings were wrong. Sant Ji would have given a different interpretation from a spiritual angle but would not have vilified any angles the other Sants approached it from.

 

Whereas what we get from certain places today is nothing but nindia of established practices.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

The difference would be that Sant jarnail Singh would not have said that the previous understandings were wrong. Sant Ji would have given a different interpretation from a spiritual angle but would not have vilified any angles the other Sants approached it from.

 

I agree. That is exactly my point! That is what i am saying. Just because there are differences in views does not mean someone is wrong. 

Sant ji gave shaheedi not join indhira. Dhumma has become badals garvehi. Well done to him. 

Edited by JS79
Addition
3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, JS79 said:

I agree. That is exactly my point! That is what i am saying. Just because there are differences in views does not mean someone is wrong.

 

OK, let's move onto an example.

 

When Guru Gibind Singh was young he took his bow and arrow and shot the pot of water that a woman was carrying. She went to Guru Sahibs home to complain to Mata Gujri that Guru Sahib has ruined this pot by shooting an arrow into it.. Mata Ji said to Guru JI "why did you shoot the gaggar (pot)"? Guru Sahib said I did it for her welfare. Both ladies asked how. Guru Sahib said look inside the pot. Inside there was a poisonous snake that died from Guru Sahib's arrow.

 

Have you heard how the missionaries tell this story?

 

Professor Sarabjit Singh Khalsa said in his video that "this is a prachalt story that our brothers never tire of telling. But tell me what happens to womans clothes when they are wet through? The clothes cling to the body "  (he never went further but the insinuation was there)".  Then he asked how could Guru Gobind Singh have done this ? How could Guru Sahib have broken the womans pot which then soaked her clothes and put her body on display?

 

Do you see how Professor Sarbajit Singh Khalsa has not added another level to this story but tried to strip it of all dignity altogether?

 

So this is where differences in views should be combatted. Professor Sarabjit Singh Khalsa has tried to make this story out as something seedy. So if you agree with me, then you will also take a stand against nonsense like this from the missionaries and Professor Sarbjit Singh Khalsa.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
39 minutes ago, JS79 said:

Sant ji gave shaheedi not join indhira. Dhumma has become badals garvehi. Well done to him. 

So did those Sikhs who joined Zakaria become Zakria Khans garvehi?

Or Adina Begs garvehi?

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

OK, let's move onto an example.

 

When Guru Gibind Singh was young he took his bow and arrow and shot the pot of water that a woman was carrying. She went to Guru Sahibs home to complain to Mata Gujri that Guru Sahib has ruined this pot by shooting an arrow into it.. Mata Ji said to Guru JI "why did you shoot the gaggar (pot)"? Guru Sahib said I did it for her welfare. Both ladies asked how. Guru Sahib said look inside the pot. Inside there was a poisonous snake that died from Guru Sahib's arrow.

 

Have you heard how the missionaries tell this story?

 

Professor Sarabjit Singh Khalsa said in his video that "this is a prachalt story that our brothers never tire of telling. But tell me what happens to womans clothes when they are wet through? The clothes cling to the body "  (he never went further but the insinuation was there)".  Then he asked how could Guru Gobind Singh have done this ? How could Guru Sahib have broken the womans pot which then soaked her clothes and put her body on display?

 

Do you see how Professor Sarbajit Singh Khalsa has not added another level to this story but tried to strip it of all dignity altogether?

 

So this is where differences in views should be combatted. Professor Sarabjit Singh Khalsa has tried to make this story out as something seedy. So if you agree with me, then you will also take a stand against nonsense like this from the missionaries and Professor Sarbjit Singh Khalsa.

I am not a missionary fan even believe it or not. When i replied above reg parcharaks changing it was in resonse to dhadrianwale. I said they havent necessarily changed but things have multiple ways of interpretation. I am not going to back up sarbjit singh because i have not listened to every recording of his. I will however support dhadrianwale. 

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, JS79 said:

I am not going to back up sarbjit singh because i have not listened to every recording of his.

 

You dont need to listen to every single recording of his to know whether he is right or wrong.  I used to listen to Professor Sarbjit Singh Khalsa a lot when he first appeared because of his rebuttals to kamli Kamlesh. But listening on and on, it wasn't long before he began to show his true colours. Like any other "pakhandi baba" Professor Sarbjit Singh Khalsa built up his fanbase first and then when they were hooked showed his true colours.

 

13 minutes ago, JS79 said:

I will however support dhadrianwale. 

 

You have heard every recording of his?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

You dont need to listen to every single recording of his to know whether he is right or wrong.  I used to listen to Professor Sarbjit Singh Khalsa a lot when he first appeared because of his rebuttals to kamli Kamlesh. But listening on and on, it wasn't long before he began to show his true colours. Like any other "pakhandi baba" Professor Sarbjit Singh Khalsa built up his fanbase first and then when they were hooked showed his true colours.

 

 

You have heard every recording of his?

Yes. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, JS79 said:

I agree. That is exactly my point! That is what i am saying. Just because there are differences in views does not mean someone is wrong. 

Sant ji gave shaheedi not join indhira. Dhumma has become badals garvehi. Well done to him. 

Lol ok ,we are on the same page then.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

BAba harnam singh said be would do anything to do yadghar sewa, even be with badals if need be, also more recently the shaheedi gallery has been completed. P.S why did dhadrianwale lie if he is a "sant". You probably never read my entire long response completely but he lied. Accusing baba harnam singh of having security guards when today he has guards. 

Also has anyone even met baba harnam singh in person before doing ninda? I have. Very calm aura and you can feel the bhagti. Sorry if I offended

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 01/08/2017 at 6:33 PM, JS79 said:

I am not going to back up sarbjit singh because i have not listened to every recording of his.

 

Why shouldnt I call a liar a liar? You are a liar. You have posted lies on this forum.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Whats the lie in that?

Yes i support him in many things but i cannot say he is perfect until i know his each belief. I have not listened to everything. I think you like labelling us liers even if it doesnt make sense. 

Btw its a rhetorical question. I wasnt asking you to tell me where ive lied haha

3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/26/2017 at 3:06 PM, Guest The truth. Repeat. said:

The op needs a new hobby stop repeating. U have already made a thread on which i replied. Hows about you show your face? Make a video with jagowale? Or ajnala or tividale?

Umm, you're going to criticize the original poster for posting with a anonymous guest account ... by posting with an anonymous guest account?

That doesn't work.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/27/2017 at 2:12 AM, Guest singh said:

he made them take off big kirpans like bigger shashtars, and allowed small kirpans in sangat only in regards to when he went to america

Someone should make a list of the Gurdwaras where the committees let this happen, so we can know which are the quisling committees. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/26/2017 at 8:55 PM, Guest Singh 01 said:

Lol daas had the blessing of going to there divaans, no ones sri sahib was taken off... I dunno what paaji over here drank before making such assumptions 

The assertion is that big kirpans were banned. Just because people's small kirpans were not taken off does not invalidate the original assertion. Also, just because you may not have seen people's big kirpans being taken off also doesn't invalidate the assertion: by saying that big kirpans will not be allowed, sangat who wear the big kirpan were then forced to stay home.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/27/2017 at 5:08 PM, singhunit said:

Fateh

Who said he is changing Maryada?. You can't have it both ways - you want the panth to flourish and when someone tries to do that everyone attacks him? Would you rather he stopped pachar and the thousands stopped coming onto the path of Sikhi?

For the record - I'm not affliated to any jathebandi.

WJKK WJKF

You're saying that if you want the panth to flourish, you can't criticize a parcharak? Why? "Everyone attacks him" I'll take "attack" to mean verbal attack.

You're saying if parcharak does something bad, no one can criticize him. FYI, I've defended him in the past when his whole "bibis bowing to him on his birthday" and kalgi video wearing a green chola tape came out. Basically, I said that on balance, it's not that big of a deal, and he's bringing people into Sikhism.

But changing the maryada of the Gurdwara itself (as opposed to his bedroom) is much more serious. Also, back then, he was a kid, so I said that we should give him a break. Now he has grey hairs in his beard. When is he going to learn Gur-Maryada?

Quote

 

Would you rather he stopped pachar and the thousands stopped coming onto the path of Sikhi?

 

For the sake of discussion, let's assume his parchar is all OK. What I would like is for him to do parchar of Sikhi and also not dare to change Guru's maryada.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/27/2017 at 6:17 PM, Guest Tejinder Singh said:

A three foot sword has a place and time and listening to katha I don't think it's required. A smaller kirpan is fine.

Alright, explain like I'm 5 years old. Explain like I'm a non-Sikh:

Why do you have to have a small kirpan to listen to katha? Will not having a small kirpan block your ears?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 27/07/2017 at 4:38 AM, singhunit said:

Fateh

Who said he is changing Maryada?. You can't have it both ways - you want the panth to flourish and when someone tries to do that everyone attacks him? Would you rather he stopped pachar and the thousands stopped coming onto the path of Sikhi?

For the record - I'm not affliated to any jathebandi.

WJKK WJKF

Ranjit singh must stop his lazy parchar and attain real Gurmat knowledge.  When he has Gurmat gyan, he can come back and teach from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

Ranjit singh must stop his lazy parchar and attain real Gurmat knowledge.  When he has Gurmat gyan, he can come back and teach from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.  

 

Lazy? Yeah 3 diwans a day is that lazy.

Gurmat knowledge according to what you believe is gurmat? They already do gurmat gyan according to gurbani and what maharaj teach us through gurbani. 

3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He impersonated guru gobind singh maharaj by wearing a kalgi on his head and having people matha tek to him ( dhadrianwale). 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree, wearing the kalgi and allowing people to matha tek was a huge mistake. This is what I was trying to explain earlier, we hype things too much as the sangat.

On that note Dhumma is no better, who is he to throw his weight around and order the killing of fellow SIKH BROTHERS. You don't see Bhai Guriqbal Singh behaving like that?

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, singhunit said:

I agree, wearing the kalgi and allowing people to matha tek was a huge mistake. This is what I was trying to explain earlier, we hype things too much as the sangat.

On that note Dhumma is no better, who is he to throw his weight around and order the killing of fellow SIKH BROTHERS. You don't see Bhai Guriqbal Singh behaving like that?

There was nothing wrong in that. Two people gave two different khandas and dhadrianwale did not want to dishearten them by not wearink a khanda. They are above one another therefore seem lile a kalgi. It was not rees of maharaj.

Secondly nothing is wrong in matha tek. Some gursikhs bow down to each other. Forget bowing down, Maharaj says 'meri khaloho moajre gursikh handande'. Make my skin into the shoes of those gursikhs!! It is about respect. Yes the sharda we have should be 'he is a gursikh' not 'he is god'. Some kids matha tek to parents. They do not see the mum and dad as god but it is a form of respect. Do we not take asheervaad from our mums? It is not wrong. However Dhumma did this is maharajs hajoori which IS wrong. That is rees of kalgidhar sache patshah.

Thirdly, many many years ago dhadrianwale have stopped people trying to matha tek them because some of us have little brains and cannot gather big concepts.

Edited by JS79
2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Guest Singh said:

He impersonated guru gobind singh maharaj by wearing a kalgi on his head and having people matha tek to him ( dhadrianwale). 

You are mistaken by sirsa wala

He also made his form of 'amrit' 

Dhumma approved it also.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your content will need to be approved by a moderator

Guest
You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
Reply to this topic...

×   You have pasted content with formatting.   Remove formatting

  Only 75 emoticons maximum are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

Loading...