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jkvlondon    3,498
1 hour ago, singhnihk said:

This has got nothing to do with Victorian era or any other era. Don't blame the gentle Victorian era for all the defects you can't help noticing. Nothing to do colonization either. Have you heard of the term 'homosexuality?' If you can add the two together you will arrive at your answer. Of course, you can blame the Victorian era for forcing people to shut up about it but you simply won't get away by saying that it caused it. It has always been around and kept hidden.  Those with these tendencies are the only ones that prefer to interpret it the way they have done it so far, the rest are not literate enough to challenge them.  Don't blame outsiders when you know perfectly well the blame lies somewhere else. They are not disgusted at the bani per se, they are disgusted at their own secret which haunts and follows them everywhere like a spectre.  Find a straight one then decide for yourself what you can make of it all.

Sis get real,

when the East India  Company got a grip of India they started pushing their value judgements on all sorts of people for instance Bengali women and other Hindu women just wore a sari  no upper garments it was the angrez who pushed the blouse onto them also petticoat , the clue is in the entymology of the noun. 
all Gurmat concepts were reassessed in terms taken from abrahamic thought and victorian prejudices...thus the highhanded BS assessments of Ernest Trumpp (he even smoked whilst looking at Guru ji) . They kidnapped a sikh child , isolated him and converted him then got him married not to a legitimate born gori or an indian but the Barsteward child of an Eritrean (most are muslim) so totally insulting to sikh sensibilities and destroyed the legitimacy of future sikh royal claims. 
Hindus are not squeamish of Kaam even their devte are depicted as kaami and they openly revel in that aspect of their mythology. Why should we be? never had sex education , never had frank conversations with parents ? Everybody does if they want to protect their future generations from defect in character and health

Women due to the fact they have to deal with the aftermath of assault and abandonment really do need to wise up and read CP and give the same advice to their kids that Guru Teg Bahadur ji gave to Guru Pita ji

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jkvlondon    3,498
1 minute ago, singhnihk said:

I have read this bani many times even though it was difficult for me to understand it the first time I read it. I don't see anything wrong in reading it.  Women should read and understand all the banis of the Dasam Granth and let no man put them off from doing so. Btw, are you all blaming the Victorian era for all the defects in the sikh community? For instance, sikhs intermarrying, grooming, gurdwara disagreements, loud and rowdy behaviour, smoking and drinking and recently there was a video on someone beheading someone else in Fategarh Saheb in Punjab with some very dangerous instrument or weapon? You can google it if you like. This incident happened only few days ago.

bhen ji
the beheading was by a dusht against the nihang on duty of looking afterr the gurdwara.

Sikhs intermarrying - if intercaste then no problems,

if interrace - no problems if both sikh,

however only marrying in the family is a despicable return to hindu amd muslim mentality to keep money/land in family and has no place in sikh culture, 

sikh culture teaches one standard of behaviour for both sexes - no premartial/extramarital sex or relations, no drugs especially jagat jhoot TAbacco, no alcohols,no keeping of bad company (cynics, nastiks,alcoholics, drug addicts/dealers,  sexual predators etc), no listening to lewd and profane songs/ music. The lack of awareness of sikh itihaas has people dancing like idiots at Dheeyan when they were used historically to showcase girls to muslims for kidnapping during Mughal/afghani times by hindu majority, when no self-respecting sikh would send their daughters, nouaan to such a place.(I think Sant Kartar Singh Bhindrawale talked on this)

Where Guru Pita ji did manna of celebrating with maas and sharab , aj kal besharam loki do this to keep their friends happy, jadd margeha those same 'friends' will forget you Guru ji never

As my bazurg say eh sare sharam lah ke koonti te tangia

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Akalifauj    791
15 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

bhen ji
the beheading was by a dusht against the nihang on duty of looking afterr the gurdwara.

It says the attacker was a rival Nihang who was a sevedar at the gurdwara.  The gurdwara is run by Baba Balbir Singh from patiala.

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dallysingh101    1,583
Just now, singhnihk said:

Sikhs have been known for having premarital/ extramarital sex relations, drug abuse, smoking tabacco, consuming alcohol, keeping of bad company, committing drug related offences, acting as sexual predators, listening to all kinds of lewd and profane music and songs.  Are you all blaming Victorian era or the British rule in India for all this?

No, but the consequences of their meddling in Sikh affairs is no small thing is it. Taking a people away from norms of society that they themselves have established for themselves is no small thing is it. Destroying a powerful and high quality educational system and encouraging peasant culture in its place is obviously going to have catastrophic effects for a people isn't it.

You start meddling with any society to the degree brits did and the effects will be long ranging and enduring. But like a true whitey, you're oblivious to all this because it might force you to reflect on the ugly truths about your own society, that you all like to be in denial about (or keep swept under the carpet). 

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jkvlondon    3,498
1 minute ago, singhnihk said:

Sikhs have been known for having premarital/ extramarital sex relations, drug abuse, smoking tabacco, consuming alcohol, keeping of bad company, committing drug related offences, acting as sexual predators, listening to all kinds of lewd and profane music and songs.  Are you all blaming Victorian era or the British rule in India for all this?

I am blaming false squeamishness on victorian attitudes ...because if they can do all that and even act besharam and hide it in front of Jaanijaan Guru Pita ji then of course it is human nature but That "hit is not SIKH behaviour or culture so please refrain from calling indulgers Sikh because they for sure are not following Guru ji in any meaningful way

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dallysingh101    1,583
3 minutes ago, singhnihk said:

Plenty of women don't like this bani because they simply do not understand it. Feminism has changed the western (industrialized) democracies beyond recognition, are you implying the same is happening in the sikh communities?

I think that's pretty obvious. 

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Are sikh women going down the same destructive route as far as sexual exploitation of women is concerned? If so, why are they not learning from  western women to see the dangers? Remember, men are too 'terrified' to read this wonderful piece of work, how can you say they need to read it too? It is definitely very subtle in many places but also very direct in others.

I think many women are susceptible to majority influence. In a western diaspora that plays out. With simple minded thinking some foolish girls probably aspire to the perceived 'freedumb' of what they see around them with white girls regularly getting drunk and having multiple sexual partners without any one saying anything about it. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4721256/Women-shortest-lifespans-Europe.html

BTW, men aren't 'terrified' about reading CP. It's a certain type of prudish man AND women who get upset by the contents.

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dallysingh101    1,583
4 minutes ago, singhnihk said:

You sound so angry. So, tell me now, what is happening to the white British people?  Do you notice any changes and if so, who is responsible for these changes?

Not angry. That's just another white people thing. Anyone who brings attention to what they like to hide is 'angry' or 'has a chip on their shoulder'. Give it a rest.

white brits aren't homogenous, they are split along class lines and have difference experiences accordingly. It's the ruling classes that determine life here - changes seems more dramatic for those at the lower ends (working class) than those higher up. Where are you based? 

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jkvlondon    3,498
5 minutes ago, singhnihk said:

You sound so angry. So, tell me now, what is happening to the white British people?  Do you notice any changes and if so, who is responsible for these changes?

white women and girls, hindu women and girls and sikh women and girls are being exploited by all and sundry especially muslims who then go on to blackmail and threaten them into prostitution from which they make money off these girls. But God forbid someone point out that 'feminism' is a false freedom it is actually freedom for guys to exploit girls without ensuing pregnancies.

If you really believe in a good deal and fair treatment of women then you have to be against western feminism as it makes them vulnerable

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dallysingh101    1,583
49 minutes ago, singhnihk said:

Sikhee can rescue them if only...................they will listen.

I think recent events have woken up a fair few apneean to dangers they thought were exaggerated stories made up by patriarchal Sikh blokes who only wanted to control them.

 

I guess that's a positive. 

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