Jump to content
PreetamSingh

In Defense of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur

Recommended Posts

The person in the video contradicted himself through the video. He proclaimed Baba Ji as a Brahmgyani (which he was) but at the same time said Baba Ji made a mistake with "Fateh Darshan" as a way of performing slang for the full Fateh, I sincerely doubt someone on that spiritual level would make any use of any form of slang, especially for something given by Guru Father. Which is it? Quite a portion of it seems contradictory to what was written a good few hundred years after Baba Ji's martyrdom in Suraj Parkash (bearing in mind Kavi Ji spent a good few decades researching and gathering information for it).

 

Baba Ji was an amazing leader, extremely powerful (spiritually and physically). Guru Sahib appointed him to a task but Baba Ji (according to Suraj Parkash Granth) also made mistakes (not destroying Sirhind like he was ordered to, turning on the Khalsa, insulting Guru Mata and so on) which resulted in God taking away his powers and might. In all honesty we need a proper historical re-evaluation of his fascinating history. Most definitely there's truth in Kavi Ji's words but at the same time there may be more to it all. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Kira said:

The person in the video contradicted himself through the video. He proclaimed Baba Ji as a Brahmgyani (which he was) but at the same time said Baba Ji made a mistake with "Fateh Darshan" as a way of performing slang for the full Fateh, I sincerely doubt someone on that spiritual level would make any use of any form of slang, especially for something given by Guru Father. Which is it? Quite a portion of it seems contradictory to what was written a good few hundred years after Baba Ji's martyrdom in Suraj Parkash (bearing in mind Kavi Ji spent a good few decades researching and gathering information for it).

 

Baba Ji was an amazing leader, extremely powerful (spiritually and physically). Guru Sahib appointed him to a task but Baba Ji (according to Suraj Parkash Granth) also made mistakes (not destroying Sirhind like he was ordered to, turning on the Khalsa, insulting Guru Mata and so on) which resulted in God taking away his powers and might. In all honesty we need a proper historical re-evaluation of his fascinating history. Most definitely there's truth in Kavi Ji's words but at the same time there may be more to it all. 

Bhangu's Panth Prakash is also a great source on Banda Singh Bahadhur. 

There is this strong tendency by many apnay to whitewash (essentially rewrite) history to make it inline with some sort of preconceived (usually romanticised) image they have in their head. I think this way of thinking stems from victorian/anglo/protestant christian values  from the colonial period (that people have imbibed), because prior to that, indigenous Sikh historiography had no problems with warts and all accounts of Sikh history. After the 'annexation' Sikh historians all of a sudden felt compelled to start rewriting/hiding stuff. After a century of that, we've ended up in a strange position where we are overly suspicious of our own pre-colonial literature and whilst our ancestors had no problem with the contents, people today struggle to accept them.  

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Bhangu's Panth Prakash is also a great source on Banda Singh Bahadhur. 

There is this strong tendency by many apnay to whitewash (essentially rewrite) history to make it inline with some sort of preconceived (usually romanticised) image they have in their head. I think this way of thinking stems from victorian/anglo/protestant christian values  from the colonial period (that people have imbibed), because prior to that, indigenous Sikh historiography had no problems with warts and all accounts of Sikh history. After the 'annexation' Sikh historians all of a sudden felt compelled to start rewriting/hiding stuff. After a century of that, we've ended up in a strange position where we are overly suspicious of our own pre-colonial literature and whilst our ancestors had no problem with the contents, people today struggle to accept them.  

Spot on mate!!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Bhangu's Panth Prakash is also a great source on Banda Singh Bahadhur. 

There is this strong tendency by many apnay to whitewash (essentially rewrite) history to make it inline with some sort of preconceived (usually romanticised) image they have in their head. I think this way of thinking stems from victorian/anglo/protestant christian values  from the colonial period (that people have imbibed), because prior to that, indigenous Sikh historiography had no problems with warts and all accounts of Sikh history. After the 'annexation' Sikh historians all of a sudden felt compelled to start rewriting/hiding stuff. After a century of that, we've ended up in a strange position where we are overly suspicious of our own pre-colonial literature and whilst our ancestors had no problem with the contents, people today struggle to accept them.  

100% right. The author of this hasn't quoted any sources whatsoever. I've not read Panth Prakash yet but its on my to do list.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Jacfsing2

Banda Singh Bahadur was a great man, but he was not perfect. Problems with this video is that it over-exerts his success without a fair and unbiased view. Simply being chosen by the light of God himself couldn't stop him, Bahadur Shah himself worked with Guru Sahib, so that would mean he's great as well, but we all know the history. Even the legendary blessed Damdami Taksal, an institution made by Guru Sahib himself, led by Mahapurukhs since Baba Deep Singh Ji to Baba Thakur Singh Ji is also far from perfection,( in modern day). People are going to do what feels right, rather than what's actually right.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Kira said:

I've not read Panth Prakash yet but its on my to do list.

Dear Kira,

 

you can find panth Parkash on "scribd" app

Edited by Destruction

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Destruction said:

Dear Kira,

 

you can find panth Parkash on "scribd" app

thanks bro, im aware :D. I just don't have the time right now haha.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Kira said:

thanks bro, im aware :D. I just don't have the time right now haha.

The section on Banda Singh (at the end of volume one) will blow your mind. It isn't too long either. 

 

Here it is, for whenever you are ready:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/54832175/Vol-1-SRI-GUR-PANTH-PRAKASH-by-Rattan-Singh-Bhangoo-Trans-Kulwant-Singh

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

The section on Banda Singh (at the end of volume one) will blow your mind. It isn't too long either. 

 

Here it is, for whenever you are ready:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/54832175/Vol-1-SRI-GUR-PANTH-PRAKASH-by-Rattan-Singh-Bhangoo-Trans-Kulwant-Singh

ill give it a smash before bedtime tonight.

 

 

Edit: I read a bit, this seems eerily familiar to me.

Edited by Kira

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/14/2017 at 1:41 AM, dallysingh101 said:

The section on Banda Singh (at the end of volume one) will blow your mind. It isn't too long either. 

 

Here it is, for whenever you are ready:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/54832175/Vol-1-SRI-GUR-PANTH-PRAKASH-by-Rattan-Singh-Bhangoo-Trans-Kulwant-Singh

https://tisarpanthdotcom.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/in-the-age-of-the-sword/

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Finally, someone has done a good job in defending Baba Ji. Although I think they could have done even more but even a little bit is good in defending Baba Ji. many snatanis will not like this one bit. It is understandable since they have tried very hard to demonize Baba Ji with lies and pure Nindya. But Baba Banda Singh Bahadur is like the moon. Those who try to spit at the moon will soon regret it when their own spit lands back on their face.

People do not realize how much Paap they are burdening themselves under by doing Nindya of a Brahmgiani like Baba Ji. We had some Nindaks tried to do the same to Sant Jee but no one listens to them anymore. Same is with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. Baba Jee is very much respected by the Sikh masses as a spotless Sikh personality. And God willing, Baba Jee's memory and prestige will be enhanced even more in future

Edited by Jonny101
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Jonny101 said:

Finally, someone has done a good job in defending Baba Ji. Although I think they could have done even more but even a little bit is good in defending Baba Ji. many snatanis will not like this one bit. It is understandable since they have tried very hard to demonize Baba Ji with lies and pure Nindya. But Baba Banda Singh Bahadur is like the moon. Those who try to spit at the moon will soon regret it when their own spit lands back on their face.

People do not realize how much Paap they are burdening themselves under by doing Nindya of a Brahmgiani like Baba Ji. We had some Nindaks tried to do the same to Sant Jee but no one listens to them anymore. Same is with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. Baba Jee is very much respected by the Sikh masses as a spotless Sikh personality. And God willing, Baba Jee's memory and prestige will be enhanced even more in future

As opposed to the paap you burdened yourself with when you did maha nindya of Baba Binod Singh..... when you was challenged you ran away from this site with your tail between your legs. There's hukamname from Mata Sundar Ji telling the sangat to not follow Banda anymore as he went of the path of gurmat. Rattan Singh Bhangu was from a family of great gursikhs, he's a much more reliable source then any of these other modern 'historians'. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Jonny101 said:

Finally, someone has done a good job in defending Baba Ji. Although I think they could have done even more but even a little bit is good in defending Baba Ji. many snatanis will not like this one bit. It is understandable since they have tried very hard to demonize Baba Ji with lies and pure Nindya. But Baba Banda Singh Bahadur is like the moon. Those who try to spit at the moon will soon regret it when their own spit lands back on their face.

People do not realize how much Paap they are burdening themselves under by doing Nindya of a Brahmgiani like Baba Ji. We had some Nindaks tried to do the same to Sant Jee but no one listens to them anymore. Same is with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. Baba Jee is very much respected by the Sikh masses as a spotless Sikh personality. And God willing, Baba Jee's memory and prestige will be enhanced even more in future

I replied back to you on a similar discussion regarding this particular topic. There, you ran away with your tail between your legs when I put up an audio clip in which Sant Jarnail Singh Ji concurs with Bhangu's perception of Baba Banda Singh. Want me to put it up one more time?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Mahakaal96 said:

As opposed to the paap you burdened yourself with when you did maha nindya of Baba Binod Singh..... when you was challenged you ran away from this site with your tail between your legs. There's hukamname from Mata Sundar Ji telling the sangat to not follow Banda anymore as he went of the path of gurmat. Rattan Singh Bhangu was from a family of great gursikhs, he's a much more reliable source then any of these other modern 'historians'. 

Why would I respect the person who disobeyed his leader at a critical time, got Jageer from the Mughals and then used his power and influence to get his son freed from Mughal captivity while letting hundreds of Singh's get Shaheed in Delhi. He was a Santa Singh of his time period. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • russians bro....its the commies.
    • Guest Jagsaw_Singh
      Fateh sangat ji, I want to try something here. It's designed to make us think about ourselves and our thought process and then perhaps at the end of it we might, together, gain a deeper understanding of how and why we, as a nation, are allowing ourselves to go through what we are going through. Below then, I am going to post a list of everything a right wing Indian nationalist has said to me in just one thread. Remember that: Just one thread. If I was to collate all the  other things he has called me over the course of the last year in other threads this process would take way too long. So all the below is from just one thread. While we read it together we each need to ask ourselves how we allowed ourselves to be manipulated enough into not seeing it. From there we can individually, in our own time, perhaps begin to understand the master-servant relationship that exists between the Sikhs and Hindustan....How Hindustan manipulates the Sikh's mind into believing that 'mother India' knows best...and as a 'mother' she couldn't possibly wish him any harm. It's about the power of suggestion and implanting ideas in people's heads so that become conditioned into believing that what the Indian says MUST be good, proper and civilised and any deviation of thought MUST mean extremism. terrorism, backwardness...'bewhkoofness'. Within the text of the messages below I want you to be able to pick out the common themes.....such as the image of a 'kirpan' as an object of backwardness and the 'kachera' as a garment of ridicule, or the consistent year long anal references. In this process each of us has a different role to play, for example the Mods here will need to question why such language has consistently been allowed and the rest of us will need to examine just how easy it has been for the anti-Sikh rights brigade to divide us and cause infighting.  So..........ignoring the thousands of insults directed at me on the other threads over the course of the last year all the following were what I received in just one single thread. Please note, the bits that contain nothing but characters are the ones where the words used by the Indian were so disgusting that they were deleted by the mods in their entirety. And remember, not once did I respond with abuse. each time I worrying questions about his mental state and carried on with my thread. what you need to do is remove your brain, squat down, drop your Kachera, open your anus as wide as possible and then... But I am intrigued, that you must be the only specimen in mankind who sepaks from his anus and defcates from his mouth. Unfortunately that extreta ends up dumped on this forum And I love the last lindee that you fartrd out of your mouth seems like you’re talking out of your jagsaw  (ANUS) again This c*ck is a fantasist just looking for any excuse to whip his kirpan out and start waving it around for no reason ie horse sh1t. Love the back tracking though. See if you can get the lindee back into your fantasist bootha..... (in this one the swear words were so extreme the Mods  deleted 5 of them in one paragraph: DELETED* Officially huh? Try going to Stonebridge Park, parts of Islington or parts of Hackney or even Camberwell. Whilst Southall is no Mayfair, I will give you that, your*DELETED*. As usual, if you are so correct, quote your damn source you mother *DELETED*...... *DELETED* And whilst you say no sikh went to assist, I was there volunteering on Saturday and Sunday, and there were other sikhs too, What they didnt do was start waving their kirpans around in the air yelling about 1984, which is what I guess you were looking for. *DELETED* Then come to central london tell me where you will be and you can kiss my <banned word filter activated>,. That you use specific words at random to try and give credibility or a a learned slant to your diahorrea. Words such as "intellectual level" in this post and in previous posts such as "officially", "proven" and then whip totally made up facts and statistics out of your anus to prove a point thats not there. Thanks for confirming your ignorance. Even your diahorrea is inconsistent. I think it may be your typical dysentery..... You <banned word filter activated>. (on this one he abused Basics of Sikhi for highlighting the killing of Sikhs during a live BBC TV programme)  Its like the <banned word filter activated>..... the <banned word filter activated> who went live on TV and started shouting during a programme on the BBC. Do you think that did anything for opinion of sikhs in the wider world. Any you ? You c*ck consider that an inferiority complex Its not, its damging the position of the Kaum in the wider world, for which behvooks like you are 100% responsible.   (he said the following after I challenged him for calling our sister JKVLondon the most disgusting of abuse)  And yes I also call out JKV when she comes out with BS, and shall continue to do so. And dont apologise for it whatsoever.   marching up in the middle of it dropping his kachera and releasing the diahorrea from his Jagsaw all over the floor and then thinking he added to the debate         More bukwaas. Its never ending. Filter 100 of my posts eh? bollocks. Aside from which how the hell would you know, given that you are neither a mod, admin or vaguely respected member of this board with any influence whatsoever?     so do us all a favour and kkep the BS in your rectum Well which is it you <banned word filter activated&gt Sort of like the internet equivalent of having a debate in person, and some tw*t just And you have to type one handed, whilst using the other hand to wave your kirpan around your head to fight off the mughals invaders hallucinations Its winkers like you that need to be eradicated from the sikh kaum Jagsaw you c0ck any proof of the above horse sh1t statement? I mean proof, not your bukwaas opinions encountering here is the resident behvkoof of this forum, Jagsaw Singh. Makes tutee up to attempt to make his point seem more learned. And you have asked for sources?? lol dream on Careful don't criticise Jagsaw's beloved Pakistan or Muslim groomers who rape children jagsaw khota is the epitome of nonsense and verbal bukwas DELETED* I have taken to use the word "jagsaw" as a proxy for ‘ANUS’. (in this one he decided to go for the 3 forum members that are most vocal for Sikh Independence from India in one sentence, alluding to the fact that Sikhs that desire self-determination are the enemies Sikhi) there are many more behvkoofs on this forum who are armchair google hypocritical extremists happy to slander without evidence (sound familiar jkv?) and some others who are just goddamn dumb and idiotic (akalifauj-for example, suggest that jagsaw and these members form their own caste of the behvkoofs and cease from damaging Sikhi any further. Jagsaw my old friend, IMODIUM time again ! I have plenty to say Jagsaw, I only abuse where the poster justifies that type of response. I congratulate you that the 100% stupidity of your posts warrants a lifetime behvkoofi, Lets get something straight behvkoofa. . What I AM, is anti behvkoof, anti janwar, anti extremist, anti baseless BS, anti moronic google warrior But thats you all over, baseless bollocks total made up b0llox recognised your nonsense as structurally identical to horse lidh.....  
    • It has to be sarbloh all food that we eat should be made in sarbloh but that is a different topic but degh should always be made in sarbloh and then when served should also be in sarbloh utensils 
    • Keski is not  a kakaar and will never be akj jathebandi say this but guru gobind singh Jee states in there hukamnama which was sent to kabal that kes is a kakaar and as a Taksali Singh myself I have read a lot about this and keski is not a kakaar this is a misconception by akj jathebandi 
×