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On 10/07/2017 at 2:47 AM, Guest ChardiKala said:

Guru Granth Sahib forbids eating of halal or any meat killed according to ritual beliefs. Muslims have successfully lobbied to get most of the restuarants even in Sikh populated areas to serve only Halal food. However, it hurts me to see keshdhari Sikhs sitting in Shwarma place and other Pakistani joints happily eating Halal food. When you talk to them, they plead ignorance. These are the same Sikhs who tend to lecture other mona Sikhs about keeping kesh. Why are they not following the tenants and protesting about the creeping Halal everywhere? Our school where 50% of the students are Sikh now serve Halal hot dogs because of only 5% Muslims. None of the Sikhs care about this. Muslims are using Halal certification to build mosques in every street and actively convert people, but use Sikhs are happy eating Biryani!

When I bring this up in Gurdwara they say we should only be vegetarian, when all the committee members eat meat and close to 90% Sikhs are non-veg (also Gurbani does not prohibit meat). I am so confused at this hypocrisy. Anyone agree with me?

Our lot is a totally hopeless case IMHO. Only satguru can guide us now. 

If you don't educate them, its tough. When you do, they don't wanna listen and will you brush you off as young, naive, old, baabey, gay, and what not. 

But being a sikh like us, we can't see our kaum going to gutters either :/ 

its a tough choice man . We're in deep deep mess , so deep now we're even scared to admit it to ourselves. Hence we plead ignorance 

PS: Abrahamic religions followers are very sharda-ful to their religions. They want their faith and its rules in every corner . Their youth is more committed to their culture, namaaz, dress and what not.

Just see how many muslim youth even in london wear thobe with pride, how many apne wear chola / baana ? Thats just one point easily observable.

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BhForce    529
16 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

To argue over which meat is 'best' and most right': halal or non-halal is like arguing over which paedophile was best and most righteous: Rolf Harris or Gary Glitter. All paedophiles are scum and all meat is scum.

Did you read the above where the problem is highlighted that Sikhs are are thinking that if all meat is bad, then they might as well eat halal? Your saying that "all meat is scum" halal or non-halal is exactly what is leading Sikhs to eat halal meat.

There are two modes of thinking on the issue of meat in Sikhism: One is don't eat meat, and the other is if, for whatever reason, you do eat meat, never, ever eat halal. By preaching #1, and never mentioning #2, the likes of you are virtually pushing Sikhs into kebab shops.

I'm not pushing a chicken wing into your mouth, all I'm asking for is a little moderation, and giving a little bit of guidance for Sikhs who, again for whatever reason, currently don't desist from meat.

Oh, and by the way, halal, non-halal, it's not "all the same". Halal is the thin edge of wedge used by radical Muslims to Islamize a society, India then, and European countries now. The injunction to never eat halal is similar to the orders to always wear a turban, or to wave a whisk over Guru Granth Sahib: It is pushback against radical jihadi Islam, and to prevent becoming a dhimmi (non-Muslim second-class citizen).

Also, I thought you were supposed to be limited to your own thread.

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Kira    1,219
36 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Did you read the above where the problem is highlighted that Sikhs are are thinking that if all meat is bad, then they might as well eat halal? Your saying that "all meat is scum" halal or non-halal is exactly what is leading Sikhs to eat halal meat.

There are two modes of thinking on the issue of meat in Sikhism: One is don't eat meat, and the other is if, for whatever reason, you do eat meat, never, ever eat halal. By preaching #1, and never mentioning #2, the likes of you are virtually pushing Sikhs into kebab shops.

I'm not pushing a chicken wing into your mouth, all I'm asking for is a little moderation, and giving a little bit of guidance for Sikhs who, again for whatever reason, currently don't desist from meat.

Oh, and by the way, halal, non-halal, it's not "all the same". Halal is the thin edge of wedge used by radical Muslims to Islamize a society, India then, and European countries now. The injunction to never eat halal is similar to the orders to always wear a turban, or to wave a whisk over Guru Granth Sahib: It is pushback against radical jihadi Islam, and to prevent becoming a dhimmi (non-Muslim second-class citizen).

Also, I thought you were supposed to be limited to your own thread.

The vege eaters need to read suraj prakash granth, There's literally countless mentions of Sikhs eating meat in it. Historically there's nothing wrong with keeping a balanced diet, the main issue is eating it purely for the sensation of it, and same goes to the Vege-squad. 

IMO the main issue as you described is 100% the case right now. Sikhs are turning into nothing more than a pseudo-vegan fanatics more or less. The Sikhs that want to eat meat then end up turning to whatever alternative they find. 

 

P.S - before im heckled off this thread I lead a strict Vegetarian diet but I have no ill will or malice towards people like the Nihang Singhs who eat meat. That's their maryada.

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1 hour ago, Kira said:

The vege eaters need to read suraj prakash granth, There's literally countless mentions of Sikhs eating meat in it. Historically there's nothing wrong with keeping a balanced diet, the main issue is eating it purely for the sensation of it, and same goes to the Vege-squad. 

IMO the main issue as you described is 100% the case right now. Sikhs are turning into nothing more than a pseudo-vegan fanatics more or less. The Sikhs that want to eat meat then end up turning to whatever alternative they find. 

 

P.S - before im heckled off this thread I lead a strict Vegetarian diet but I have no ill will or malice towards people like the Nihang Singhs who eat meat. That's their maryada.

points are:

1. all kulla maas is off limits because it is killed inhumanely and is not allowed as we can only eat by killing by chatka method

2. Halal/Kosher is especially off limits by Guru Sahiban hukham 

In the west , there is only these choices available for most people so they are better off being veggie , where chatka is available then there is a choice for meat eaters of the sikh faith.

I think most folks have too much to eat already and don't need the extra cholesterol etc

 

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Did you read the above where the problem is highlighted that Sikhs are are thinking that if all meat is bad, then they might as well eat halal? Your saying that "all meat is scum" halal or non-halal is exactly what is leading Sikhs to eat halal meat.

I don't care what's 'written above me' and I don't care what's 'written below me'. I look upon all eaters of flesh as scum so I value the supposed righteousness in abstaining from halal and eating non-halal as much as I value a paedophile. Paedophiles are scum and so are those cannibals that eat flesh. How does abstaining from halal but eating non-halal make them any more human ? Now, before anyone thinks 'oh here we go' ;another of them AKJ people', let me tell you that I follow no group....I listen to no man...preacher...parcharak and I follow the guidance of noting except my one eternal living Guru: Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. To be a Sikh means something....it means living in a highly conscious way the way our Gurus taught us. Now, in 2017, as a conscious individual (which all Sikhs should be) you know that the meat industry is single-handedly the single biggest contributor to the environmental disaster destroying the world......and yet you still wanna eat dead animals and argue the pros and cons of halal ?   You know Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji teaches you that the environment is in many ways Waheguru and you know the evil meat industry is destroying the environment (Waheguru) and yet you still wanna argue the pros of eating non-halal flesh as opposed to halal flesh ????

Right now, you know I could quite easily write a  thesis right here and now on why you should not be eating animal flesh. But i won't. I'll just repeat what I said at the start of the message in reply to the point you directed at me: I don't care what a flesh eater above me writes and I don't care what a flesh eater below me writes. To me, all flesh eaters are about as moral as a paedophile and their opinions on morals and ethics about as valuable. I don't eat meat...I don't eat dairy.....I don't drink milk. Ain't no jatha, group or parcharak made me follow that route. I went down that route by following the lessons on life and the earth given to us by our living Guru.

 

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On 7/10/2017 at 9:40 PM, ipledgeblue said:

 

I am sandwiched between Slough and Southall areas, I see more sikhs preaching haircuts and shaving than those preaching to keep hair!

Wat kind of "sikhs" actively preach haircuts. You sure they aren't <banned word filter activated> 

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ipledgeblue    72
'Drink the immortal nectar and upon joining the Khalsa fold go hunting. Continually seek to perfect your use of weapons. Perform 'Jhatka' and eat goats. Do not even go near Halal meat.'
 
-'Sri Gur Panth Prakash', Ratan Singh Bhangu, pg. 110.
 
7 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Wat kind of "sikhs" actively preach haircuts. You sure they aren't <banned word filter activated> 

lol not actively!!! 

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dallysingh101    1,583
On 7/10/2017 at 9:24 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

I don't care what's 'written above me' and I don't care what's 'written below me'. I look upon all eaters of flesh as scum so I value the supposed righteousness in abstaining from halal and eating non-halal as much as I value a paedophile

By that logic you must consider a helluva lot of your warrior Sikh ancestors to be scum then......

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Singh1989    76
On ‎09‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 10:17 PM, Guest ChardiKala said:

now serve Halal hot dogs because of only 5% Muslims. None of the Sikhs care about this. Muslims are using Halal

Anyone agree with me?

I agree. I also agree halal is EVERYWHERE in UK. It don't bother me because, it's Muslim's thing. Just like Sikhs get happy seeing a new gurdwara open up Muslims get happy seeing halal place opened (mosque too I guess). BUT we should not enter halal places as it gives us a bad image AND it against rehat to eat Halal (halal is specified in rehat nama)!!!

ALSO! Is this "Hot dog" like, a proper PORK hot dog??:/

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ipledgeblue    72
23 minutes ago, Singh1989 said:

I agree. I also agree halal is EVERYWHERE in UK. It don't bother me because, it's Muslim's thing. Just like Sikhs get happy seeing a new gurdwara open up Muslims get happy seeing halal place opened (mosque too I guess). BUT we should not enter halal places as it gives us a bad image AND it against rehat to eat Halal (halal is specified in rehat nama)!!!

ALSO! Is this "Hot dog" like, a proper PORK hot dog??:/

lol definitely not pork if halal, probably halal lamb.

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5akaalsingh    81
On 12/7/2017 at 6:13 PM, dallysingh101 said:

By that logic you must consider a helluva lot of your warrior Sikh ancestors to be scum then......

The guy is denying almost 200 years of sikh history.... how sad!

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ipledgeblue    72
18 hours ago, 5akaalsingh said:

The guy is denying almost 200 years of sikh history.... how sad!

this people follow sant babas or bhai sahibs that hardly practise shastar rehit of khalsa.

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5akaalsingh    81
Just now, ipledgeblue said:

this people follow sant babas or bhai sahibs that hardly practise shastar rehit of khalsa.

nowadays sikhs are more saint than soldiers

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Singh1989    76
2 hours ago, 5akaalsingh said:

nowadays sikhs are more saint than soldiers

Babio! Aj kal Sikhs wi emai Mari moti Sant-ey aa :/ Soldier ta dhoor di gal hai.

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ipledgeblue    72
3 hours ago, 5akaalsingh said:

nowadays sikhs are more saint than soldiers

 

46 minutes ago, Singh1989 said:

Babio! Aj kal Sikhs wi emai Mari moti Sant-ey aa :/ Soldier ta dhoor di gal hai.

I guess pakhandi veggie saints/sants then 

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