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Guru Granth Sahib forbids eating of halal or any meat killed according to ritual beliefs. Muslims have successfully lobbied to get most of the restuarants even in Sikh populated areas to serve only Halal food. However, it hurts me to see keshdhari Sikhs sitting in Shwarma place and other Pakistani joints happily eating Halal food. When you talk to them, they plead ignorance. These are the same Sikhs who tend to lecture other mona Sikhs about keeping kesh. Why are they not following the tenants and protesting about the creeping Halal everywhere? Our school where 50% of the students are Sikh now serve Halal hot dogs because of only 5% Muslims. None of the Sikhs care about this. Muslims are using Halal certification to build mosques in every street and actively convert people, but use Sikhs are happy eating Biryani!

When I bring this up in Gurdwara they say we should only be vegetarian, when all the committee members eat meat and close to 90% Sikhs are non-veg (also Gurbani does not prohibit meat). I am so confused at this hypocrisy. Anyone agree with me?

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49 minutes ago, Guest ChardiKala said:

 Our school where 50% of the students are Sikh now serve Halal hot dogs because of only 5% Muslims. None of the Sikhs care about this.

Wow, where is this school with a 50% Sikh student population? 

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2 hours ago, Guest ChardiKala said:

it hurts me to see keshdhari Sikhs sitting in Shwarma place and other Pakistani joints happily eating Halal food. When you talk to them, they plead ignorance. These are the same Sikhs who tend to lecture other mona Sikhs about keeping kesh. Why are they not following the tenants and protesting about the creeping Halal everywhere? Our school where 50% of the students are Sikh now serve Halal hot dogs because of only 5% Muslims. None of the Sikhs care about this. Muslims are using Halal certification to build mosques in every street and actively convert people, but use Sikhs are happy eating Biryani!

When I bring this up in Gurdwara they say we should only be vegetarian, when all the committee members eat meat and close to 90% Sikhs are non-veg (also Gurbani does not prohibit meat). I am so confused at this hypocrisy. Anyone agree with me?

Yes, I do agree with you. I do think that most Sikhs should refrain from meat, but for those who don't, they should absolutely never eat halal. If you can't ascertain for certain whether a given piece of meat is halal or not, you should not eat it. The very best thing is to simply not eat out, just eat at your house, your friends/families houses, or the Gurdwara. Failing that, only eat at vegetarian restaurants.

What stupid Sikhs and Christians don't realize is that halal is the thin end of the wedge that Muslims use to Islamize a country, as they did in India.

2 hours ago, Guest ChardiKala said:

Why are they not following the tenants and protesting about the creeping Halal everywhere?

Agreed. If Sikhs would just follow their Guru and either not eat meat, or not eat halal, there wouldn't be a problem.

This is a useful site for these issues:

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/

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Guest halaloo

Next time any of you guys in store with a sacred halal section and display, then do what i do???  Go grab a big pack of pork chops and flip it over the halal displays of their fancy green packages.

 

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Don't touch it.

Schools these days are driven by cost and go by the cheaper option.

That is a big reason why Halal is pushed forward so much.

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I tell you a big problem for people (especially youngsters) is the way non-halal diets can effect social life in a sullah area. When 95% of the restaurants/food outlets around are jalal (even the ones not run by muslims), I think a lot of youngsters and families feel seriously limited. 

But if we are having issues in an area with a 50% Sikh student population in schools - we're in trouble. I think one of the reasons is confusion. It's only recently that people seemed to have figured out that eating kutha meat is prohibited with old precedents. Pushing/promoting vegetarianism made people think that : "If I eat meat, I might as well eat any." which we know is not how it went down historically.  

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Need to find the right kind of sangat like Nihang Singhs and other understanding groups. Does sikh council help in these things?

 

I remember when they were asking tweeting everyone to support the sikh manifesto. When I mentioned halal, they seemed to have put it in a footnote somewhere. FOR SHAME!!!

 

I am sandwiched between Slough and Southall areas, I see more sikhs preaching haircuts and shaving than those preaching to keep hair!

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Guest Jagsaw_Singh

To argue over which meat is 'best' and most right': halal or non-halal is like arguing over which paedophile was best and most righteous: Rolf Harris or Gary Glitter. All paedophiles are scum and all meat is scum.

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I am sandwiched between Slough and Southall areas,

Poor you.  If I had to be in a sandwich I can't think of a more horrible sandwich to be in. (except maybe sandwiched between Wolverhampon and Walsall)

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6 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

I am sandwiched between Slough and Southall areas, I see more sikhs preaching haircuts and shaving than those preaching to keep hair!

What?! They are actually preaching haircutting? Not just excusing it? Excusing ("I can't keep hair because of ... my job, school, military, whatever), I can understand, preaching it simply nuts.

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8 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

I am sandwiched between Slough and Southall areas, I see more sikhs preaching haircuts and shaving than those preaching to keep hair!

Are they actually preaching it or just telling someone that they cut their hair for "X", reason?

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16 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

To argue over which meat is 'best' and most right': halal or non-halal is like arguing over which paedophile was best and most righteous: Rolf Harris or Gary Glitter. All paedophiles are scum and all meat is scum.

Poor you.  If I had to be in a sandwich I can't think of a more horrible sandwich to be in. (except maybe sandwiched between Wolverhampon and Walsall)

You should listen to Aasa dii vaar:

ਮਃ   
मः १ ॥ 
Mėhlā 1. 
First Mehl: 
 
ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਜ  
माणस खाणे करहि निवाज ॥ 
Māṇas kẖāṇe karahi nivāj. 
The man-eaters say their prayers. 
 
ਛੁਰੀ ਵਗਾਇਨਿ ਤਿਨ ਗਲਿ ਤਾਗ  
छुरी वगाइनि तिन गलि ताग ॥ 
Cẖẖurī vagā▫in ṯin gal ṯāg. 
Those who wield the knife wear the sacred thread around their necks. 
 
ਤਿਨ ਘਰਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਣ ਪੂਰਹਿ ਨਾਦ  
तिन घरि ब्रहमण पूरहि नाद ॥ 
Ŧin gẖar barahmaṇ pūrėh nāḏ. 
In their homes, the Brahmins sound the conch. 
 
ਉਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਭਿ ਆਵਹਿ ਓਈ ਸਾਦ  
उन्हा भि आवहि ओई साद ॥ 
Unĥā bẖė āvahi o▫ī sāḏ. 
They too have the same taste. 
 
ਕੂੜੀ ਰਾਸਿ ਕੂੜਾ ਵਾਪਾਰੁ  
कूड़ी रासि कूड़ा वापारु ॥ 
Kūṛī rās kūṛā vāpār. 
False is their capital, and false is their trade. 
 
ਕੂੜੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਆਹਾਰੁ  
कूड़ु बोलि करहि आहारु ॥ 
Kūṛ bol karahi āhār. 
Speaking falsehood, they take their food. 
 
ਸਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਕਾ ਡੇਰਾ ਦੂਰਿ  
सरम धरम का डेरा दूरि ॥ 
Saram ḏẖaram kā derā ḏūr. 
The home of modesty and Dharma is far from them. 
 
ਨਾਨਕ ਕੂੜੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰਿ  
नानक कूड़ु रहिआ भरपूरि ॥ 
Nānak kūṛ rahi▫ā bẖarpūr. 
O Nanak, they are totally permeated with falsehood. 
 
ਮਥੈ ਟਿਕਾ ਤੇੜਿ ਧੋਤੀ ਕਖਾਈ  
मथै टिका तेड़ि धोती कखाई ॥ 
Mathai tikā ṯeṛ ḏẖoṯī kakẖā▫ī. 
The sacred marks are on their foreheads, and the saffron loin-cloths are around their waists; 
 

ਹਥਿ ਛੁਰੀ ਜਗਤ ਕਾਸਾਈ  
हथि छुरी जगत कासाई ॥ 
Hath cẖẖurī jagaṯ kāsā▫ī. 
in their hands they hold the knives - they are the butchers of the world! 

ਨੀਲ ਵਸਤ੍ਰ ਪਹਿਰਿ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ  
नील वसत्र पहिरि होवहि परवाणु ॥ 
Nīl vasṯar pahir hovėh parvāṇ. 
Wearing blue robes, they seek the approval of the Muslim rulers. 
 
ਮਲੇਛ ਧਾਨੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਪੁਰਾਣੁ  
मलेछ धानु ले पूजहि पुराणु ॥ 
Malecẖẖ ḏẖān le pūjėh purāṇ. 
Accepting bread from the Muslim rulers, they still worship the Puraanas. 
 
ਅਭਾਖਿਆ ਕਾ ਕੁਠਾ ਬਕਰਾ ਖਾਣਾ  
अभाखिआ का कुठा बकरा खाणा ॥ 
Abẖākẖi▫ā kā kuṯẖā bakrā kẖāṇā. 
They eat the meat of the goats, killed after the Muslim prayers are read over them, 
 
ਚਉਕੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਕਿਸੈ  ਜਾਣਾ  
चउके उपरि किसै न जाणा ॥ 
Cẖa▫uke upar kisai na jāṇā. 
but they do not allow anyone else to enter their kitchen areas. 
 
ਦੇ ਕੈ ਚਉਕਾ ਕਢੀ ਕਾਰ  
दे कै चउका कढी कार ॥ 
Ḏe kai cẖa▫ukā kadẖī kār. 
They draw lines around them, plastering the ground with cow-dung. 
 
ਉਪਰਿ ਆਇ ਬੈਠੇ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ  
उपरि आइ बैठे कूड़िआर ॥ 
Upar ā▫e baiṯẖe kūṛi▫ār. 
The false come and sit within them. 
 
ਮਤੁ ਭਿਟੈ ਵੇ ਮਤੁ ਭਿਟੈ  
मतु भिटै वे मतु भिटै ॥ 
Maṯ bẖitai ve maṯ bẖitai. 
They cry out, "Do not touch our food, 
 
ਇਹੁ ਅੰਨੁ ਅਸਾਡਾ ਫਿਟੈ  
इहु अंनु असाडा फिटै ॥ 
Ih ann asādā fitai. 
this food of ours will be polluted! 
 
ਤਨਿ ਫਿਟੈ ਫੇੜ ਕਰੇਨਿ  
तनि फिटै फेड़ करेनि ॥ 
Ŧan fitai feṛ karen. 
But with their polluted bodies, they commit evil deeds. 
 
ਮਨਿ ਜੂਠੈ ਚੁਲੀ ਭਰੇਨਿ  
मनि जूठै चुली भरेनि ॥ 
Man jūṯẖai cẖulī bẖaren. 
With filthy minds, they try to cleanse their mouths. 
 
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ  
कहु नानक सचु धिआईऐ ॥ 
Kaho Nānak sacẖ ḏẖi▫ā▫ī▫ai. 
Says Nanak, meditate on the True Lord. 
 
ਸੁਚਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੨॥ 
सुचि होवै ता सचु पाईऐ ॥२॥ 
Sucẖ hovai ṯā sacẖ pā▫ī▫ai. ||2|| 
If you are pure, you will obtain the True Lord. ||2|| 
11 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Are they actually preaching it or just telling someone that they cut their hair for "X", reason?

look when people say you should shave or trim your beard, or cut your hair - then it is preaching is it not? Family members and friends etc...

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28 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

look when people say you should shave or trim your beard, or cut your hair - then it is preaching is it not? Family members and friends etc...

isn't trimming  beard a trend of uk sikhs? lol

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1 hour ago, 5akaalsingh said:

isn't trimming  beard a trend of uk sikhs? lol

of course. But I reckon the east african sikhs brought this trend in more strongly. The fathers and grandfathers had colonial british raj army soldier obeying fixofied beards and the sons in an imitation of this had trim or tramline beards.

 

It has spread to everyone else now as well.

 

And something super strange is happening. now sikh boys in uk and india are copying the hipster look. So now they are GROWING their beards but still keeping a haircut with no turban.

 

WHAT KIND OF RIDICULOUSNESS IS THIS????

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56 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

of course. But I reckon the east african sikhs brought this trend in more strongly. The fathers and grandfathers had colonial british raj army soldier obeying fixofied beards and the sons in an imitation of this had trim or tramline beards.

 

It has spread to everyone else now as well.

 

And something super strange is happening. now sikh boys in uk and india are copying the hipster look. So now they are GROWING their beards but still keeping a haircut with no turban.

 

WHAT KIND OF RIDICULOUSNESS IS THIS????

I think actually this trend has punjabi origins. Of course Sikhs started tying their beards on order of the British, but punjabi jatts also have a tendency towards trimming their beards or even shaving. At least in the UK, Sikhs keep their hair, whereas in Punjab they get them cut.

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