No apologies required.
Just to let you know where I'm coming from, Bhai Gurdas ji says when you become a bemukh, even if you come back to the Guru, the stain remains:
ਜੈਸੇ ਘਾਉ ਘਾਇਲ ਕੋ ਜਤਨ ਕੈ ਨੀਕੋ ਹੋਤ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਟਿ ਜਾਇਲੀਕ ਮਿਟਤ ਨ ਪੇਖੀਐ ।
Just as the wound gets cured with medicine and the pain also vanishes, but the scar of the wound is never seen to vanish.
ਜੈਸੇ ਫਾਟੇ ਅੰਬਰੋ ਸੀਆਇ ਪੁਨਿ ਓਢੀਅਤ ਨਾਗੋ ਤਉ ਨ ਹੋਇ ਤਊ ਥੇਗਰੀ ਪਰੇਖੀਐ ।
Just as a torn cloth stitched and worn does not bare the body but the seam of the stitch is visible and conspicuous.
ਜੈਸੇ ਟੂਟੈ ਬਾਸਨੁ ਸਵਾਰ ਦੇਤ ਹੈ ਠਠੇਰੋ ਗਿਰਤ ਨ ਪਾਨੀ ਪੈ ਗਠੀਲੋ ਭੇਖ ਭੇਖੀਐ ।
Just as a broken utensil is repaired by coppersmith and even the water does not leak from it, but it is repaired form stays.
ਤੈਸੇ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਨਿ ਬਿਮੁਖ ਦੁਖ ਦੇਖਿ ਪੁਨਿ ਸਰਨ ਗਹੇ ਪੁਨੀਤ ਪੈ ਕਲੰਕੁ ਲੇਖ ਲੇਖੀਐ ॥੪੧੯॥
Similarly, a disciple who has turned away from the holy feet of the True Guru comes back to the Guru's refuge when he feels the pain of his actions. Although he is freed of his sins and becomes pious, yet the .blemish of his apostasy remains. (419)
ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ : ਕਬਿੱਤ ੪੧੯ ਪੰ. ੪
The Katha was Taksali based if that makes it any easier for you to understand where I was coming from. They have a certain flavour and way of explaining things. With Taksalis sometimes it's the small things that stick with you, and it's amazing how just hearing something once has the ability to change your soch, hell even your speech pattern!
I completely get what you mean though. Guess it was just a misunderstanding, apologies brother.
I have sympathy for your approach, and I'm also not saying you're wrong. All I'm saying is (in my experience), the majority of Sikhs speak of "breaking Amrit" or ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਤੋੜਨਾ. An alternative way of phrasing things that might be acceptable to you is "breaking your Amrit vows" or "breaking your Amrit lifestyle".
As far as the original poster denigrating Amrit and Amritdharis, yes, I agree that wrong acts by some Amritdharis does not mean you can just badmouth Amritdharis as a group.
My post was actually based on Katha, and so was originally narrated in Punjabi but thanks for the explanation. Personally I know nothing brother, I was merely talking about what I was told. What I was told made sense to me, if it doesn't to you then i can't really do anything about that. The Katha was about how Amrit has been reduced in status if you will, the Mahaanta given to Amrit. Not saying you're wrong but we all see it with a different perspective. Amrit is unbreakable.
This is partly a matter of semantics. If one commits a bajjar kurehat they're on suspension.
We're probably not gonna agree on this point because I don't believe Amrit can be "broken". And to say so, is wrong in my book.
Or he was quite clearly slamming Amrit and Amritdharis. He said taking Amrit is fake. If you still think he's concerned why don't you counsel him? To me it actually seems he had all the answers to his questions in his own mind, they all seemed rhetorical.
His post wasn't exactly the kind you'd expect to find on a thread about an individual who is planning on taking Amrit now is it?