How can we educate sikhs who go to hindu mandirs ? ... How about using reverse psychology ?

[dallysingh101 1,503]

21 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

where's our hyper masculine identity when our young girls get lured by cutbullahs in UK and elsewhere ?

That's the whole point. The reason this is happening is because SIkh men are not acting like men. Then people like you jumping in, normalising effete, camp behaviour, just adds to the problem. 

[AjeetSinghPunjabi 214]

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

That's the whole point. The reason this is happening is because SIkh men are not acting like men. Then people like you jumping in, normalising effete, camp behaviour, just adds to the problem. 

So now faggs like me are a convenient trash bin to throw the failures of kaum on. Right! 

Reminds me of an incident from 12 yrs back when i was new in a sikh college. The other 6 feet tall, strapping young sikh lad sad ,pointing to me, albeit jokingly "because of this guys we face issues in panth"lol yeah we pansies were also responsible for rss,  indira,  47 blunder and wat not. 

Man up nd own to ur mistakes rather than throwing them on pansies

Also @dallysingh101 please don't mind me saying  but if you were so concerned abt issues facing panth, u wud start with urself by keeping kes. "be the change you wish to see in the world"

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[dallysingh101 1,503]

12 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

So now faggs like me are a convenient trash bin to throw the failures of kaum on. Right! 

Reminds me of an incident from 12 yrs back when i was new in a sikh college. The other 6 feet tall, strapping young sikh lad sad ,pointing to me, albeit jokingly "because of this guys we face issues in panth"lol yeah we pansies were also responsible for rss,  indira,  47 blunder and wat not. 

Man up nd own to ur mistakes rather than throwing them on pansies

Also @dallysingh101 please don't mind me saying  but if you were so concerned abt issues facing panth, u wud start with urself by keeping kes. "be the change you wish to see in the world"

Stop with the attention seeking ffs! 

There is serious stuff going on in the UK right now. 

[Akalifauj 704]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Stop with the attention seeking ffs! 

There is serious stuff going on in the UK right now. 

Your a 40 year old insulting everyone.  You sitting on this forum all day.  Get a day job and stop living off of welfare cheques.  

[Akalifauj 704]

On 09/07/2017 at 10:04 AM, Big_Tera said:

Were your ancestors not Hindu? Why treat Hindus and Hinduism so badly. 

Unless you would really like to be  Hindu instead. Im sure you probably look like one.

He quoted gurbani.  Your ancestors are monkeys according to science.  So go marry your family off to them.  You are very dim.  He's talking about jeevan.  Learn to read.

[Big_Tera 312]

3 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

He quoted gurbani.  Your ancestors are monkeys according to science.  So go marry your family off to them.  You are very dim.  He's talking about jeevan.  Learn to read.

Dont bring family into this you stinking pile of dirt. 

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[Akalifauj 704]

1 hour ago, Big_Tera said:

Dont bring family into this you stinking pile of dirt. 

You insulted my family. He quoted Gurbani and you call it insulting HIndus.  Time to wake up and stop suppressing gurbani for your social life.  

[dallysingh101 1,503]

3 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Your a 40 year old insulting everyone.  You sitting on this forum all day.  Get a day job and stop living off of welfare cheques.  

What are welfare cheques? I'm self employed. 

You should try and finish school and get some life experience before you open your mouth maybe?

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[Akalifauj 704]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

What are welfare cheques? I'm self employed. 

You should try and finish school and get some life experience before you open your mouth maybe?

Moni ji sitting on ss all day is not self employed.  Your life experience is sitting at computers insulting Sikh youth.  Always talking tough.  You are the very definition of internet warrior.  Giddar da putt moni ji.....

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[Akalifauj 704]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

What are welfare cheques? I'm self employed. 

You should try and finish school and get some life experience before you open your mouth maybe?

Once again moni is trying to flex is fingers.  Always doing internet warrior exercises.  This guy has nothing and is nothing.  He's been distorting Sikh history for over 20 years.  He cries like a <banned word filter activated> all day long on this forum.  Moni, self employed, I had a huge laugh.  He's still living off of his parents at 40 something.

[Sukhvirk1976 139]

On 09/07/2017 at 10:03 AM, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

It is always particularly disturbing for me to see a sikh go to any other religious place except a gurudwara . I don't wish to sound fanatic , but the way some (or many?) sikhs go to hindu mandirs , esp durga is particularly disturbing. 

When you have contact with CEO , would you butter a manager ? nopes. when our guru showed us the path to true parbrahm waheguru , then why do we go to the hindu devi devte who're mere creations of waheguru ji .

You would never see a muslim or christian or even a buddhist visit a hindu mandir ? why then it is our sikhs who go and bow to the idols of durga in mandirs when Guru Gobind Singh ji in his zaffarnama clearly stated 

"I vanquished the vicious hill chiefs, they were idol-worshippers and I am idol-breaker." (verse 95) 

In tav prasad chaupai Guru sahib says 

"Anhad roop anahad baani . Charan Saran jeh basat bhavani" 

(Lord's form is limitless and speech is unstruck sound . In his feet, even the goddess durga (bhavani) takes refuge)

How foolish of a sikh to go and worship idol of someone who herself has taken a refuge in the feet of the lord ? How can such sikhs even justify it ?

BTW , the guy I am specifically talking about is half-hindu in the sense that maybe his mom is hindu and so is his wife. He keeps a turban and trimmed beard. 

But , its not about HIM alone. There're many such people in our community who has more sharda on this created hindu devi devte than the shabad Guru.

Its disgusting beyond words .

So whilst sikhi welcomes all, our gurdwaras have char dwaar, welcoming everyone. Are We to believe we should not visit any other spiritual places?

 yet accept that our  places, will be truly welcoming to all people, having some kind of superiority complex?  does God not rest everywhere.

Did not guru nanak dev ji visit all places of knowledge which often meant religious centres.

He was respectful yet was able to tare through the through shallowness and hypocrisy of some people, the so called guardians of faiths, he challenged challenged the way these people who with a veneer of respectability to manipulate and propagate hate, create walls not just with other people. But with the truth itself. 

But worse than them are the sheep, who through sheer idiocy and ignorance will contort a message of beauty and truth. They reflect their own short comings. 

What is really disgusting is people who do nindya by quoting verse in the laziest out of context imaginable. 

Anyway I digress talking about such nindaks. 

It's worth considering another  spiritual principle laid out in stone, in the very architecture of our pre-eminent gurdwara, harmindir Sahib, yes (har mandir),  to which you step down into the parikarma in  a demonstration of Humility..

BTW ,  ironically, to yourself to have fundamentally misunderstood sikhi! If you believe Akal is ceo and their are lesser gods or as you put it then you do not understand.

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[Sukhvirk1976 139]

On 09/07/2017 at 10:57 AM, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Guru Gobind Singh ji maharaj in one of his 52 hukams said "Follow gurbani , but study scriptures of other religions as well".

How else can we arm ourselves in ideological debates. Remember, war will not always be by shastar , its also about war of ideology.

Maharaj knew what he were talking about. 

Guru maharaj definitely knew what he was talking about but do you? 

War ideology.. Your absolutely right. Which is why sikhi strips away ideology it doesn't promote creating a competitive ideological framework.. 

Tisarpanth means outside of dichotomy 

[Kira 1,075]

3 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

So whilst sikhi welcomes all, our gurdwaras have char dwaar, welcoming everyone. Are We to believe we should not visit any other spiritual places?

 yet accept that our  places, will be truly welcoming to all people, having some kind of superiority complex?  does God not rest everywhere.

Did not guru nanak dev ji visit all places of knowledge which often meant religious centres.

He was respectful yet was able to tare through the through shallowness and hypocrisy of some people, the so called guardians of faiths, he challenged challenged the way these people who with a veneer of respectability to manipulate and propagate hate, create walls not just with other people. But with the truth itself. 

But worse than them are the sheep, who through sheer idiocy and ignorance will contort a message of beauty and truth. They reflect their own short comings. 

What is really disgusting is people who do nindya by quoting verse in the laziest out of context imaginable. 

Anyway I digress talking about such nindaks. 

It's worth considering another  spiritual principle laid out in stone, in the very architecture of our pre-eminent gurdwara, harmindir Sahib, yes (har mandir),  to which you step down into the parikarma in  a demonstration of Humility..

BTW ,  ironically, to yourself to have fundamentally misunderstood sikhi! If you believe Akal is ceo and their are lesser gods or as you put it then you do not understand.

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Have you ever even bothered reading Gurbani? like in any context whatsoever? OP hasn't not taken any of it out of context. Visiting Religious sites is fine, but going there and bashing your head against the stones and proclaiming the certain deity of that temple is lord is really contrary to Gurmat. Those people are fools, and those aren't even my words, they're the words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. You've attempted to indirectly shame OP for something he's taken directly from Gurmukh and thus are now saying Guru Sahib was not respectful? Sorry to break it to you sunshine but Guru Sahib gave credit when it was due but also pointed out their shortcomings as well.

ਤਾ ਕੌ ਕਰਿ ਪਾਹਨ ਅਨੁਮਾਨਤ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਮੂੜ ਕਛੁ ਭੇਦ ਨ ਜਾਨਤ ॥ ਮਹਾਦੇਵ ਕੌ ਕਹਤ ਸਦਾ ਸਿਵ ॥ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਕਾ ਚੀਨਤ ਨਹਿ ਭਿਵ ॥੩੯੨॥

see that word in Gurbani? it literally means great fool. Maybe you should also read Shabad Hazare P10 as well (no im not going to paste it fully here, Don't be lazy and go and read it, unless reading the Gurmukhi script is too hard for you), that's an entire bani warning Sikhs, calling out the hypocrisy and ego of Devtas and why worshipping them (in any contest by anyone) is pointless. Devtas aren't "gods" or even "God" they're simply higher spiritual life-forms. God runs the universe but he also puts the universe to its respected to tasks and assigns everyone a role to play. A playwright with countless actors and countless faces.

So much virtue signalling from someone who claims things are taken out of "context" but can't even sit there and do his own translations or read Gurbani itself. If you did then you'd know nothing was taken out of context. 

 

3 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Guru maharaj definitely knew what he was talking about but do you? 

War ideology.. Your absolutely right. Which is why sikhi strips away ideology it doesn't promote creating a competitive ideological framework.. 

Tisarpanth means outside of dichotomy 

 

This is becoming a habit for you I see, the word here is You're not Your. Once again, proper grammar is a good tool to have.

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[dallysingh101 1,503]

6 minutes ago, Kira said:

Have you ever even bothered reading Gurbani? like in any context whatsoever?

He can't read Gurmukhi, so he'd only be able to access translations sadly. 

[Kira 1,075]

5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

He can't read Gurmukhi, so he'd only be able to access translations sadly. 

So why on earth is he coming here and lecturing others about Gurmukhi and Gurbani? The very foundation of the Sikhi is Gurbani, it can't exist without it, The Shabad Guru is our Lord and Master's form. That's akin to going on a Christian site and lecturing them on the bible despite never reading it first hand. 

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[dallysingh101 1,503]

13 minutes ago, Kira said:

So why on earth is he coming here and lecturing others about Gurmukhi and Gurbani? The very foundation of the Sikhi is Gurbani, it can't exist without it, The Shabad Guru is our Lord and Master's form. That's akin to going on a Christian site and lecturing them on the bible despite never reading it first hand. 

Thing with xtianity is that they've okayed translations of the bible (usually King James) as the full central canon of their faith, I think some confused brothers and sisters who've grown up in the west, think they can access Sikhi like that.

You can't remotely compare reading an English translation of bani with experiencing it in its original form. 

[Kira 1,075]

3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Thing with xtianity is that they've okayed translations of the bible (usually King James) as the full central canon of their faith, I think some confused brothers and sisters who've grown up in the west, think they can access Sikhi like that.

You can't remotely compare reading an English translation of bani with experiencing it in its original form. 

it was an example bro but even a standardised version isn't comparable to the "ye old" Latin texts.  The real treasures are the pieces of the bible pre-Constantine the Great eras imo. The whole fiasco with Jesus being a celibate is a prime example of this.

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[dallysingh101 1,503]

7 minutes ago, Kira said:

it was an example bro but even a standardised version isn't comparable to the "ye old" Latin texts.  The real treasures are the pieces of the bible pre-Constantine the Great eras imo. The whole fiasco with Jesus being a celibate is a prime example of this.

I must confess I know next to nothing about this stuff. 

 

But the way bani is experienced seems very different to the bible too. Asides from psalms,it seems like blank prose to be semantically decoded, not sung and experienced like bani? 

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[Sukhvirk1976 139]

7 hours ago, Kira said:

Have you ever even bothered reading Gurbani? like in any context whatsoever? OP hasn't not taken any of it out of context. Visiting Religious sites is fine, but going there and bashing your head against the stones and proclaiming the certain deity of that temple is lord is really contrary to Gurmat. Those people are fools, and those aren't even my words, they're the words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. You've attempted to indirectly shame OP for something he's taken directly from Gurmukh and thus are now saying Guru Sahib was not respectful? Sorry to break it to you sunshine but Guru Sahib gave credit when it was due but also pointed out their shortcomings as well.

ਤਾ ਕੌ ਕਰਿ ਪਾਹਨ ਅਨੁਮਾਨਤ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਮੂੜ ਕਛੁ ਭੇਦ ਨ ਜਾਨਤ ॥ ਮਹਾਦੇਵ ਕੌ ਕਹਤ ਸਦਾ ਸਿਵ ॥ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਕਾ ਚੀਨਤ ਨਹਿ ਭਿਵ ॥੩੯੨॥

see that word in Gurbani? it literally means great fool. Maybe you should also read Shabad Hazare P10 as well (no im not going to paste it fully here, Don't be lazy and go and read it, unless reading the Gurmukhi script is too hard for you), that's an entire bani warning Sikhs, calling out the hypocrisy and ego of Devtas and why worshipping them (in any contest by anyone) is pointless. Devtas aren't "gods" or even "God" they're simply higher spiritual life-forms. God runs the universe but he also puts the universe to its respected to tasks and assigns everyone a role to play. A playwright with countless actors and countless faces.

So much virtue signalling from someone who claims things are taken out of "context" but can't even sit there and do his own translations or read Gurbani itself. If you did then you'd know nothing was taken out of context. 

 

 

This is becoming a habit for you I see, the word here is You're not Your. Once again, proper grammar is a good tool to have.

So is free thinking,  so please take your faux rage and do one. 

 

[ipledgeblue 48]

7 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Thing with xtianity is that they've okayed translations of the bible (usually King James) as the full central canon of their faith, I think some confused brothers and sisters who've grown up in the west, think they can access Sikhi like that.

You can't remotely compare reading an English translation of bani with experiencing it in its original form. 

If they think they can access sikhi like that, then they will get a warped version. However the christians bible translations in English are just warped and propaganda like King James or Good News.

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[Kira 1,075]

1 hour ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

So is free thinking,  so please take your faux rage and do one. 

 

No one's raging, I  just called you out on your nonsense. You've not even bothered learning Gurmukhi but you seem to take it on yourself to lecture others about it. You accused others to taking things out of contexts but you've never even bothered reading the context. You harp on about Nindaks but you're in the same boat being a huge hypocrite. Feel free to lecture others about free thinking after you have the tools to do it, A child isn't going to lecture a professor on the differential calculus without having actually mastered the concepts himself (no this isn't an analogy for you and I, its an example). Free thinking my <banned word filter activated>, by that absurd logic even non-sikhs with no Gurbani knowledge can "free think" about Sikhi and start who knows bastardising concepts. 

Maybe learn the texts before coming on here to lecture others about what's right and what's wrong.

[AjeetSinghPunjabi 214]

3 hours ago, singhnihk said:

The more enlightened christians have realised this and converted to other religions, mainly islam. Sikh religion has been misinterpreted too much too many times by too many people. Its followers are not consistent with its teachings at all.  You just have to visit youtube and sikh temples all over the world to witness this. Sikhism and its followers are fusing together with other religions of the world at the moment, mainly islam. You see many sikhs intermarrying and converting, this is surely not a sign of healthy religion or its followers!  Sikhs have many issues amongst their followers as well as with (Gyaanies) those that preach, so, for an outsider like myself, it can be very confusing. Better to follow something that has consistency amongst its followers. It is so easy point fingers or point out weaknesses relating to other religions but you must not forget while you are busy doing this your own religion 'sikhism' is suffering at the hands of those that are powerful as well as who,actually belong to this religion.  Don't also forget in most cases the damage done is irreparable.

I think turban is wat many men find cumbersome to wear daily. Thats not how it shud be unfortunately