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How can we educate sikhs who go to hindu mandirs ? ... How about using reverse psychology ?

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It is always particularly disturbing for me to see a sikh go to any other religious place except a gurudwara . I don't wish to sound fanatic , but the way some (or many?) sikhs go to hindu mandirs , esp durga is particularly disturbing. 

When you have contact with CEO , would you butter a manager ? nopes. when our guru showed us the path to true parbrahm waheguru , then why do we go to the hindu devi devte who're mere creations of waheguru ji .

You would never see a muslim or christian or even a buddhist visit a hindu mandir ? why then it is our sikhs who go and bow to the idols of durga in mandirs when Guru Gobind Singh ji in his zaffarnama clearly stated 

"I vanquished the vicious hill chiefs, they were idol-worshippers and I am idol-breaker." (verse 95) 

In tav prasad chaupai Guru sahib says 

"Anhad roop anahad baani . Charan Saran jeh basat bhavani" 

(Lord's form is limitless and speech is unstruck sound . In his feet, even the goddess durga (bhavani) takes refuge)

How foolish of a sikh to go and worship idol of someone who herself has taken a refuge in the feet of the lord ? How can such sikhs even justify it ?

BTW , the guy I am specifically talking about is half-hindu in the sense that maybe his mom is hindu and so is his wife. He keeps a turban and trimmed beard. 

But , its not about HIM alone. There're many such people in our community who has more sharda on this created hindu devi devte than the shabad Guru.

Its disgusting beyond words .

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You know the more you give a lecture to someone, the more stubborn they end up becoming. 

So if you tell these semi-sikh semi-hindu peeps that they're not truly following guru's teachings, they will rather do it more and move even further from Sikhi .

Reverse psychology works this way : 

If a hindu were to insist a sikh to worship hindu gods , fanatically insist , then see how that sikh moves even further from worshipping a hindu god.

People don't like to be lectured... even though it might be good for them . Unfortunately 

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They don't require education about the norms of Sikh worship. They're fully aware of their actions. They just don't see the problem with what they're doing. It's a combination of family and cultural hang-ups, religious apathy, and general laziness. 

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3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

They don't require education about the norms of Sikh worship. They're fully aware of their actions. They just don't see the problem with what they're doing. It's a combination of family and cultural hang-ups, religious apathy, and general laziness. 

It makes my skin crawl whenever a hindu tells me how SGGS gives shiva, vishnu, and other hindu gods their "due place".(misinterpreting of words shiva vishnu etc ) OR when they tell me to "Go read SGGS. Shiv ji and vishnu ji are mentioned therein". 

As if we owe them a respect in our religion . From my experience with hindus on this matter, I have drawn the inference that they're either ignorant of the truth , or purposely furthering their nefarious agenda. 

However am I a fool to say the former is more likely than the latter, i.e most of them harbor no ill intention and are just having little understanding of depth of gurbani ,

but with right-wing hindutva hindus who have an agenda , when I try to make them understand , these right-wing hinduists claim I make a wild interpretation of gurbani , quickly tossed with the word "Khalistani" for me. 

Apparently , sooner than later, any sikh who insists on his identity independent of baahmanwaad will be seen as a "Khalistani".

This is how you eliminate a people . Branding them terrorist is easier to wipe them. 

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Guru Gobind Singh ji maharaj in one of his 52 hukams said "Follow gurbani , but study scriptures of other religions as well".

How else can we arm ourselves in ideological debates. Remember, war will not always be by shastar , its also about war of ideology.

Maharaj knew what he were talking about. 

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7 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

It is always particularly disturbing for me to see a sikh go to any other religious place except a gurudwara . I don't wish to sound fanatic , but the way some (or many?) sikhs go to hindu mandirs , esp durga is particularly disturbing. 

When you have contact with CEO , would you butter a manager ? nopes. when our guru showed us the path to true parbrahm waheguru , then why do we go to the hindu devi devte who're mere creations of waheguru ji .

You would never see a muslim or christian or even a buddhist visit a hindu mandir ? why then it is our sikhs who go and bow to the idols of durga in mandirs when Guru Gobind Singh ji in his zaffarnama clearly stated 

"I vanquished the vicious hill chiefs, they were idol-worshippers and I am idol-breaker." (verse 95) 

In tav prasad chaupai Guru sahib says 

"Anhad roop anahad baani . Charan Saran jeh basat bhavani" 

(Lord's form is limitless and speech is unstruck sound . In his feet, even the goddess durga (bhavani) takes refuge)

How foolish of a sikh to go and worship idol of someone who herself has taken a refuge in the feet of the lord ? How can such sikhs even justify it ?

BTW , the guy I am specifically talking about is half-hindu in the sense that maybe his mom is hindu and so is his wife. He keeps a turban and trimmed beard. 

But , its not about HIM alone. There're many such people in our community who has more sharda on this created hindu devi devte than the shabad Guru.

Its disgusting beyond words .

Were your ancestors not Hindu? Why treat Hindus and Hinduism so badly. 

Unless you would really like to be  Hindu instead. Im sure you probably look like one.

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1 minute ago, Big_Tera said:

Were your ancestors not Hindu? Why treat Hindus and Hinduism so badly. 

Unless you would really like to be  Hindu instead. Im sure you probably look like one.

Were your ancestors not hindu ?? this is the same kind of argument sanghis make . Most likely you're one undercover hindutva agent lol. BTW hinduism and hindutva are two different things just like islam and islamism . 

I don't look hindu. I wear turban and have beard. Nowhere have I treated hindus or hinduism badly. Unless you're with your head in deep sand, its easy to see how the right-wingers plot against us 

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IF they are just going INSIDE mandir then nothing wrong. but obviously they are probably worshipping idols which isn't the way for nirguna pooja. We respect sarguna, but don't do pooja of this sort. The only chandi pooja we do is practising pf sword in sri bhagauti. to worship in standing idol form is useless for us.

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8 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Were your ancestors not hindu ?? this is the same kind of argument sanghis make . Most likely you're one undercover hindutva agent lol. BTW hinduism and hindutva are two different things just like islam and islamism . 

I don't look hindu. I wear turban and have beard. Nowhere have I treated hindus or hinduism badly. Unless you're with your head in deep sand, its easy to see how the right-wingers plot against us 

Just for the record. I'd rather have a Hindu Panjabi in the family than [DELETED- Paji due to rules on forum please refrain from posting such slurs in future. Thank you]

Let's ask that question to the wider sangat. What would you find easier to accept? 

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6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Just for the record. I'd rather have a Hindu Panjabi in the family than a gandu with a dastaar. 

Let's ask that question to the wider sangat. What would you find easier to accept? 

Reported for using homophobic and vulgar slangs 

Beta , tere inni mircha kyu lagiya ? I was referring to sikhs who go to temples. And I wasn't even abusive to hinduism or hindu gods in my post.

Where do you owe your allegiance , it is clear ! 

Also you better stop referring to my sexuality again and again . Debate me with logically rather than making personal attacks.

[DELETED]

So that term doesn't really applies to me . See you're now forcing me to be vulgar just like you're . 

Actually just get lost , don't talk to me ever again.

I would take gurbani as the parameter and not the wider sangat to decide on an issue.

@MisterrSingh , Can we report this RSS guy here ? he's been attacking me personally on my orientation since day one. 

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6 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

IF they are just going INSIDE mandir then nothing wrong. but obviously they are probably worshipping idols which isn't the way for nirguna pooja. We respect sarguna, but don't do pooja of this sort. The only chandi pooja we do is practising pf sword in sri bhagauti. to worship in standing idol form is useless for us.

well said 

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14 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Reported for using homophobic and vulgar slangs 

 

@MisterrSingh , Can we report this RSS guy here ? he's been attacking me personally on my orientation since day one. 

It's okay for you to go off on monay and Hindus though. Get a taste of your own medicine boy. 

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16 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Where do you owe your allegiance , it is clear ! 

You think I should have some sort of allegiance to homosexuality? 

Are you sure those Hindus you hate aren't ripping into you because you are acting effeminate? And don't try and deny that you do. You admitted as much when you first come on the forum, then lately you're claiming otherwise. 

But then maybe many gay people aren't actually aware of when they are acting 'camp' or don't have much of an idea of how it looks to non gay men? 

Just for literary and historical interest (for those into these things): the term g@ndu (which has offended Ajeet)  is actually used a few times in Rattan Bhangu's Panth Prakash. Just a interesting little tidbit there. 

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2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

@AjeetSinghPunjabi

 

Just for literary and historical interest (for those into these things): the term g@ndu (which has offended Ajeet)  is actually used a few times in Rattan Bhangu's Panth Prakash. Just a interesting little tidbit there. 

So now ur mixing your homophobia in Sikh history. 

Is there any limit to how much u lie. I didn't find anything u mentioned in panth parkash

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9 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

So now ur mixing your homophobia in Sikh history. 

Is there any limit to how much u lie. I didn't find anything u mentioned in panth parkash

You must have done a half-ar5ed job if you missed it. I'll try and find them again for you when I get some time. 

And look, I haven't got a problem with homosexuality. But given where I am right now, (in the UK), I do have a big problem with ANY Sikh men acting effeminate, even more so if they are wearing a dastaar. It just sends out a weak message and men from other communities respond accordingly. 

Thank Waheguru you are not here. 

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23 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

You must have done a half-ar5ed job if you missed it. I'll try and find them again for you when I get some time. 

And look, I haven't got a problem with homosexuality. But given where I am right now, (in the UK), I do have a big problem with ANY Sikh men acting effeminate, even more so if they are wearing a dastaar. It just sends out a weak message and men from other communities respond accordingly. 

Thank Waheguru you are not here. 

I agree and I am pro gay goo rights ect. When men start acting like women in Sikh saroop it's not a good outlook. On top of spiritual aspect, when someone is initiated with Khande di pahul, you're literally a soldier in Khalsa and should act as such. Debated a couple sulleh from UK a while back and average hippy lib apna would have said ve are believings 1 luv we r sorry for offendings joo. I was pretty direct and told him straight same things I would post here and in end he apologized and said he respected Sikhs.

When you have abrahamic faiths who don't understand prema bhagti and prem in general - they only respect tribal alpha maleness.

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1 minute ago, Singh559 said:

I agree and I am pro gay goo rights ect. When men start acting like women in Sikh saroop it's not a good outlook. On top of spiritual aspect, when someone is initiated with Khande di pahul, you're literally a soldier in Khalsa and should act as such. Debated a couple <banned word filter activated> from UK a while back and average hippy lib apna would have said ve are believings 1 luv we r sorry for offendings joo. I was pretty direct and told him straight same things I would post here and in end he apologized and said he respected Sikhs.

When you have abrahamic faiths who don't understand prema bhagti and prem in general - they only respect tribal alpha maleness.

Let's be real too. Dasmesh pita made a hyper-masculine identity with the Khalsa. One that led blokes to smack jihadis into oblivion despite being heavily outnumbered and outresourced. 

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Just now, dallysingh101 said:

Let's be real too. Dasmesh pita made a hyper-masculine identity with the Khalsa. One that led blokes to smack jihadis into oblivion despite being heavily outnumbered and outresourced. 

Exactly, this new pseudo-feminist movement that is discouraging men from being men is infiltrating psyche of even keshdhari Sikhs into feeling guilty for this bakhshish of Guru Sahib. Problem with hyper-masculine identity is when we are uneducated in worldly and spiritual.

Honestly don't mind seeing even a bit of unchecked hypermasculination of our generation - we definitely need it.

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2 minutes ago, Singh559 said:

Exactly, this new pseudo-feminist movement that is discouraging men from being men is infiltrating psyche of even keshdhari Sikhs into feeling guilty for this bakhshish of Guru Sahib. Problem with hyper-masculine identity is when we are uneducated in worldly and spiritual.

Honestly don't mind seeing even a bit of unchecked hypermasculination of our generation - we definitely need it.

This is the consequence of white man's long term plan for us. First disarm us and destroy our economic independence , then distort our religion to make it weak (i.e. from Sikhi to 'Sikhism'), promote low IQ culture of drinking and barn-dancing as a norm, and now the last stroke - turn men into he-b1tches. 

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19 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

You must have done a half-ar5ed job if you missed it. I'll try and find them again for you when I get some time. 

And look, I haven't got a problem with homosexuality. But given where I am right now, (in the UK), I do have a big problem with ANY Sikh men acting effeminate, even more so if they are wearing a dastaar. It just sends out a weak message and men from other communities respond accordingly. 

Thank Waheguru you are not here. 

Btw may I ask whats ur age ? because such homophobic attitudes certainly aren't common among britain's youth, as per polls.

Are you above 60 ? 

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21 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Let's be real too. Dasmesh pita made a hyper-masculine identity with the Khalsa. One that led blokes to smack jihadis into oblivion despite being heavily outnumbered and outresourced. 

where's our hyper masculine identity when our young girls get lured by cutbullahs in UK and elsewhere ? We're so so different from our historical co-religionists that some might as well go on to say we fabricated a sikh history of brave soormas. We're nothing like that, as you said our youth grow up mollycuddled, in other thread.

Apparently , a gay man is easier target for you . So you attack them whereas they're the least of your priorities, when infact the kaum is plagued by plethora of other issues staring us in the face. Can we focus on those brother ?

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1 hour ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

where's our hyper masculine identity when our young girls get lured by cutbullahs in UK and elsewhere ? We're so so different from our historical co-religionists that some might as well go on to say we fabricated a sikh history of brave soormas. We're nothing like that, as you said our youth grow up mollycuddled, in other thread.

Apparently , a gay man is easier target for you . So you attack them whereas they're the least of your priorities, when infact the kaum is plagued by plethora of other issues staring us in the face. Can we focus on those brother ?

okay

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On 7/10/2017 at 8:00 PM, Singh559 said:

I agree and I am pro gay goo rights ect. When men start acting like women in Sikh saroop it's not a good outlook. On top of spiritual aspect, when someone is initiated with Khande di pahul, you're literally a soldier in Khalsa and should act as such. Debated a couple <banned word filter activated> from UK a while back and average hippy lib apna would have said ve are believings 1 luv we r sorry for offendings joo. I was pretty direct and told him straight same things I would post here and in end he apologized and said he respected Sikhs.

When you have abrahamic faiths who don't understand prema bhagti and prem in general - they only respect tribal alpha maleness.

swear down this was going through my mind in some portions of your post.

 

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6 hours ago, Kira said:

swear down this was going through my mind in some portions of your post.

 

Classic! haha

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