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Has anyone ever had Darshan of Devtas and conversed with them? I'm kinda curious, if u have what did they tell you? 

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They don't converse. If someone claims that they did, then they were tricked and fell down into path of maya. All abyassees face tests from darker entities. They act to prevent you from rising and to keep you trapped. Very often, they may appear as angelic devtas, but they are in disguise and there to trap you.

Now, that's out the way, i can confirm that interactions and experiences DO occur with these heavenly residents, but it will never start with "seeing" them first.

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On 8/7/2017 at 9:37 PM, Guest Guest curious said:

Has anyone ever had Darshan of Devtas and conversed with them? I'm kinda curious, if u have what did they tell you? 

Guest Jee,

with all due respects, nobody gets darshan just like that of any spiritual entity, be it it devtays even, unless one worships and devotes oneself to that entity.

So is the same with Wahiguru Akal Purukh, the only supreme Reality.

You see, if one devotes oneself to these lower spiritual entities, one will go at most, to Swarg Lok or Baikunth, that´s it. No mukti, but for sure, imprisoned in chaurasee ka chakar

But then we shall have lost our opportunity in uniting ourselves with Wahiguru. 

But why to worship them or have their darshan? What can they give, that which Wahiguru can´t?

You see, worshipping them or expecting anything from them, is like begging a public officer, when He, Sachya Patshah Akal Purukh, is ready waiting for us, to embrace us, and fill our jholees with His Daya Meher, not only that, but He gives Himself to us, and makes us one with Him.

If that is so, why to go for less.

If one can have have golden coins, pearls and rubies, why to hold on to stones?

Dhan Dhan Satguru Nanak Dev Maharaj, in relation to your questions, tells us in His paviter Bani of Raag Maroo:

ईसरु ब्रहमा देवी देवा ॥
eesar brehamaa dhaevee dhaevaa |
Shiva, Brahma, gods and goddesses,
 
इंद्र तपे मुनि तेरी सेवा ॥
eindhr thapae mun thaeree saevaa |
Indra, ascetics and silent sages serve You.
 
So if these deities are beggars at His door, why not to do directly His Bhakti and get Him through His kirpa?
 
 
Guest Guest Curious Jee, reconsidere your questions, not because of anything, but, because worshipping Wahiguru, is the only utam karam, highest bhakti.
 
Sat Sree Akal.

 

 

 

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No I have not :( I ask in a kind manner why do you ask? Am eager to hear your experience :)

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1 hour ago, harsharan000 said:

Guest Jee,

with all due respects, nobody gets darshan just like that of any spiritual entity, be it it devtays even, unless one worships and devotes oneself to that entity.

So is the same with Wahiguru Akal Purukh, the only supreme Reality.

You see, if one devotes oneself to these lower spiritual entities, one will go at most, to Swarg Lok or Baikunth, that´s it. No mukti, but for sure, imprisoned in chaurasee ka chakar

But then we shall have lost our opportunity in uniting ourselves with Wahiguru. 

But why to worship them or have their darshan? What can they give, that which Wahiguru can´t?

You see, worshipping them or expecting anything from them, is like begging a public officer, when He, Sachya Patshah Akal Purukh, is ready waiting for us, to embrace us, and fill our jholees with His Daya Meher, not only that, but He gives Himself to us, and makes us one with Him.

If that is so, why to go for less.

If one can have have golden coins, pearls and rubies, why to hold on to stones?

Dhan Dhan Satguru Nanak Dev Maharaj, in relation to your questions, tells us in His paviter Bani of Raag Maroo:

ईसरु ब्रहमा देवी देवा ॥
eesar brehamaa dhaevee dhaevaa |
Shiva, Brahma, gods and goddesses,
 
इंद्र तपे मुनि तेरी सेवा ॥
eindhr thapae mun thaeree saevaa |
Indra, ascetics and silent sages serve You.
 
So if these deities are beggars at His door, why not to do directly His Bhakti and get Him through His kirpa?
 
 
Guest Guest Curious Jee, reconsidere your questions, not because of anything, but, because worshipping Wahiguru, is the only utam karam, highest bhakti.
 
Sat Sree Akal.

 

 

 

With all due respect, Many Sants have had darshans of them, seen them and spoken to them. None of them have ever followed anyone except Parbraham.

14 hours ago, Guest seeker said:

They don't converse. If someone claims that they did, then they were tricked and fell down into path of maya. All abyassees face tests from darker entities. They act to prevent you from rising and to keep you trapped. Very often, they may appear as angelic devtas, but they are in disguise and there to trap you.

Now, that's out the way, i can confirm that interactions and experiences DO occur with these heavenly residents, but it will never start with "seeing" them first.

What does it start with? A friend of mine had interactions with them. Yet they never told him to worship them, the opposite. They told him to continue following the path of Nanak and gave him Banis to do. Will you argue that its Maya's play? that Kalyug is purposely telling people to do the one that weakens it?

 

1 hour ago, Singh1989 said:

No I have not :( I ask in a kind manner why do you ask? Am eager to hear your experience :)

A friend of mine had a conversation with them or certain ones. So I asked here for him. I can share some of his experiences. 

 

2 hours ago, Cloud said:

What?

VJKK VJKF

/Cloud

I'll further explain, apologises if I seemed too vague and airy.  Has anyone here ever seen Devtas (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Durga, Indra etc) (dream form or real life) where they met them and had a conversation with them?

 

 

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On 7/8/2017 at 4:37 PM, Guest Guest curious said:

Has anyone ever had Darshan of Devtas and conversed with them? I'm kinda curious, if u have what did they tell you? 

*(I have never met any devti or devtas, and have no interest in meeting them.)

Mahapurukhs had darshan of these devtas and devtis. We all know the basic stuff, but there's also a Sakhi that when before Bhai Lehna, (Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Angad Dev Ji), had knew about Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, he had saw Durga and the other devtis,(all 330 crores), all doing their service to Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. This was one his last pilgrimage to the Mandir of Jawalamukhi.

Throughout the ages many also saw Devtis and Devis as well and reached a similar conclusion. The Kashmiri Pundits also reached the same conclusion when their Trimurti, (in Hinduism, they are considered the biggest of all devti, Sikhi gives no importance), told them to go to Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji to be protected from oppression.

Sant Harnaam Singh also met them, as well as Jesus and Muhammad, and they all reached the same conclusion, and that conclusion was: Guru Sahib is the greatest being that ever existed, as well as the greatness of Sikhi.

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20 hours ago, Guest seeker said:

They don't converse. If someone claims that they did, then they were tricked and fell down into path of maya. All abyassees face tests from darker entities. They act to prevent you from rising and to keep you trapped. Very often, they may appear as angelic devtas, but they are in disguise and there to trap you.

Now, that's out the way, i can confirm that interactions and experiences DO occur with these heavenly residents, but it will never start with "seeing" them first.

Pretty much agree here. It is a stage that one passes through as the praises and kirtan that occurs outside darbar of Akaal purakh is by the devi devtes and saints.  Also agree that they can try to entice you and keep you bound in maya. This is one of Akaal purakhs tests to see whetther you will be stuck in the heavens or go all the way to merge.  I know what your'e saying about not "seeing" them at first, because gurbani tells you to sing, listen and praise along with them and not to them.

 

8 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

You see, if one devotes oneself to these lower spiritual entities, one will go at most, to Swarg Lok or Baikunth, that´s it. No mukti, but for sure, imprisoned in chaurasee ka chakar

 

Much agree with harsharan's nice post as well as it's important to not get stuck on the way, but continue with pyaar on the single marg path to waheguru. However, just a slight technicality with your mention of lak chaurasi.....My understanding is that baikkunth, swarg lok, dev loks, heavens..etc are out of lakh chaurasi but not kaival mukht. ie. one is still bound to karams but not in the vicous chaurasi lak cycle. I believe they can bhog their karams by taking birth as human, and are able to do this by choice or they may remain in heavens doing sift salah of Waheguru.. Karams can only be bhogged as human or wiped by his grace. I know it's a little complicated, but it involves understanding who faces Dharamraj and is bound as per deeds (Chitr Gupt), and the devotees who work for Dharamraj.

I think that you are on the same page with regards to difference in mukti from lak chaurasi and the total mukti from karams. I say this because I recall a past discussion on another topic but our understanding on this issue was similar?

 

Hope you are doing well and progressing with bhagti.. This is the ONE chance to merge with the ONE

 

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2 hours ago, luckysingh99 said:

Pretty much agree here. It is a stage that one passes through as the praises and kirtan that occurs outside darbar of Akaal purakh is by the devi devtes and saints.  Also agree that they can try to entice you and keep you bound in maya. This is one of Akaal purakhs tests to see whetther you will be stuck in the heavens or go all the way to merge.  I know what your'e saying about not "seeing" them at first, because gurbani tells you to sing, listen and praise along with them and not to them.

 

Much agree with harsharan's nice post as well as it's important to not get stuck on the way, but continue with pyaar on the single marg path to waheguru. However, just a slight technicality with your mention of lak chaurasi.....My understanding is that baikkunth, swarg lok, dev loks, heavens..etc are out of lakh chaurasi but not kaival mukht. ie. one is still bound to karams but not in the vicous chaurasi lak cycle. I believe they can bhog their karams by taking birth as human, and are able to do this by choice or they may remain in heavens doing sift salah of Waheguru.. Karams can only be bhogged as human or wiped by his grace. I know it's a little complicated, but it involves understanding who faces Dharamraj and is bound as per deeds (Chitr Gupt), and the devotees who work for Dharamraj.

I think that you are on the same page with regards to difference in mukti from lak chaurasi and the total mukti from karams. I say this because I recall a past discussion on another topic but our understanding on this issue was similar?

 

Hope you are doing well and progressing with bhagti.. This is the ONE chance to merge with the ONE

 

"Chaurasee ka chakkar?" So, one has made it far to "Heavens" but they must come back like a spider, as they "only" made it far to heaven? Not emerged? Geeeeeeez! ALL that bhakti for nothing, ey?

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6 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

"Chaurasee ka chakkar?" So, one has made it far to "Heavens" but they must come back like a spider, as they "only" made it far to heaven? Not emerged? Geeeeeeez! ALL that bhakti for nothing, ey?

Your need to re-read the post as you've not understood the core point.

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22 hours ago, Guest Guest Curiosity said:

With all due respect, Many Sants have had darshans of them, seen them and spoken to them. None of them have ever followed anyone except Parbraham.

What does it start with? A friend of mine had interactions with them. Yet they never told him to worship them, the opposite. They told him to continue following the path of Nanak and gave him Banis to do. Will you argue that its Maya's play? that Kalyug is purposely telling people to do the one that weakens it?

A friend of mine had a conversation with them or certain ones. So I asked here for him. I can share some of his experiences. 

I'll further explain, apologises if I seemed too vague and airy.  Has anyone here ever seen Devtas (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Durga, Indra etc) (dream form or real life) where they met them and had a conversation with them?

Guest Guest  Curiosity Jee,

may I know why are you so fascinated with these devtays?  What is it that you find so interesting in them?

Though you have full right and freedom to do what you want, but just asking why so much importance to them.

Are you not interested in knowing if anyone here or anywhere else has had Darshan of Wahiguru Akal Purukh Himself? 

When you mention above that they told you friend to continue the path of Nanak Dev Maharaj, it just shows that even devtays know, how strong the faith of a sikh is in/for Guru Sahiban or Guru Jee, thus they have not much to do there.  A Sikh is no small thing, for a sikh is the devotee of the Highest Being, a beloved one of Akal Purukh.

But any how, we should not hate them nor disrespect them, as they are fulfilling the purpose or role for which they were created by Akal Purukh in His apaar kaynaat.

Our interactions are only with Him, we are in so much  love with Him, that we see none else than Him.

We should not forget what the Bani beautifully says:  Ekas bin, sabh dandh hae. 

He alone is the only one Supreme permanent Truth, apart from Him, everything else is "koor", is Maya.

Though everything is created by Him, but still, He is the director, all others are mere puppets.

Everything, everyone, is subject to His Hukum, not even a leaf of a tree can move without His Hukum, such is His apaar majesty.

 

Wah e Guru.

Sat Sree akal.

 

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5 hours ago, Guest Anon said:

I have seen devta and they said that the goal is to reach god 

..and my name is prince

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23 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

 

Guest Guest  Curiosity Jee,

may I know why are you so fascinated with these devtays?  What is it that you find so interesting in them?

Though you have full right and freedom to do what you want, but just asking why so much importance to them.

Are you not interested in knowing if anyone here or anywhere else has had Darshan of Wahiguru Akal Purukh Himself? 

 

 

I doubt if anyone had Darshan of Akaal Purkh they'd bother coming to this cesspool of stupidity. Anyone who's had Darshan end up absorbed in his meditation (going by Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji's experience) and end up serving the Panth. 

 

To answer OP- They're lower down the spectrum in terms of divinity, you may see them (talk to them) but don't stop there, keep going further. Past all of them are the true Saints of Nanak. Think of them as pawns for Kaal Purkh, Don't under any circumstance bow to them and accept them as the Lord. None of them could even come close to Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj or his Pure Brahmgyani Mahapurkhs.

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To luckysingh99 yes your name must be prince but we did not ask to be told that. Why u jealous a devta might have said to worship god?? Thats the right thing is is not. You dont have a monopoly on religious teachings. God has many prophets messengers that can teach people.

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23 hours ago, Kira said:

I doubt if anyone had Darshan of Akaal Purkh they'd bother coming to this cesspool of stupidity. Anyone who's had Darshan end up absorbed in his meditation (going by Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji's experience) and end up serving the Panth.

Very good point brought forward.

But instead of narrowing ourslves we must widen our horizons, in the sense that anybody who had darshan of Akal Purukh, wil not shut himself from world, for once one has merged in Him while being alive, there is no fear of anything, as He is ang sang ... Guru mere sang sadaah hae naalay.

It is we ordinary people, who need sincere deep bhakti to have His Darshan, for that we have to avoid Maya, so we need to be absorbed i meditation.

But not they,who have their divya drishtee opened by His kirpa, so they see Him everywhere and in everyone, they not need to stay in deep meditation to continue seeing Him; for if they close ther eyes they enter spiritaul realms, they open their eyes and they are back here.

These mahapurukhs are filled with His Jot, so their mere presence where they choose to be or go, becomes sacred as said by their very presence, be it then cesspool of stupidity even.

It is we limited beings who say I will avoid this or that place or peson, not they, as they are in tune with his Hukum at all times, so they never complain, nor talk ill of anything.

The Bani clearly says: tah Baikunth, jeh keertan tera. Even the most stupid place, becomes paviter, by singing His mahima. For He, comes where He is called, in His subtle spiritual swaroop, though unseen by ordinary people, or sinners like us.

So you see, we limit ourselves with this, or that, but they are wide open.

These mahapurkhs, once having revealed Him within, wherever they move, they spread the fragrance, the scent of Wahiguru among the people.

You see, unlike us, as they are filled with His light, they will not say, when the darkness goes away from there, we shall go there; because wherever they go, or they choose to be, though however absurd for us, the darkness(of agyanta) runs away from there, as they approach and reach any place.

And all this, is just by His grace, His Hukum alone.

Sat Sree akal.

 

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