Jonny101

Christian woman spreading pure hate against Gurus

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Yes, what on earth is this craze about launching a singing career? I'm assuming these guys have managed to talk their fathers into financing a move into showbusiness? Idiots. Why not use that cash to improve employment prospects by studying a valuable subject that will lead to a prosperous career? Don't get me wrong, i appreciate the draw of being creative, but it's like every other Sikh guy in Punjab wants to release an album, so it becomes less about beavering away until they're in a position to share their unique talent with the world through music, and becomes more a cynical grab for fame and fortune.

Perhaps you're not aware maybe that Indians have a sheep mentality .

In India, talent is whatever fetches you money. I understand this is quite different from western world attitudes.

If you ever look at businesses in india, you will see one sector usually dominated by one community.

Shetty's into hotel business. its so common it has become a cliched joke. 

Marwaris into jewellery . 

Gujaratis are thought of as businesses

South indians are usually top brass of corporates.

Punjabis are into trucking (my own dad). Some of them end up having big logistic companies. Another common profession our kaum has is driveri of taxi . or army.

I don't see that many white collar job sikhs . Except a few notable ones . Like Ajay Banga , CEO of mastercard. And few others. 

We're not that great into academics as a community. Punjabi , esp Sikh men are known to be physically sturdy but not very brainy when it comes to finer sciences like Mathematics, Physics, etc . 

Those who do study this sciences, they tend to excel . I don't want to say our kaum is weak when it comes to brains for academics, but we're not known to excel in these sciences. 

TBH, the craze for being a singer is because singing , acting and other media professions enable a person to get quickly what modern materialistic society defines as "sukh" : Money, Fame, Women. 

And being a singer , esp the kind of crrrap , raunchy ones that punjabi community generates in loads, we end up with YoYo , Badshah , Sukhwinder and the likes who get quick ticket to money , fame and women . 

Now you know why whole of punjab and Jatta de mundey wanna go that line lol 

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7 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Perhaps you're not aware maybe that Indians have a sheep mentality .

In India, talent is whatever fetches you money. I understand this is quite different from western world attitudes.

If you ever look at businesses in india, you will see one sector usually dominated by one community.

Shetty's into hotel business. its so common it has become a cliched joke. 

Marwaris into jewellery . 

Gujaratis are thought of as businesses

South indians are usually top brass of corporates.

Punjabis are into trucking (my own dad). Some of them end up having big logistic companies. Another common profession our kaum has is driveri of taxi . or army.

I don't see that many white collar job sikhs . Except a few notable ones . Like Ajay Banga , CEO of mastercard. And few others. 

We're not that great into academics as a community. Punjabi , esp Sikh men are known to be physically sturdy but not very brainy when it comes to finer sciences like Mathematics, Physics, etc . 

Those who do study this sciences, they tend to excel . I don't want to say our kaum is weak when it comes to brains for academics, but we're not known to excel in these sciences. 

TBH, the craze for being a singer is because singing , acting and other media professions enable a person to get quickly what modern materialistic society defines as "sukh" : Money, Fame, Women. 

And being a singer , esp the kind of crrrap , raunchy ones that punjabi community generates in loads, we end up with YoYo , Badshah , Sukhwinder and the likes who get quick ticket to money , fame and women . 

Now you know why whole of punjab and Jatta de mundey wanna go that line lol 

Punjabi men are 3D learners, they can solve problems on their feet that no Gujerati or South Indian can do.

There are a lot of people in the West that want to rich and famous quickly as well. Look at the Instagram models or the you tube stars.

All those talent shows and reality shows in India are copied from the models on the west.

We slag our own people off too much. Granted there are a lot of faults in our people but there are positives too.

 

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56 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Punjabi men are 3D learners, they can solve problems on their feet that no Gujerati or South Indian can do.

There are a lot of people in the West that want to rich and famous quickly as well. Look at the Instagram models or the you tube stars.

All those talent shows and reality shows in India are copied from the models on the west.

We slag our own people off too much. Granted there are a lot of faults in our people but there are positives too.

 

Talk about rose tinted glasses. 

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19 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Talk about rose tinted glasses. 

As per usual you are glass half empty.

You focus on the negative.

There are positive aspects too. It is better have an all round perspective. 

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2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

As per usual you are glass half empty.

You focus on the negative.

There are positive aspects too. It is better have an all round perspective. 

I know there are positives, but hell, your type of attitude (which is unfortunately the norm in the community) is what essentially guarantees the negatives are only going to grow and become more entrenched. 

Remember we had decades of smug, self-congratulatory behaviour amongst our fudhoos in the UK (bhangra partying, showing off with the Mercedes and ostentatious weddings), whilst under our very noses God knows how many thousands of apneean were getting viciously sexually abused. Does that not register in your head? How positive are your positives when we've not even been able to protect our own daughters as a community?

We've already been made complete clowns off (that includes by the establishment here), so let us please not make the same mistakes again and again by ignoring threats like an ostrich, and seeking some feeling of relief in pyrrhic victories. We've had enough of that. 

 

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I know there are positives, but hell, your type of attitude (which is unfortunately the norm in the community) is what essentially guarantees the negatives are only going to grow and become more entrenched. 

Remember we had decades of smug, self-congratulatory behaviour amongst our fudhoos in the UK (bhangra partying, showing off with the Mercedes and ostentatious weddings), whilst under our very noses God knows how many thousands of apneean were getting viciously sexually abused. Does that not register in your head? How positive are your positives when we've not even been able to protect our own daughters as a community?

We've already been made complete clowns off (that includes by the establishment here), so let us please not make the same mistakes again and again by ignoring threats like an ostrich, and seeking some feeling of relief in pyrrhic victories. We've had enough of that. 

 

My attitude is looking at the whole picture.

I am perfectly aware what is going on wey before you even coming across these things.

Your focus is one thing, you cannot move forward with your method. You been spouting the same thing for the last 10 years on various websites, nobody is going to listen to you.

Some of your methods have been talked about 20 years ago and they haven't worked.You are so behind the curve it so unbelievable.

If you keep focusing on the negatives you create too much analysis paralysis and don't get anywhere.

That's why you are stuck like a broken record.

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

My attitude is looking at the whole picture.

I am perfectly aware what is going on wey before you even coming across these things.

Your focus is one thing, you cannot move forward with your method. You been spouting the same thing for the last 10 years on various websites, nobody is going to listen to you.

Some of your methods have been talked about 20 years ago and they haven't worked.You are so behind the curve it so unbelievable.

If you keep focusing on the negatives you create too much analysis paralysis and don't get anywhere.

That's why you are stuck like a broken record.

I think the opposite is true. I think you actually perfectly exemplify the cause of why these issues were allowed to fester and grow for so long. 

Truth is that my people did make massive positive change. Whereas you think certain approaches are played out - you're wrong. It's only just a start. And one important plank. It's you that are behind the curve, and I'd guess your analysis simply stems from conservatism, and an absolute terror at sticking your neck out when dealing with external challenges (which may be well warranted, as you know yourself and what you could handle and otherwise - and you've probably been tyrannised by your parents since childhood to stamp such anakh out of you). You are completely risk averse. That's what got us into this crap in the first place. It was those who weren't so scared of taking risks that made changes. This is how it will be.  

But you could always slither away to some conservative backwater, away from any action, and play it safe your whole life I guess. 

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54 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think the opposite is true. I think you actually perfectly exemplify the cause of why these issues were allowed to fester and grow for so long. 

Truth is that my people did make massive positive change. Whereas you think certain approaches are played out - you're wrong. It's only just a start. And one important plank. It's you that are behind the curve, and I'd guess your analysis simply stems from conservatism, and an absolute terror at sticking your neck out when dealing with external challenges (which may be well warranted, as you know yourself and what you could handle and otherwise - and you've probably been tyrannised by your parents since childhood to stamp such anakh out of you). You are completely risk averse. That's what got us into this crap in the first place. It was those who weren't so scared of taking risks that made changes. This is how it will be.  

But you could always slither away to some conservative backwater, away from any action, and play it safe your whole life I guess. 

I tell you what Dally. Go out there yourself and test your hypothesis and tell me what you come back.

Reality is you won't stick your neck out when it counts.

You are still stuck in the 1980s. 

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A lot of mistakes have been made by our community over the last 20-25 years.

Those 'mistakes' have now become habitual and we just sweep them under the rug.

Untill we don't bring this out into the open and tackle it - there is no moving forward really

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17 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I tell you what Dally. Go out there yourself and test your hypothesis and tell me what you come back.

Reality is you won't stick your neck out when it counts.

You are still stuck in the 1980s. 

I'm out all the time mate. There are important things we can learn from the 80s. 

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8 hours ago, satsangee said:

A lot of mistakes have been made by our community over the last 20-25 years.

Those 'mistakes' have now become habitual and we just sweep them under the rug.

Untill we don't bring this out into the open and tackle it - there is no moving forward really

Exactly, and people are too scared or lazy, and even attack those who try and highlight things and combat issues, probably because it makes them feel inferior through dissonance. These things are more important than personal ego issues though. 

We should know by now, if we don't actively address things, they get a thousand times worse and infinitely more difficult to deal with down the line. 

But going back to the earlier vid. Not withstanding how SIkh girls can be jumped up and obnoxious, if what that girl is saying in the video is true (that her father sexually abused her for years), then it's no shock she did what she did. Plus she might just like BBCs - a lot of girls do apparently. 

Lesson to learn. If you have a daughter, don't go too heavy with her, and try and build a relationship based on love rather than fear. That being said: there is no guarantee that a girl will grow up to be an angel - no matter what you do. It's human nature to equate ideas, religions, politics with the people who express identification with the said ideals. So parents should be extra careful not to make kids think that their heritage is some form of cruel oppression. Because, as soon as child grows up, they will attack and reject that thing with vigor. 

That looks like what we are seeing here? 

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christians are coming inside gurdwarey to convert sikhs

 

 

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11 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

christians are coming inside gurdwarey to convert sikhs

 

 

Is that true? @1.50

That it is illegal to convert people in India????

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Just now, dallysingh101 said:

Is that true? @1.50

That it is illegal to convert people in India????

The law says no but the singhi was being told by the SSP not to make a fuss after being slapped by one of the foreign missionaries (Korean)

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40 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

The law says no but the singhi was being told by the SSP not to make a fuss after being slapped by one of the foreign missionaries (Korean)

Says it all.......

 

I remember reading about a European artist getting beaten and nearly killed by nihangs during M. Ranjit Singh's period because they thought he was smoking at Harmandir Sahib (he claimed he wasn't and was just holding a paintbrush in his mouth whilst sketching). 

And behold today - Maharaja 'put jut da' Badal's legacy. We've become a proper joke. 

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16 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Exactly, and people are too scared or lazy, and even attack those who try and highlight things and combat issues, probably because it makes them feel inferior through dissonance. These things are more important than personal ego issues though. 

We should know by now, if we don't actively address things, they get a thousand times worse and infinitely more difficult to deal with down the line. 

But going back to the earlier vid. Not withstanding how SIkh girls can be jumped up and obnoxious, if what that girl is saying in the video is true (that her father sexually abused her for years), then it's no shock she did what she did. Plus she might just like BBCs - a lot of girls do apparently. 

Lesson to learn. If you have a daughter, don't go too heavy with her, and try and build a relationship based on love rather than fear. That being said: there is no guarantee that a girl will grow up to be an angel - no matter what you do. It's human nature to equate ideas, religions, politics with the people who express identification with the said ideals. So parents should be extra careful not to make kids think that their heritage is some form of cruel oppression. Because, as soon as child grows up, they will attack and reject that thing with vigor. 

That looks like what we are seeing here? 

Agree with you compleley.

If you look at the fathers and brothers of the girls who are jumped up and marrying Christian guys - they are completely docile, they have no anakh

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Dear cyber Sangat ji , I have a question .

Why were these christian missionaries not so active in our punjab till 10 -20 yrs back ?

Where were they in 80s? they knew that if they dared convert people, let alone slap a singhni in dastaar, they're going to get kicked bad by singhs. 

In the last 10-20 yrs , Punjab has changed so much, not just by demography (sikhs falling from 61% to 57% of state population) but also because a *lot* of our boys have cut their kes . 

Hunn teh dastaar wala gabru punjab wich taana taana disda hai ! (Not so common to see young men with dastar nowadays).

Xian Missionaries KNOW THIS. They also know that sikhs since a few decades are weak due to aftermath of op bluestar and due to drugs. 

They know more about us and our conditions than you can imagine. And they're plotting accordingly ! This is biggest sign of our weakness today. that someone can smell us and attack.

Hunn teh thapad maarya hai saadi singhni de , kal nu aake goli firing vi karange . Fer assi ki karange ?

Sadh sangat ji , hindu dharmic brothers have WOKEN UP to christian missionaries. They didn't hesitate to burn alive Missionaries Grahams. Even supreme court favored the side of hindu extremists on this one.

 

Someone told me a while back. Christian missionaries in punjab would give a plain pill to a diseased , paining person . And say "Say waheguru and take this pill". obviously nothing would work because pill is plain , not medicine.

Then they would give him actual medicine pill to relieve his pain and disease and say "now say Jesus father and take this pill". Obviously because its med , it would work.

Then the sly crusader would say "See, your waheguru is not even strong enough to cure your pain and disease. Jesus is greater. Accept him and he will save you".

 

Are you aware that psychologically a person is most vulnerable to emotional appeal once out of trouble and he will no doubt accept the bullsh*t claim of this sly pastor.

I just wanna see my dharam , my guru-pita's great faith and great land not being trampled upon by people who made up a fake religion in the "council of nineveh" , a religion without any substance, a religion that is little more than business ! 

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Time and again , I am barking on this forum but no one cared answering : Why can't we sikhs adopt the all-weather successful muslamic way ? outbreed the enemy beyond overwhelm 

If each rural sikhs started having 5 kids and raising them in taksals or sikhi schools (yes more branches throughout punjab), we could give hindutvas and mussle and crusaders a tough fight. 

More sikhs can go outside punjab to other states increasing our power in those states too  . We may become poor , yes, def we will with more numbers. But I tell you sikhs had more sikhi-sidak back in the 18th century when we had more kids per household and a mughal was waiting in prowl to hunt us behind every bush.

I tell you even the SSP told singhni to shut up because only the losers get told to shut up. Can you imagine a muslim in pakistan being told to shut up or a buddhist in bhutan ? nopes. 

If our numbers increased tremendously , we can make it ! Even the SSP would salute. Trust me, we haven't lost ANYTHING yet :D We just need to seize opportunities in front of us.

Open more orphanages and more sikhi schools. Orphans taken in can be given a sikh upbringing.

Oh btw if you think I am giving solutions impractical, bear in mind Christians are doing the exact same thing : orphans and schools.

Thats all i would say . Waheguru Bhali karega. 

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29 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Dear cyber Sangat ji , I have a question .

Why were these christian missionaries not so active in our punjab till 10 -20 yrs back ?

Where were they in 80s? they knew that if they dared convert people, let alone slap a singhni in dastaar, they're going to get kicked bad by singhs. 

In the last 10-20 yrs , Punjab has changed so much, not just by demography (sikhs falling from 61% to 57% of state population) but also because a *lot* of our boys have cut their kes . 

Hunn teh dastaar wala gabru punjab wich taana taana disda hai ! (Not so common to see young men with dastar nowadays).

Xian Missionaries KNOW THIS. They also know that sikhs since a few decades are weak due to aftermath of op bluestar and due to drugs. 

They know more about us and our conditions than you can imagine. And they're plotting accordingly ! This is biggest sign of our weakness today. that someone can smell us and attack.

Hunn teh thapad maarya hai saadi singhni de , kal nu aake goli firing vi karange . Fer assi ki karange ?

Sadh sangat ji , hindu dharmic brothers have WOKEN UP to christian missionaries. They didn't hesitate to burn alive Missionaries Grahams. Even supreme court favored the side of hindu extremists on this one.

 

Someone told me a while back. Christian missionaries in punjab would give a plain pill to a diseased , paining person . And say "Say waheguru and take this pill". obviously nothing would work because pill is plain , not medicine.

Then they would give him actual medicine pill to relieve his pain and disease and say "now say Jesus father and take this pill". Obviously because its med , it would work.

Then the sly crusader would say "See, your waheguru is not even strong enough to cure your pain and disease. Jesus is greater. Accept him and he will save you".

 

Are you aware that psychologically a person is most vulnerable to emotional appeal once out of trouble and he will no doubt accept the bullsh*t claim of this sly pastor.

I just wanna see my dharam , my guru-pita's great faith and great land not being trampled upon by people who made up a fake religion in the "council of nineveh" , a religion without any substance, a religion that is little more than business ! 

Radha soamis, sant nirankaris, ashotosh, Sacha Sauda and now Christian missionaries. This is why the Sikh population in Punjab has declined.

 

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14 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

christians are coming inside gurdwarey to convert sikhs

 

 

Korean Christian missionaries are infamous for their missionary activities. They are very sly andb chalaak in the way they try to convert. 

 

Missionary activity in Korea is a case we should all be aware of. Before the American victory in WW2, Korea was a purely Buddhist country. After the Americans won, then came the Christian missionaries from the US. Their missionary activity was unchecked due to the open and welcoming nature of the Buddhists. 

 

In just a few decades, today Christians have now become the majority while Buddhists have become a minority. The Christians are now so brazen that they insult Buddhism and even openly pray on TV that Buddhist temples be destroyed by their God and the sad thing is Buddhists can't do anything about because now they no longer have the the demographic advantage. 

 

We need to be very cautious of the growth of Abrahamic religions in the Sikh heartland of Punjab.

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3 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Korean Christian missionaries are infamous for their missionary activities. They are very sly andb chalaak in the way they try to convert. 

 

Missionary activity in Korea is a case we should all be aware of. Before the American victory in WW2, Korea was a purely Buddhist country. After the Americans won, then came the Christian missionaries from the US. Their missionary activity was unchecked due to the open and welcoming nature of the Buddhists. 

 

In just a few decades, today Christians have now become the majority while Buddhists have become a minority. The Christians are now so brazen that they insult Buddhism and even openly pray on TV that Buddhist temples be destroyed by their God and the sad thing is Buddhists can't do anything about because now they no longer have the the demographic advantage. 

 

We need to be very cautious of the growth of Abrahamic religions in the Sikh heartland of Punjab.

also be aware of the largest growing christian population -Chinese, China has now become a hotbed of Catholic conversions ...why can we not get going on sikhi parchaar there , they know our history, our social community based outlook and it will appeal a lot more than christianity

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5 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Korean Christian missionaries are infamous for their missionary activities. They are very sly andb chalaak in the way they try to convert. 

 

Missionary activity in Korea is a case we should all be aware of. Before the American victory in WW2, Korea was a purely Buddhist country. After the Americans won, then came the Christian missionaries from the US. Their missionary activity was unchecked due to the open and welcoming nature of the Buddhists. 

 

In just a few decades, today Christians have now become the majority while Buddhists have become a minority. The Christians are now so brazen that they insult Buddhism and even openly pray on TV that Buddhist temples be destroyed by their God and the sad thing is Buddhists can't do anything about because now they no longer have the the demographic advantage. 

 

We need to be very cautious of the growth of Abrahamic religions in the Sikh heartland of Punjab.

Christianity is growing in poor lands. In Punjab the Sikh population is mostly rural and the Christian missionaries are taking advantage of that.

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1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

also be aware of the largest growing christian population -Chinese, China has now become a hotbed of Catholic conversions ...why can we not get going on sikhi parchaar there , they know our history, our social community based outlook and it will appeal a lot more than christianity

actually china's govt is socialist communist. Its opposed to all religions . And esp would be to sikh or hindu because they're indian religions 

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2 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

actually china's govt is socialist communist. Its opposed to all religions . And esp would be to sikh or hindu because they're indian religions 

the government is not the people , and I do not think they would oppose sikhi as much because it is in line with confuncian ideals of becoming higher level virtuous people without losing individual cultures

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8 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Someone told me a while back. Christian missionaries in punjab would give a plain pill to a diseased , paining person . And say "Say waheguru and take this pill". obviously nothing would work because pill is plain , not medicine.

Then they would give him actual medicine pill to relieve his pain and disease and say "now say Jesus father and take this pill". Obviously because its med , it would work.

Then the sly crusader would say "See, your waheguru is not even strong enough to cure your pain and disease. Jesus is greater. Accept him and he will save you".

Yes, this is exactly the kind of aggressive conversion tactics that I'm against. Some people are so focused on their particular sect, and in increasing the numbers of that sect, that they forget the point of religion. Guru Sahib says:

ਸਰਬ ਧਰਮ ਮਹਿ ਸ੍ਰੇਸਟ ਧਰਮੁ ॥

Of all religions, the best religion

 

ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਕਰਮੁ ॥

Is to chant the Name of the Lord and maintain pure conduct.

ਗਉੜੀ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੩) ੮:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੨੬੬ 
Raag Gauri Sukhmanee Guru Arjan Dev

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