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Christian woman spreading pure hate against Gurus

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Where are the Sikh missionaries now to answer this Christian woman or is all their energies only going to be spent on spreading hate against Dasam Granth and fellow Sikhs.

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I listened to only the first few seconds of this clip, and it's clear she comes from a hate-mongering view point. If you were expecting anything from the Missionary Jatha, they will just stand in saying, "All religions are equal" B.S.

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Seems like while our kaum's eyes were on dawahist islamic etxremists we had some sly black christian extremist groups who have been grooming british punjabi girls of Sikh families for relationships and eventual conversion to Christianity and here this one girl called raj jerett who probably ran off with her black christian boyfriend is on stage abusing Sikhi and Guru Ji's, while Christians in the clip clap and cheer her on. It reminds me of when hizb ut tahir and al mahajroun the 2 islamic extremists groups in 1995 who had allegedly converted 2 sikh girls on stage in london who went on to abuse sikhism and guru's seems like these evil abrahmic cults have the same tactics and agenda.

This video seems like was uploaded by a chrisitan org originally 7years ago long before the current controversial viral videos between sikhs and Christians in punjab.

 

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One thing i noticed is difference between western born people converting to Sikhi and Christians converting gullible punjabis is that the westerners convert to Sikhi usually by no help from Sikhs at all. They learn from books or online about Sikhism and get interested so decide to convert. Whereas Christians actively promote their faith like muslims do to get non-believers to convert they have sly leaflets how to target Sikhs by first falsely claiming our Guru is same as what Jesus taught, then after inviting them to church and before you know it davinder becomes david on the sly while still wearing a pagh to fool other Sikhs into joining the abrahmic middle eastern cult.

So that begs the question whats the strategic value in converting punjab to Christianity? Whats their long term aim and goal? Its the same as muslims its power and control over the masses for the human resource power centre's in the west. Just as saudi arabia and iran are control power centre's for branches of Islam. demographics population numbers win wars, huge numbers vote in democracies and forming or swaying governments.

So we can see why they trying to target Sikhs and Hindus for conversions especially those of  chamar / ravidassia / dalit "low caste" backgrounds who are larger in number and often disenfranchised in Indian society.

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Every time someone converts from one religion to another it's used for maximum PR, Christians and Muslim organisations are notorious for it but you can't force someone to believe in something of they don't want to, simple as, by doing that your causing more harm than good, in the case of the original story, I've met people with views a lot worse than that, it used to offend me at first but know i just don't give it the time of day, there's more important things in the world.

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Most blacks are incredibly gullible when it comes to being corralled in issues of religion or even social causes that are ironically to their detriment. They are followers in nature, even when they assume they're leading. A tiny minority of blacks who are capable of seeing the truth are hated and verbally abused into silence so that the majority can continue to play the blame game. 

A few of the notable figureheads of the various jathe and parchaar groups who reside in Punjab are currently touring North America on lucrative kirtan tours designed to rake in the dollars. Perhaps they should refocus their collective efforts on the Punjabi population back home, in order to prevent vulnerable people being drawn into the arms of these Christian missionaries. Sikhs converting to Christianity in India can be traced to government policies that put the squeeze on some of the vulnerable and desperate members of that society. 

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Well at least Sikhs can see the growing threat of Christianity and christian missionaries in punjab and not let the toad boil slowly as deceptive sly Christians takes over Sikh punjab like a cancer.

Its a good thing this tension is happening cos now Sikhs in punjab will actively fight and Akali Dal / SGPC will be forced to keep an eye on Christians instead of concentrating on hindutva idiots who do not pose the immediate demographic danger that abrahmic cults of Christianity and Islam do.

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11 hours ago, genie said:

One thing i noticed is difference between western born people converting to Sikhi and Christians converting gullible punjabis is that the westerners convert to Sikhi usually by no help from Sikhs at all. They learn from books or online about Sikhism and get interested so decide to convert. Whereas Christians actively promote their faith like muslims do to get non-believers to convert they have sly leaflets how to target Sikhs by first falsely claiming our Guru is same as what Jesus taught, then after inviting them to church and before you know it davinder becomes david on the sly while still wearing a pagh to fool other Sikhs into joining the abrahmic middle eastern cult.

So that begs the question whats the strategic value in converting punjab to Christianity? Whats their long term aim and goal? Its the same as muslims its power and control over the masses for the human resource power centre's in the west. Just as saudi arabia and iran are control power centre's for branches of Islam. demographics population numbers win wars, huge numbers vote in democracies and forming or swaying governments.

So we can see why they trying to target Sikhs and Hindus for conversions especially those of  chamar / ravidassia / dalit "low caste" backgrounds who are larger in number and often disenfranchised in Indian society.

it's simple land/power/money grabbing , most Indian christians at moment are poor, landless dalits , whereas Punjabis have land and money plus sikh conditioning to  donate daswand  without complaint. Since Badal stole money from golak to build churches and hindu temples , the other faiths think why not cut out the middle man

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19 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

Let me clarify that I have nothing against Christians in the West. They are mostly quite mellow, and we are living peaceably in such countries, and they're not bothering us, nor we them.

I do strongly oppose aggressive proselytization tactics. If the Christians want to make a deal at the Akal Takhat not to try to poach Sikhs, then we can agree not to poach Christians. Otherwise, game on.

It seems that the Christian bishops of Punjab have sued for peace and went to the Akal Takhat. 

"He [the Bishop] said efforts were being made to make the Christian woman tender an apology for her objectionable remarks against Sikhism." As such, I think we should show a magnanimous approach.

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http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/bishop-urges-akal-takht-chief-to-appeal-for-peace/429962.html

Note: I hope this thread is not sidetracked by an extensive discussion about the incumbent Jathedar. I will say that issues related to the abortive forgiveness to the Sirsa saadh has weakened the Akal Takhat. Also, situations like this are exactly why we need an Akal Takhat, and a Jathedar. It's not enough, like some "missionaries" like to say, that Guru Granth Sahib is the only Jathedar we need.

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Anyone willing to help expose the filth in bible teachings and in Christianity overall? It's time we give punjabi Christians scumbags a little pay back for all their sly conversions and digs they have been doing to Sikhi over their years without any reaction from Sikhs. 

Its time the Sikhs on mass expose Christianity.

e.g

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery.  How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

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4 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

it's simple land/power/money grabbing , most Indian christians at moment are poor, landless dalits , whereas Punjabis have land and money plus sikh conditioning to  donate daswand  without complaint. Since Badal stole money from golak to build churches and hindu temples , the other faiths think why not cut out the middle man

One of the questions I have is in the West where we have accumulated wealth and prospered there is a need to give back in one way or another and people give back generously.  In some ways donated dasvandh is a manifestation of that. Do land owning and moneyed Sikhs in Punjab have the same need to give back like Western Sikhs or are they more apathetic?

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3 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

One of the questions I have is in the West where we have accumulated wealth and prospered there is a need to give back in one way or another and people give back generously.  In some ways donated dasvandh is a manifestation of that. Do land owning and moneyed Sikhs in Punjab have the same need to give back like Western Sikhs or are they more apathetic?

dasvand is given of all received blessings time, money, food and drink this is a sign of gratitude it also keeps a person thinking of others everyday not just on certain days or months only like other faiths

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Dasvand in the past was set up as a sort of charitable tax that Sikhs had to give to keep the kaum going.

Nowdays Sikhs are paying so much tax in many services and to govt that dasvand does not work for most Sikh families so they dont give any charity for fellow needy Sikhs. And even if they do give charity its to some non-sikh cause. And this has a huge demoralisation affect on poor and needy Sikhs left to fend for themselves making easy pickings for rich islamic and christian charities eager to increase their numbers and take over regions for political reasons.

Dasvand needs to be in line with the tax people pay in everyday life and from that they can calculate how much they need to give to fellow Sikhs.

The islamics are 1.3 billion strong and give to charity actively but only give to muslim charities who only cater for muslims in 50+ muslim countries. This is what purtatan Sikhs of the past used to be only helping and giving charity to fellow Sikhs and thus people would convert to Sikhi even just to get aid but after they got aid they became loyal followers of Sikh teachings.

We need to go back to basics...

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On 7/3/2017 at 1:51 AM, genie said:

Seems like while our kaum's eyes were on dawahist islamic etxremists we had some sly black christian extremist groups who have been grooming british punjabi girls of Sikh families for relationships and eventual conversion to Christianity and here this one girl called raj jerett who probably ran off with her black christian boyfriend is on stage abusing Sikhi and Guru Ji's, while Christians in the clip clap and cheer her on. It reminds me of when hizb ut tahir and al mahajroun the 2 islamic extremists groups in 1995 who had allegedly converted 2 sikh girls on stage in london who went on to abuse sikhism and guru's seems like these evil abrahmic cults have the same tactics and agenda.

This video seems like was uploaded by a chrisitan org originally 7years ago long before the current controversial viral videos between sikhs and Christians in punjab.

 

This girl says she was sexually abused from a young age, until she left home. If that is true, I'm not surprised she has rejected her roots. 

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Good on her. As a Sikhs we respect all religions. If she chose Christianity or even another religion as her path then good on her and I wish her all the best. 

We should not stoop to her level though of disrespecting other faiths like she has done. 

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On 03/07/2017 at 6:22 PM, genie said:

Anyone willing to help expose the filth in bible teachings and in Christianity overall? It's time we give punjabi Christians scumbags a little pay back for all their sly conversions and digs they have been doing to Sikhi over their years without any reaction from Sikhs. 

Its time the Sikhs on mass expose Christianity.

e.g

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery.  How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

you mean like this ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/what-marriage-would-look-like-if-we-actually-followed-the-bible-10484198.html

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On 03/07/2017 at 3:01 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Most blacks are incredibly gullible when it comes to being corralled in issues of religion or even social causes that are ironically to their detriment. They are followers in nature, even when they assume they're leading. A tiny minority of blacks who are capable of seeing the truth are hated and verbally abused into silence so that the majority can continue to play the blame game. 

A few of the notable figureheads of the various jathe and parchaar groups who reside in Punjab are currently touring North America on lucrative kirtan tours designed to rake in the dollars. Perhaps they should refocus their collective efforts on the Punjabi population back home, in order to prevent vulnerable people being drawn into the arms of these Christian missionaries. Sikhs converting to Christianity in India can be traced to government policies that put the squeeze on some of the vulnerable and desperate members of that society. 

 

Sikhs converting to christianity in india  is not because of govt policies but because the 25 million sikhs don't give a craap about economically and socially backward sikhs like the ravidasias and mazhabi and sikligar, to name a few. Thats why ravidasias split away from panth , while mazhabi and sikligars are still die hardy. The other so called "lower castes" in the "casteless" sikh  religion are likely to be vacuumed in christianity .

Hindus are very well aware of the dangers of both of these middle eastern abrahamic cults . 

Sikhs have still dug their heads in deep sand like ostrich pretending the problem doesn't exist.

As the first world country's reject religion , esp christianity and infact ridicule it , these evangelists have to move their bases to third world countries as education is less and poverty more in these third world countries. So people are gullible and prone to bribery . Thats why recent influx of christian missionaries in africa and asia .

If we don't stop them now , we will truly become a laughing stock for rest of india as punjab would be identified as a christian land rather than a sikh one . Apart from commenting on this forum , what can we do ? :/ 

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On 03/07/2017 at 11:58 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

One of the questions I have is in the West where we have accumulated wealth and prospered there is a need to give back in one way or another and people give back generously.  In some ways donated dasvandh is a manifestation of that. Do land owning and moneyed Sikhs in Punjab have the same need to give back like Western Sikhs or are they more apathetic?

Nopes, the land-owning and moneyed sikhs or Jatts as you would call them are too busy in their jatt-pride and wondering where they fit in between sikh pride and punjabi pride or rather jatt-pride . 

They would rather spend those money in launching themselves as a singer or waste it on drugs or try moving to kanneda or amreeka or ashtrelia . Also most of these guys are monneh, so they couldn't give a rat a** about sikhi, except selectively boasting about sikh soorme with whom they bear no semblance either in appearance or lifestyle or discipline ! 

The other punjab lives in dire poverty , is affected by uranium-infected waters which is giving them cancer like never seen before , the drug-addicts and god knows what not . 

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5 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Nopes, the land-owning and moneyed sikhs or Jatts as you would call them are too busy in their jatt-pride and wondering where they fit in between sikh pride and punjabi pride or rather jatt-pride . 

They would rather spend those money in launching themselves as a singer or waste it on drugs or try moving to kanneda or amreeka or ashtrelia . Also most of these guys are monneh, so they couldn't give a rat a** about sikhi, except selectively boasting about sikh soorme with whom they bear no semblance either in appearance or lifestyle or discipline ! 

The other punjab lives in dire poverty , is affected by uranium-infected waters which is giving them cancer like never seen before , the drug-addicts and god knows what not . 

Jatts aren't the only land owning and moneyed Sikhs in the Punjab?

Are they giving back?

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6 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Nopes, the land-owning and moneyed sikhs or Jatts as you would call them are too busy in their jatt-pride and wondering where they fit in between sikh pride and punjabi pride or rather jatt-pride . 

They would rather spend those money in launching themselves as a singer or waste it on drugs or try moving to kanneda or amreeka or ashtrelia . Also most of these guys are monneh, so they couldn't give a rat a** about sikhi, except selectively boasting about sikh soorme with whom they bear no semblance either in appearance or lifestyle or discipline ! 

The other punjab lives in dire poverty , is affected by uranium-infected waters which is giving them cancer like never seen before , the drug-addicts and god knows what not . 

I want to go to America!

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9 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Jatts aren't the only land owning and moneyed Sikhs in the Punjab?

Are they giving back?

TBH apart from monthly garahis to gurudwara , most of which we try to get RoI on by excessive eating at langar, 

I doubt most of us give daswand 

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10 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

They would rather spend those money in launching themselves as a singer or waste it on drugs or try moving to kanneda or amreeka or ashtrelia . Also most of these guys are monneh, so they couldn't give a rat a** about sikhi, except selectively boasting about sikh soorme with whom they bear no semblance either in appearance or lifestyle or discipline ! 

Yes, what on earth is this craze about launching a singing career? I'm assuming these guys have managed to talk their fathers into financing a move into showbusiness? Idiots. Why not use that cash to improve employment prospects by studying a valuable subject that will lead to a prosperous career? Don't get me wrong, i appreciate the draw of being creative, but it's like every other Sikh guy in Punjab wants to release an album, so it becomes less about beavering away until they're in a position to share their unique talent with the world through music, and becomes more a cynical grab for fame and fortune.

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20 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Yes, what on earth is this craze about launching a singing career? I'm assuming these guys have managed to talk their fathers into financing a move into showbusiness? Idiots. Why not use that cash to improve employment prospects by studying a valuable subject that will lead to a prosperous career? Don't get me wrong, i appreciate the draw of being creative, but it's like every other Sikh guy in Punjab wants to release an album, so it becomes less about beavering away until they're in a position to share their unique talent with the world through music, and becomes more a cynical grab for fame and fortune.

I've heard a few of these people's tunes now, they are about as generic as you can possibly get. Whatever this endeavour is, is certainly isn't one about creativity. 

And get this, they'll spend £20,000 on a video and studio time. 

 

It's obviously another manifestation of pendu 'status'.

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