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1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

keep crying.  I provided the link to the whole discussion so people can make up their mind.  here is the link again crusty the clown

 

Thanks for supporting my point, it can well be seen you being nervous for your lies, thus you pour out your filthy inconsistencies.

Go on like that, the more you bark, the more, people will know your foolishness and lies.

You are like a dog´s tail, which even by putting into a pipe to get it straightened, it does not, rather the pipe gets curved

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It's time to stop this baneful banter and reflect on the bani of Guru Nanak Dev ji......

 

ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੧ ॥ 
Salok mėhlā 1. 
Shalok, First Mehl: 

ਨਾਨਕ ਫਿਕੈ ਬੋਲਿਐ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਫਿਕਾ ਹੋਇ ॥ 
Nānak fikai boli▫ai ṯan man fikā ho▫e. 

O Nanak, speaking insipid words, the body and mind become insipid. 

ਫਿਕੋ ਫਿਕਾ ਸਦੀਐ ਫਿਕੇ ਫਿਕੀ ਸੋਇ ॥ 
Fiko fikā saḏī▫ai fike fikī so▫e. 

He is called the most insipid of the insipid; the most insipid of the insipid is his reputation. 

ਫਿਕਾ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਟੀਐ ਮੁਹਿ ਥੁਕਾ ਫਿਕੇ ਪਾਇ ॥ 
Fikā ḏargėh satī▫ai muhi thukā fike pā▫e. 

The insipid person is discarded in the Court of the Lord, and the insipid one's face is spat upon. 

ਫਿਕਾ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਆਖੀਐ ਪਾਣਾ ਲਹੈ ਸਜਾਇ ॥੧॥ 
Fikā mūrakẖ ākẖī▫ai pāṇā lahai sajā▫e. ||1|| 

The insipid one is called a fool; he is beaten with shoes in punishment. ||1|| 

 

Discussion of this shabad would be a good idea if anyone is keen. 

 

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On 28/06/2017 at 2:41 AM, ipledgeblue said:

Barbers, Or Nais have other functions these days besides cutting hairs. They might be involved in matrimonial match-making stuff for example.

 

I need to add about sehajdhari sikhs, and it will become controversial for many on this forum.

Firstly, there are many sehajdhari sikhs that have existed from the times of various sikh Gurus. But many of these civilian sikhs and samprdaiye have kind of been disowned by Singh Sabha lehar.

Some of the samprdaiye which include sehajdhari sampradaiye have been mentioned in the Anandpur Resolution to be brought back into the panth. At the moment, most of these sampradaiye are even less visible than the Namdharis. I think Nirmalas have some visibility in the visibly panth. But also Udasis also had large roles, especially when the Singhs had been out fighting before the british Raaj. I am unsure where Sewapanthis fit in besides Bhai Khanaiya's system of helping people with first Aid and stuff.

Then it gets more controversial, there's civilian sikhs who call themselves Nanakpanths, such as sikhs who were in Sindh before partition; are there some in Bihar as well?

I am pretty sure most of these sehajdhari sikhs, especially the sampradaiye are doing more in preserving bani and paat, and also principles of sikhi at least from Guru Nanak. Compared to these, the monas are just drunk or drugged up, the only thing they might have is the name Singh in their name which tries to connect with the panth. The proper sehajdhari sikhs were involved in spreading and preserving sikhi before the angrej arrived, with the sampradaiye being connected to Guru Sahibs in one way or another, but all 3 of the ones I mentioned being blessed or even started by Dasam Patshah. With these sehajdharis, the amridhari Singhs would have been more active in martial rehat. The panth kept tunning like this. However, since the panth is now unbalanced, there's a lot of juggling stuff going on. With martial rehat and bani and keertan and seva. We have become more jack-of-all-trade sikhs than being good at following maryada. 

I mean calling these sikhs as hindus isn't helping. If 'our' moneh could even be sikhs like that then our panth would be so enriched! At he moment it seems some sehajdhari sikhs are called hindu-punjabis because they don't happen to use the name Singh in their name. Throwing around the hindu term isn't going to help, especially if we recognise what the Firanghi did to divide the panth into something unrecognisable.

its a two edged swords with moneh ! 

If you accept them , then you can't just accept them for the numbers ! You will have to accept them as leaders of panth too one day because its natural they will revolt why they're not allowed to vote in panthic matters ! If that happens, rss or other hinduists might pretend to be sahaj dhari sikhs to hinduize sikhi .

If you don't accept them as it is now, then you end up losing demography further and besides the moneh will be absorbed by the hindu mainstream ! 

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On 21/06/2017 at 3:35 AM, Balkaar said:

Bhai Mardana, Baba Buddha and several other mahapurash were Sikh, but not Khalsa, as they had not taken Amrit, for reasons

Maybe you're forgetting @Balkaar ji that amrit was originally called "khande da pahul" and before that we had "charan pahul" to initiate into sikhi. 

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On 21/06/2017 at 8:13 PM, dallysingh101 said:

This is all cyclic. Once any actual fighting has to be done (in the UK at least), they'll quickly lose their arrogance and act like best pals. 

What is weird though is that indifference between sehajdharis and amritdharis has reached a level I've never witnessed before in the UK.  

That all being said, I have noticed apnay (keshdharis and amritdharis) going out of their way to acknowledge me in the last few weeks in London. I think many with brains can sense that things might kick off and know they are vastly outnumbered on all sides - so they'd better get all the help they can. Maybe the majority of the snide, resenting type of amritdhari reside on the internet forums as angry trolls, whilst the rest either don't give a crap about this issue or have more realistic conceptualisations of the wider community? 

A keshdhari boy from a not so strict family once told me that these people resent others because they feel imprisoned themselves and resent the perceived 'freedom' or laxity they think others have. If people are feeling that way about following their faith - it's sad. 

The only arrogance I see is in this post.

"Sehajdharis" like you hid in thick crowd in 1675 too when mullahs asked if any guru ka sikh dared to pick up shees of 9th patshah .  And you will do it again if ever such times come. 

You're the same kind of fellas who wear a 2 tola sone da khanda in your neck and pretend to be sikhs while dancing to the beats of jazzy and yoyo in a "sikh wedding" . 

Atleast amritdharis are honest in their faith . You're the same kind of guys who resent silently the fact that you can't be so dedicated to your faith like them. Why son ? turban and uncut hair is too burden for you ?

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On 21/06/2017 at 8:38 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Most of the SP boys I met years ago, had a strong connection to their roots in various forms. They might not have been angels or particularly disciplined (rehat wise), but they had their own good qualities

I wonder how people feel connected to their roots by cutting their hair ? Its all bull sh!t excuses (and the moneh themselves know it secretly )  to not bear the responsibilities that come with being a khalsa sikh . 

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On 22/06/2017 at 4:01 PM, ipledgeblue said:

When I say rehit, I don't mean just the paper rehit maryada people have now. I mean following the active lifestyle rehit like in the rehitnaamas, rehit that has been followed since Guru Hargobind. Doing things like learning archery, shooting, horse-riding etc Follow Gurus hukam of learning shastar everyday, and also learn martial arts. (See Nihang Singh dals for example)

Instead of being people that religiously follow football and cricket matches, they would be involved in these activities. Then they would be an actual "practising" amrit dhari, as opposed to someone who took amrit just to do paat, which any sehajdhari or "mona" can actually do!

So , @ipledgeblue you're saying a monah can do paath without taking amrit, but can't do archery , shooting, horse-riding ? lol .. 

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On 23/06/2017 at 8:26 PM, dallysingh101 said:

What about gays? Would people call them Sikhs? 

LOL. I forgot to mention this earlier . The answer to your question is a resounding YES ! 

Now I don't want a monnah to tell me otherwise or give me a lecture on morality 

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