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7 hours ago, 5akaalsingh said:

Not acknowledging Sehajdharis as Sikhs would do more harm than good. We're gonna lose demographics just because of pointless discrimination. There are lots of monas who have immense respect for Guru Granth Sahib, more than many amritdharis.

Twisting the meaning of sehajdhari will be doing more harm than good individually and collectively.  

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22 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Twisting the meaning of sehajdhari will be doing more harm than good individually and collectively.  

but hasn't it already...used to mean from non-sikh to sikh , not mona manmukh guilty of going against Guru ji's bachan.

As Christians say you cannot serve two masters (God and Mammon/maya) 

These guys need to drop the babey, murti puja, ganne, mardian masney, burre burre  and get straight with Guru ji

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3 minutes ago, Balkaar said:

What actual good is going to come of this question? There are 25 million Sikhs across the planet, as compared to the 1 billion+ adherents of Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism, all three of which harbor malicious designs against Gursikhi, and you actually wanna reduce the number of Sikhs even further?  

'Sikh' and 'Singh' were never even considered to be the same thing up until very recently. I'd encourage those members arguing otherwise to investigate historical accounts from the era of the Sikh confederacy/empire and base their judgement on these itihaasic facts rather than 20th century prejudices. In particular the distinction between 'Khalsa' and 'Khulasa' Sikhs. 

Just as Sikhs are being whitewashed out of the history of India, the contributions of Sehajdhari Sikhs are also being whitewashed out of the history of the qaum. 

maybe we should encourage their taking up sikhi proper, dastar and gurroop:

1. to protect our sisters, daughters, mothers from fakes

2. to maintain the trust of Guru ji and millions of ancestor who trod the path before us

3. to give something back to the community and to ensure continuity of the panth

 

for the girls :

1. to ensure our community grows and has a healthy egalatarian aspect

2. to create self-empowered gursikhs for the future

3. to create even more role models for up and coming generations

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1 minute ago, Balkaar said:

I agree to an extent, teach the more uneducated sehajdharis Sikh values first, make sure they are entrenched, and a point will come in their lives when they cannot fail to see the value of the Khalsa lifestyle. 

But alienating them by casting aspersions on their loyalty to their Guru:

and guilt-tripping them with stories of our ancestors, which make them start keeping their hair out of a sense of shame or of inadequacy:

Are extremely counterproductive methods which will only lead to more and more people forsaking the Khalsa identity. These methods are way too common, particularly in so-called 'Sikhi' camps, where many kids come away feeling estranged from Amritdharis whom they now begin to regard as fanatics. 

A lot of Amritdharis seem to be completely unaware of the psychological effect they have on non-Khalsa Sikhs. Those who wear Guru's roop, are considered to be representatives of the Guru, the way they behave has a direct impact on Guru's reputation in the eyes of the beholder. So when we get Amritdharis who are cold and exclusionary towards uninformed monaay, how could they not start believing the same about Guru, and drift further and further away from him? 

If we show unconditional pyaar to our sehajdhari brothers and sisters, they will begin to feel pyaar for us, and by direct implication, for the Guru and his bana/rehat. I don't blame monaay for the extent of hair-cutting in the qaum. The onus is on the Khalsa to act, as the steward of the Sikh nation. 

since when is it guilt tripping someone to show them the lmmense love that gursikhs through ages showed towards their future generations.

why shouldn't we expect them to honour the meaning of sikh in full , show allegiance and not by tatooing khandey on their arms but by looking out for their own whereever they are 

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42 minutes ago, Balkaar said:

What actual good is going to come of this question? There are 25 million Sikhs across the planet, as compared to the 1 billion+ adherents of Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism, all three of which harbor malicious designs against Gursikhi, and you actually wanna reduce the number of Sikhs even further.

'Sikh' and 'Singh' were never even considered to be the same thing up until very recently. Those arguing otherwise should investigate historical accounts from the era of the Sikh confederacy/empire and base their judgement on these itihaasic facts rather than 20th century prejudices. In particular the distinction between 'Khalsa' and 'Khulasa' Sikhs. 

Just as Sikhs are being whitewashed out of the history of India, the contributions of Sehajdhari Sikhs are also being whitewashed out of the history of the qaum. 

This question was raised by me just to invite discussion on how we can face the issue that our kaum is facing , namely the apostasy which is just as big a challenge in our "homeland" punjab for us if not more than drugs ! 

You just turn on the punjabi channel and see the environment of punjab. 

IIM amritsar was recently launched and in their batch photo, of 30 young men, I could barely see 2 turbaned ones. Where is our kaum heading to ?

I have never hinted at alienating or guilt-tripping sikhs who cut their hair 

I have always said Khalsa is a panth in sikhi , much like a subset . There could be sikhs who're not khalsa . IMHO, if you believe in 10 guru sahibs and truly understand their message and believe in one god, then you're a sikh ! 

 

The guilt-trip camp was quite famous back in the 90s when we were kids . I always felt it made patit youth even more disinterested in sikhi , and those who were inspired, their inspirations were short lived because inspirations driven by fear are not the proper type.

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9 hours ago, 5akaalsingh said:

Not acknowledging Sehajdharis as Sikhs would do more harm than good. We're gonna lose demographics just because of pointless discrimination. There are lots of monas who have immense respect for Guru Granth Sahib, more than many amritdharis.

So finally some sikhs admit that we're losing a demographic war. 

Whether it's medieval battles or modern silent battles in democracies , demography is necessary for any community to survive. 

Heck ! even the two words sound same : "Demo"cracy and "Demo"graphy.

Democracy favors people who're majority.

No one , esp modern politicians , is going to care you fed homeless people on sundays , that you're extra nice with all the free food in langar for poor , how your religion believes in defending others even at cost of your own life.

All they care for is whether you can vote for them. Then you could be the community which produces most of modern day terrorists, rally in public square asking the PM to be decapitated and bring your no-go sharia zones and you will still have an entire section of media and politics (lefties) to cater to you and pamper you. 

No matter how much we hate the muslims , they're waging a very successful one in pretty much everywhere.

Even now that ramzan is going, I am constantly bombarded with media reports on how politicians are going to iftar parties . Why do these politicians rarely come to langar halls ? and why iftar parties are so common ?

Why in India "minority" means "muslim" for politicians when infact sikhs are a much smaller minority .

Why ?? because vote bank , because numbers. And then you tell a sikh about how we should have more kids and see how he scoffs your idea and runs away 

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