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salute to the lion shaheed sant bhindranwale and other mahan sikh shaheeds of 1984 who fought the tyranny of the Indian establishment


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3 hours ago, genie said:

You asked about Margret thatcher and I told you why specifically she stands out to be anti-sikh she also said some negavtive things about southall sikhs after the southall riots in 1981 against racist white skinhead attacks funded by the etablishment. I would place you in the category of a non-sikh if you think Margret thatcher is someone to be admired you might aswell admire hitler and indira gandhi and aurangzeb and abdali. Real Sikhs do not hold tyrants and evil heartless people as role models.

Both tories and labour have their faults and positives so thats why I didnt make it a political party issue though conservatives are more about making money for the ruling class "elites" wheres the labour party tends to share out the wealth more on Sikh principles.

Go read my past posts about my exposure about role of KGB in lead up to operation blue star you seem to be a newbie on here with no clue about recently discussed topics.

The 1976 and 79 riots were political where the National front came to southall, and they got a good seeing to.#

The 1981 riots were not racially motivated - this was a rock band that was mistaken for a facist rock band - and they got beaten up along with their skinhead fans ( not all skinheads were racists, these were the ska movement like mods).

'Funded by the establishment' - you need to get off your conspiracy theories - were you actually around at that time ?

The asian business man was developed under thatcher in the 80's - she wasnt racist - she actually knocked out the NF  - with her controlled immigration policies and many sikhs prospered at that time.

With your view on socialist  secular parties like Labour - let them come to power and then you will see their stance on Sikhs - they have the most number of pakistani muslim mps and actually favour them when they play the race card.

It is the secular governments across Europe that have banned sikh articles of faith.

Finally i would like to emphasise my point - the Thatcher may have been consulted on the planning of Opertaion bluestar - but she was not ultimatley responsible.

It was our own so called leaders who let us down - and have done untold damage to sikhi

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anybody know of anywhere Sant ji's speeches are transcripted and translated into english ... preferably video with subtitles I would love for all of them to hear his voice and understand totally what he was and where he was coming from , because their indian cousins/aunts/uncles are brainwashed and have been spouting off in their ignorance

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27 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

anybody know of anywhere Sant ji's speeches are transcripted and translated into english ... preferably video with subtitles I would love for all of them to hear his voice and understand totally what he was and where he was coming from , because their indian cousins/aunts/uncles are brainwashed and have been spouting off in their ignorance

There is a book as well. 'Fighting for Truth and Justice.' You can find it on Punjab Digital Library and read it for free.

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48 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

anybody know of anywhere Sant ji's speeches are transcripted and translated into english ... preferably video with subtitles I would love for all of them to hear his voice and understand totally what he was and where he was coming from , because their indian cousins/aunts/uncles are brainwashed and have been spouting off in their ignorance

You can find Sant Jarnail Singh's speeches and Kathas on YouTube. If you were expecting Subcontinentals to listen to him, well many have already completely shut their ears to him, (even some Sikhs). Your best bet for inspiring them is to mention what he has done for everyone. If they already dislike him, they will just say India is right, if they are sensible, they'll at least listen. Indians have an unhealthy sense of extreme nationalism, (the difference between patriots and nationalist is one is for the people, while one sides with the establishment). 

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11 hours ago, genie said:

Off course she was a racist alot of the white tory elitists were racist and probably still are even some of the socialist leftists are covert racists but thats besides the point. Its like you saying indira gandhi wasnt anti-sikh genocidal maniac because she had sikh bodyguard or made a token puppet Sikh president of India yet went on to attack darbar sahib killing thousands of Sikhs and then allowing further operations to kill more sikhs in the countryside.

Eitherway in my eyes your points are invalidated because your in all probability a non-sikh having stated you are admire thatcher (aka hitler/aurangzeb/jaspat rai/indira gandh)i. No Sikh does that and thus your probably a hindu punjabi or punjabi atheist.... so go to a forum where your people admire the killers or conspirators against Sikhs.

Because of you, I would urge people to vote for Labour and corbyn.

I dont have any particular party loyalties though I'm pretty right wing on most issues. I only vote for the party that gives the best deal for Sikh interests and at the moment only corbyn is offering a good deal for Sikhs.

 

as soon as someone has views different to you people on this forum - you make out how they are non Sikh of atheist.

Seriouslly.... at this rate you guys will be in a little world of your own.

Going on about which foreign governments advised on Operation bluestar wont make a blind bit of difference to the cause.

We Sikhs here in the UK - cant forget about the terrible events of the 1980's in Punjab, but its also important to realize we have little or no political leverage here in UK.

33 years on, and nothing.

We really need to concentrate on those issues facing us today - and voting for the right party and prime minister is key to that.

My main concern is how Sikhs in UK and Europe will be affected by growing tensions, not dragging up something  based on accusations that have surfaced to be used for political mileage by those who have no care for Sikhs or sikhi

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9 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

Some good points made in this thread, from all sides, but comparing Thatcher to Hitler etc? Really? It's because of ridiculous statements like this no one really takes Sikhs serious. The loudest Sikh voices often use little logic, instead it's all emotion. 

maybe in terms of using other fascistic regimes for own purposes then similar ...

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On 6/8/2017 at 1:35 AM, jkvlondon said:

anybody know of anywhere Sant ji's speeches are transcripted and translated into english ... preferably video with subtitles I would love for all of them to hear his voice and understand totally what he was and where he was coming from , because their indian cousins/aunts/uncles are brainwashed and have been spouting off in their ignorance

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/BirRassProductions/videos

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/wagwanblad/videos

 

these 2 youtube channels have sant ji vids with english translations.

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