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salute to the lion shaheed sant bhindranwale and other mahan sikh shaheeds of 1984 who fought the tyranny of the Indian establishment

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QUESTION! Why is Margaret Thatcher mentioned in tag? Was there any evidence Torie's were involved after all? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!? Or did a labour MP randomly announce Tories were involved AND we sentimental Sikhs agreed, pretending there is hardcore evidence??

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3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

There have been releases of docs which then got disappeared (because the researcher mentioned what he found) that she was consulted on the post hamla operations like woodrose , how to  change laws to allow holding people without charges etc etc

these are the declassified docs we are entitled to but the conservatives hid them saying that was all of them...thus Labours involvement  in their manifesto

Good reply I was going to go into detail to explain to him why the tag, but I think he is a troll or deliberately trying to provoke an nonsensical argument so I'm going to give him a short sharp reply below.

4 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

QUESTION! Why is Margaret Thatcher mentioned in tag? Was there any evidence Torie's were involved after all? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE!? Or did a labour MP randomly announce Tories were involved AND we sentimental Sikhs agreed, pretending there is hardcore evidence??

Question is why does it bother you so much?

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All this stuff about Thatcher being involved is political milage being used by the Labour party.

At that time (throughout the 80's), we had a Sikh labour candidate in Southall - a prominent Khalistani and member of Singh Sabha southall committee.

Nothing was ever mentioned or suggested then about Thatchers involvement.

 

This has all been bought up, because David Cameron was improving relations with the Sikhs above all other Asian communities.

 

The labour party have 13 Pakistani Mp's how many of them would speak up about Grooming ( of Sikh girls in particular).

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2 hours ago, satsangee said:

All this stuff about Thatcher being involved is political milage being used by the Labour party.

At that time (throughout the 80's), we had a Sikh labour candidate in Southall - a prominent Khalistani and member of Singh Sabha southall committee.

Nothing was ever mentioned or suggested then about Thatchers involvement.

 

This has all been bought up, because David Cameron was improving relations with the Sikhs above all other Asian communities.

 

The labour party have 13 Pakistani Mp's how many of them would speak up about Grooming ( of Sikh girls in particular).

Doesnt matter what part it is, what matters is who is pro-sikh and who has and had anti-sikh policies in place.

Be it labour party or conservative party that's irrelevant, Margaret thatcher definitely had blood of the Sikhs on her hands be it indirectly. She not only provided military support (weapons and Military intelligence) to indira's govt but also while innocent sikh civilians were being raped and butchered and burnt alive in the streets of new delhi she started to condemn British Sikhs back home for celebrating the death of indira hitler gandhi rather than condemn the genocide that was taking place in the same Indian city she was in against Sikhs. The heartless evil b1tch didnt say one word about the 5,000+ Sikhs murdered in 3 days not a single word about it.

Any Sikh with half a brain must hate her and her legacy for that and not defend her like some shameless beasts have tried to do.

You can be a tory or a labour party supporter makes no difference you do not defend the person who has contributed to the death and destruction at sri harmandir sahib in 1984. If any Sikh conservative is found to be proud of Margret thatcher then I would class him/her as a non-sikh thus should never speak or stand up on the behalf of Sikhs.

That m0ron fake Sikh paul uppal knew the strength of feelings Sikhs have about the genocide in 1984 yet he did not campaign to get all the files out the British establishment holds about its role in the genocide he went along with the narrative of david camerons govt that British had a very limited role yet hundreds of files were locked away or not looked at properly. And thus he was unelected in the last general election. If any so called Sikh's political party is more important than their Sikh religion then shame on them and the mother that gave birth to them simple as that.

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1 hour ago, genie said:

Doesnt matter what part it is, what matters is who is pro-sikh and who has and had anti-sikh policies in place.

Be it labour party or conservative party that's irrelevant, Margaret thatcher definitely had blood of the Sikhs on her hands be it indirectly. She not only provided military support (weapons and Military intelligence) to indira's govt but also while innocent sikh civilians were being raped and butchered and burnt alive in the streets of new delhi she started to condemn British Sikhs back home for celebrating the death of indira hitler gandhi rather than condemn the genocide that was taking place in the same Indian city she was in against Sikhs. The heartless evil b1tch didnt say one word about the 5,000+ Sikhs murdered in 3 days not a single word about it.

Any Sikh with half a brain must hate her and her legacy for that and not defend her like some shameless beasts have tried to do.

You can be a tory or a labour party supporter makes no difference you do not defend the person who has contributed to the death and destruction at sri harmandir sahib in 1984. If any Sikh conservative is found to be proud of Margret thatcher then I would class him/her as a non-sikh thus should never speak or stand up on the behalf of Sikhs.

That m0ron fake Sikh paul uppal knew the strength of feelings Sikhs have about the genocide in 1984 yet he did not campaign to get all the files out the British establishment holds about its role in the genocide he went along with the narrative of david camerons govt that British had a very limited role yet hundreds of files were locked away or not looked at properly. And thus he was unelected in the last general election. If any so called Sikh's political party is more important than their Sikh religion then shame on them and the mother that gave birth to them simple as that.

At that time India was doing deals with this British government for Westland helicopters and Sea harrier fighter planes, therefore there was nothing that was going to sabotage the cooperation between 2 governments.

To be honest I admire Thatcher, Sikhs were given all the rights to live here peacefully without fear for losing the right to wear kakkars.

Yes Operation bluestar can never be forgiven, but may be we should look internally for those who let down Sant ji and continue to do so today.

The Akali party misled and betrayed Sant ji, yet Sikhs in Punjab continue to support Akalis.

While countless Sikhs were being martyred during the army action, badal, tohra, longowal and barnala were under police protection.

There were many grasses within gurudware in the UK that betrayed the Khalistan movement and Jathebandis

So if anyone has blood on their hands its our own leaders - we cant even elect a decent leader of our own, how can we point the finger at anyone else.

33 years later were unable to find out where the contents of the Sikh reference libraray are - and yet on the other hand were bringing up Thatcers involvement.

It was the KGB who were involved - are you suggesting we also bring them to book as well ?

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3 hours ago, genie said:

You asked about Margret thatcher and I told you why specifically she stands out to be anti-sikh she also said some negavtive things about southall sikhs after the southall riots in 1981 against racist white skinhead attacks funded by the etablishment. I would place you in the category of a non-sikh if you think Margret thatcher is someone to be admired you might aswell admire hitler and indira gandhi and aurangzeb and abdali. Real Sikhs do not hold tyrants and evil heartless people as role models.

Both tories and labour have their faults and positives so thats why I didnt make it a political party issue though conservatives are more about making money for the ruling class "elites" wheres the labour party tends to share out the wealth more on Sikh principles.

Go read my past posts about my exposure about role of KGB in lead up to operation blue star you seem to be a newbie on here with no clue about recently discussed topics.

The 1976 and 79 riots were political where the National front came to southall, and they got a good seeing to.#

The 1981 riots were not racially motivated - this was a rock band that was mistaken for a facist rock band - and they got beaten up along with their skinhead fans ( not all skinheads were racists, these were the ska movement like mods).

'Funded by the establishment' - you need to get off your conspiracy theories - were you actually around at that time ?

The asian business man was developed under thatcher in the 80's - she wasnt racist - she actually knocked out the NF  - with her controlled immigration policies and many sikhs prospered at that time.

With your view on socialist  secular parties like Labour - let them come to power and then you will see their stance on Sikhs - they have the most number of pakistani muslim mps and actually favour them when they play the race card.

It is the secular governments across Europe that have banned sikh articles of faith.

Finally i would like to emphasise my point - the Thatcher may have been consulted on the planning of Opertaion bluestar - but she was not ultimatley responsible.

It was our own so called leaders who let us down - and have done untold damage to sikhi

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1 hour ago, satsangee said:

The 1976 and 79 riots were political where the National front came to southall, and they got a good seeing to.#

The 1981 riots were not racially motivated - this was a rock band that was mistaken for a facist rock band - and they got beaten up along with their skinhead fans ( not all skinheads were racists, these were the ska movement like mods).

'Funded by the establishment' - you need to get off your conspiracy theories - were you actually around at that time ?

The asian business man was developed under thatcher in the 80's - she wasnt racist - she actually knocked out the NF  - with her controlled immigration policies and many sikhs prospered at that time.

With your view on socialist  secular parties like Labour - let them come to power and then you will see their stance on Sikhs - they have the most number of pakistani muslim mps and actually favour them when they play the race card.

It is the secular governments across Europe that have banned sikh articles of faith.

Finally i would like to emphasise my point - the Thatcher may have been consulted on the planning of Opertaion bluestar - but she was not ultimatley responsible.

It was our own so called leaders who let us down - and have done untold damage to sikhi

Off course she was a racist alot of the white tory elitists were racist and probably still are even some of the socialist leftists are covert racists but thats besides the point. Its like you saying indira gandhi wasnt anti-sikh genocidal maniac because she had sikh bodyguard or made a token puppet Sikh president of India yet went on to attack darbar sahib killing thousands of Sikhs and then allowing further operations to kill more sikhs in the countryside.

Eitherway in my eyes your points are invalidated because your in all probability a non-sikh having stated you are admire thatcher (aka hitler/aurangzeb/jaspat rai/indira gandh)i. No Sikh does that and thus your probably a hindu punjabi or punjabi atheist.... so go to a forum where your people admire the killers or conspirators against Sikhs.

Because of you, I would urge people to vote for Labour and corbyn.

I dont have any particular party loyalties though I'm pretty right wing on most issues. I only vote for the party that gives the best deal for Sikh interests and at the moment only corbyn is offering a good deal for Sikhs.

 

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anybody know of anywhere Sant ji's speeches are transcripted and translated into english ... preferably video with subtitles I would love for all of them to hear his voice and understand totally what he was and where he was coming from , because their indian cousins/aunts/uncles are brainwashed and have been spouting off in their ignorance

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27 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

anybody know of anywhere Sant ji's speeches are transcripted and translated into english ... preferably video with subtitles I would love for all of them to hear his voice and understand totally what he was and where he was coming from , because their indian cousins/aunts/uncles are brainwashed and have been spouting off in their ignorance

There is a book as well. 'Fighting for Truth and Justice.' You can find it on Punjab Digital Library and read it for free.

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48 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

anybody know of anywhere Sant ji's speeches are transcripted and translated into english ... preferably video with subtitles I would love for all of them to hear his voice and understand totally what he was and where he was coming from , because their indian cousins/aunts/uncles are brainwashed and have been spouting off in their ignorance

You can find Sant Jarnail Singh's speeches and Kathas on YouTube. If you were expecting Subcontinentals to listen to him, well many have already completely shut their ears to him, (even some Sikhs). Your best bet for inspiring them is to mention what he has done for everyone. If they already dislike him, they will just say India is right, if they are sensible, they'll at least listen. Indians have an unhealthy sense of extreme nationalism, (the difference between patriots and nationalist is one is for the people, while one sides with the establishment). 

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11 hours ago, genie said:

Off course she was a racist alot of the white tory elitists were racist and probably still are even some of the socialist leftists are covert racists but thats besides the point. Its like you saying indira gandhi wasnt anti-sikh genocidal maniac because she had sikh bodyguard or made a token puppet Sikh president of India yet went on to attack darbar sahib killing thousands of Sikhs and then allowing further operations to kill more sikhs in the countryside.

Eitherway in my eyes your points are invalidated because your in all probability a non-sikh having stated you are admire thatcher (aka hitler/aurangzeb/jaspat rai/indira gandh)i. No Sikh does that and thus your probably a hindu punjabi or punjabi atheist.... so go to a forum where your people admire the killers or conspirators against Sikhs.

Because of you, I would urge people to vote for Labour and corbyn.

I dont have any particular party loyalties though I'm pretty right wing on most issues. I only vote for the party that gives the best deal for Sikh interests and at the moment only corbyn is offering a good deal for Sikhs.

 

as soon as someone has views different to you people on this forum - you make out how they are non Sikh of atheist.

Seriouslly.... at this rate you guys will be in a little world of your own.

Going on about which foreign governments advised on Operation bluestar wont make a blind bit of difference to the cause.

We Sikhs here in the UK - cant forget about the terrible events of the 1980's in Punjab, but its also important to realize we have little or no political leverage here in UK.

33 years on, and nothing.

We really need to concentrate on those issues facing us today - and voting for the right party and prime minister is key to that.

My main concern is how Sikhs in UK and Europe will be affected by growing tensions, not dragging up something  based on accusations that have surfaced to be used for political mileage by those who have no care for Sikhs or sikhi

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On 06/06/2017 at 8:55 PM, genie said:

This amazing picture sums it up best

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Some good points made in this thread, from all sides, but comparing Thatcher to Hitler etc? Really? It's because of ridiculous statements like this no one really takes Sikhs serious. The loudest Sikh voices often use little logic, instead it's all emotion. 

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9 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

Some good points made in this thread, from all sides, but comparing Thatcher to Hitler etc? Really? It's because of ridiculous statements like this no one really takes Sikhs serious. The loudest Sikh voices often use little logic, instead it's all emotion. 

maybe in terms of using other fascistic regimes for own purposes then similar ...

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On 6/8/2017 at 1:35 AM, jkvlondon said:

anybody know of anywhere Sant ji's speeches are transcripted and translated into english ... preferably video with subtitles I would love for all of them to hear his voice and understand totally what he was and where he was coming from , because their indian cousins/aunts/uncles are brainwashed and have been spouting off in their ignorance

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/BirRassProductions/videos

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/wagwanblad/videos

 

these 2 youtube channels have sant ji vids with english translations.

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