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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Daas has been going around the internet for a while, and is very confused about Bhagat Soordaas and His Baani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

I have read that Bhagat Soordas Ji only has 1 line in SGGS:
ਛਾਡਿ ਮਨ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਮੁਖਨ ਕੋ ਸੰਗੁ ॥

But I also read that line may be Kachi baani, and the Soordas Shabad Written By Guru Arjan Dev Ji (According to the Mehla) was actually written by Bhagat Soordaas Ji:
ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ਸਾਰੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਸੂਰਦਾਸ ॥
ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸੰਗ ਬਸੇ ਹਰਿ ਲੋਕ ॥
ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਅਰਪਿ ਸਰਬਸੁ ਸਭੁ ਅਰਪਿਓ ਅਨਦ ਸਹਜ ਧੁਨਿ ਝੋਕ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਦਰਸਨੁ ਪੇਖਿ ਭਏ ਨਿਰਬਿਖਈ ਪਾਏ ਹੈ ਸਗਲੇ ਥੋਕ ॥
ਆਨ ਬਸਤੁ ਸਿਉ ਕਾਜੁ ਨ ਕਛੂਐ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਬਦਨ ਅਲੋਕ ॥੧॥
ਸਿਆਮ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਤਜਿ ਆਨ ਜੁ ਚਾਹਤ ਜਿਉ ਕੁਸਟੀ ਤਨਿ ਜੋਕ ॥
ਸੂਰਦਾਸ ਮਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਹਥਿ ਲੀਨੋ ਦੀਨੋ ਇਹੁ ਪਰਲੋਕ ॥੨॥੧॥੮॥


When I was looking around the net, I saw that people said that Bhai Baano had inserted Kachi Baani into the Banno Bir (Mirabai, Soordas, etc.)

I never understood what Kachi Baani was inserted, so I went online again and looked at some Puratan Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and I found this:
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It looks as if there is a whole shabad to the 1 line that is attributed to Bhagat Soordas Ji. I attempted to type it up:

ਛਾਡਿ ਮਨ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਮੁਖਨ ਕੋ ਸੰਗੁ ॥
ਕਹਾਭਏਪੀਪਾਂਇਪੀਆਏਬਿਖਨਤਜੈਭੁਇਅੰਗ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਕਾਂਗਾਕਾਹਕਪੂਰਚੁਗਾਂਏਸੁਆਨਨਵਾਇਐਰੰਗ ॥
ਖਰਕਉਕਹਾਅਗਰਕੋਲੇਪਨੁਮਰਕਟਭੂਖਨਅੰਗ ॥੧॥
ਪਾਹਨਪਤਿਤਬਾਨਨਬੇਧੇਰੀਤੇਹੋਇਨਿਖੰਗ ॥
ਸੂਰਦਾਸਓਇਕਾਰੀਕਮਰੀਚੜਤਨਦੂਜੇਰੰਗ ॥੨॥੧॥



Can anyone explain what is happening here? Is the shabad typed above Kachi Baani? Is the Soordas Shabad that starts with "ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸੰਗ ਬਸੇ ਹਰਿ ਲੋਕ ॥" actually written by Bhagat Soordas Ji instead of Guru Arjan Dev Ji?

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Koi    272

Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhidran Wale explains this in their katha. 

When Bhagat Soordas Ji  was asked recite their bani by Panjve Paatshah, they read the first line and went into samadhi. (Chhad Man Har Bimukhan Ko Sang).

Then Guru Ju composed Sarang M5 Soordas. When Bhagat Ji came out of samadhi, they did complete the shabad, but Guru Ji  said we will only accept the first line for Gurbani

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13 hours ago, Koi said:

Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhidran Wale explains this in their katha. 

When Bhagat Soordas Ji  was asked recite their bani by Panjve Paatshah, they read the first line and went into samadhi. (Chhad Man Har Bimukhan Ko Sang).

Then Guru Ju composed Sarang M5 Soordas. When Bhagat Ji came out of samadhi, they did complete the shabad, but Guru Ji  said we will only accept the first line for Gurbani

I have heard of this story before. How does that explain the full shabad after the first line then? Why do some Puratan Saroops say Bhagat Soordas Ji instead of M:5?

No disrespect for Bhai Gurbachan Singh, but this story is hard to believe after I saw the pictures.

Anyone know what Gurbani Scholars who did Khoj on Puratan Saroops say about this?

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H908    15

You should listen to sant Gurbachan singh Ji's katha of the shabad on ang 1253. They say that guru sahib finished the shabad but bhai banno's puratan Bir has bhagat Ji's complete shabad that they finished after coming out of samadhi

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Koi    272
11 hours ago, Guest SinghInDubdha said:

I have heard of this story before. How does that explain the full shabad after the first line then? Why do some Puratan Saroops say Bhagat Soordas Ji instead of M:5?

No disrespect for Bhai Gurbachan Singh, but this story is hard to believe after I saw the pictures.

Anyone know what Gurbani Scholars who did Khoj on Puratan Saroops say about this?

The pictures actually prove the story. There are many Birs that have the full shabad. But those with the Guru's signature and those written by Baba Deep Singh Ji and Bhai Mani Singh Ji will only have the one line.

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Akalifauj    792
16 hours ago, Guest SinghInDubdha said:

 

Anyone know what Gurbani Scholars who did Khoj on Puratan Saroops say about this?

Who are these Gurbani scholars you are wanting sangat to present.  How many puratan saroops have you looked at to say Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji doesn't make sense?  Which puratan saroops have you looked at so far? Name them and when you looked at them and where you looked at them? 

 

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21 hours ago, H908 said:

You should listen to sant Gurbachan singh Ji's katha of the shabad on ang 1253. They say that guru sahib finished the shabad but bhai banno's puratan Bir has bhagat Ji's complete shabad that they finished after coming out of samadhi

This is why I'm asking.

The story is weird because Bhai Bhanno insterted Kachi Baani into the Bir he copied from what I have read online. They say he included the Mirabai Shabad (Which is Kachi Baani).

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11 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Who are these Gurbani scholars you are wanting sangat to present.  How many puratan saroops have you looked at to say Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji doesn't make sense?  Which puratan saroops have you looked at so far? Name them and when you looked at them and where you looked at them? 

 

All I know is Scholars like Bhai Gian Singh Nihung, Bhai Randhir Singh of the SGPC, Joginder Singh Vedanti, and Joginder Singh Talwara did Khoj of Puratan Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj.

Does anyone know what they have said?

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Akalifauj    792
On 2017-6-6 at 7:19 PM, Guest SinghInDubdha said:

All I know is Scholars like Bhai Gian Singh Nihung, Bhai Randhir Singh of the SGPC, Joginder Singh Vedanti, and Joginder Singh Talwara did Khoj of Puratan Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj.

Does anyone know what they have said?

You have presented what looks to be three different Saroops.  Which Saroops are these?

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singhdalbir    19

Here is katha by Giani Sant Singh ji Maskeen about this one shabad and I hope this clarifies the confusion. 

 

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singhdalbir    19

There are many Bir written by Bhai Bhanno. All the Bir written by Bhai Bhanno WILL HAVE Kachi Bani. Hence the Saroop written by him are not our GURU because it includes Kachi Bani.

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