Kalki avtar

[Guest indi]

Hello

what is kalki avatar about? Is guru ji speaking about the future(our times) 

is there going to be another avatar coming in Uttar Pardesh ?

thanks 

 

[Guest Jacfsing2]

11 hours ago, Guest indi said:

Hello

what is kalki avatar about? Is guru ji speaking about the future(our times) 

is there going to be another avatar coming in Uttar Pardesh ?

thanks 

Kalki Avatar,(important to know, he does NOT sit on the throne of Guru Sahib), is suppose to be some Devti who will be the last judgement, (supposedly), according to the story, there will be nothing but sin, and that Sikhs will forget everything and this guy will bring all sinners in final judgement. Next the story says Kalki will be corrupt and some Sikh will bring him to justice and establish Khalsa Raj. The story is a metaphor, and that metaphor is Sikhs will only rule the world, when they realize they are in control.

[MisterrSingh]

Why not appear in a western city in Europe? Why is it always in a dusty third world country? It's almost as if the people in that fairly uncivilised location are more susceptible to believing in the presence of a divine visitation compared to your typically non-believing middle class westerner. Are those of us in the West not worthy of emancipation via the graces of an avatar of God?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

18 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Why not appear in a western city in Europe? Why is it always in a dusty third world country? It's almost as if the people in that fairly uncivilised location are more susceptible to believing in the presence of a divine visitation compared to your typically non-believing middle class westerner. Are those of us in the West not worthy of emancipation via the graces of an avatar of God?

The West had it's own Devti, whether that be Norse mythology, Greek, Celtic, or Roman mythology, they certainly had their choice of Devti, the only difference is they decided on Christianity, (a Middle-Eastern religion), Arabia had their own sets of Devti and Mecca used to be Devti headquarters, the Kabba used to be a moon god temple, but they chose Islam. The Americas had their own Devti, some of which are still worshiped in the middle of Native American reservations, though for the most part they chose another religion. Same way with India, the only real difference is that the logical people, (Sikhs), didn't care about the average Subcontinentals souls enough to free them from worshipping Devti. (And Buddha followers decided these Devti worshippers were too unintelligent, so they spread outward instead of staying in India). But don't worry about some Kalki Avatar, the story is mostly metaphor to teach us something.

[BhForce]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Why not appear in a western city in Europe? Why is it always in a dusty third world country? It's almost as if the people in that fairly uncivilised location are more susceptible to believing in the presence of a divine visitation compared to your typically non-believing middle class westerner.

Without going into the teleology of the Kalki Avatar:

I'm sorry to say this, but why do we always engage in self-hatred? At the time that these writings were written, India was not a 3rd world country. In fact, there were no first world (US-allied), second world (USSR-allied), or third world (neutral, usually poor and developing) countries. At the time, "India" was the largest economy in the world, so you could say, the prophecy was for a first world country:

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A British economist named Agnus Maddison,  Professor Emeritus, University of Groningen authored a book titled "The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective". Using the modern techniques and his own research on ancient economics he claims that India has been the largest economy in the World until 17th Century A.D.

 

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Are those of us in the West not worthy of emancipation via the graces of an avatar of God?

I don't know why God does what He does, but there are no major higher (scriptural) religions originating in the "West", they all come from Asia. And Akal Purakh's own Panth (Sikh Panth) comes from our homeland, called Maddardesh (motherland) by Guru Gobind Singh ji in his autobiography (Apni Katha).

[MisterrSingh]

43 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Without going into the teleology of the Kalki Avatar:

I'm sorry to say this, but why do we always engage in self-hatred? At the time that these writings were written, India was not a 3rd world country. In fact, there were no first world (US-allied), second world (USSR-allied), or third world (neutral, usually poor and developing) countries. At the time, "India" was the largest economy in the world, so you could say, the prophecy was for a first world country:

I was referring to Christianity and the other faiths of the book where the "modern" concept of revelation came to be known. "Third world" may have been the wrong phrase to use. It's not self hatred to ask these questions. Yet, equating the economic prowess of a country (an economy which is in the hands of a tiny and powerful elite) to the broad levels of education and awareness of the millions of people in the general population who rarely, if ever, see the fruits of such economies, is slightly misleading. 

History has made abundantly clear throughout the ages that for any social movement (be it political or religious) to take a foothold in society, the disenfranchised, the poor, and the generally downtrodden who have the most to gain from the disruption of the status quo, must be galvanised by a central figure or a set of beliefs. The less educated and easily corralled they are, the easier it is to convince them that their saviour will liberate them from the evils of those who at the top. Who sacrifices the most for the cause? Who spills the most blood? What type of demographic makes up the numbers of these irresistible movements? It's certainly not the bourgeois leadership. It's the little man who's expected to give everything for the cause.  Our history differs in this instance due to the sacrifices made by our Guru Sahibs, whereby they didn't hesitate to give their own lives and those of their direct family for their beliefs. The lowly peasant wasn't left to exclusively shoulder the burden of loss.

[Mahakaal96]

8 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Kalki Avatar,(important to know, he does NOT sit on the throne of Guru Sahib), is suppose to be some Devti who will be the last judgement, (supposedly), according to the story, there will be nothing but sin, and that Sikhs will forget everything and this guy will bring all sinners in final judgement. Next the story says Kalki will be corrupt and some Sikh will bring him to justice and establish Khalsa Raj. The story is a metaphor, and that metaphor is Sikhs will only rule the world, when they realize they are in control.

Before you decide to comment I think it's best to reflect on whether you have the capacity & knowledge to answer what you are about to answer. When those with less then adequate knowledge attempt to answer on a subject they know very little about then no one benefits, instead the questioner is given false information & the answerer entrenches falsehood.

Kalki Avtar will be the 24th Avtar of Vishnu. Kalki will be a devta & not a devti as written above.  

Kalki will appear towards the end of Kalyug... the duration of Kalyug is 432,000 years... we have only gone through about 5,000 yrs or so. 

Kalki Avtar will appear in a place called Sambhal in UP.

The story of Kalki Avtar is NOT a methaphor.... in Sri Dasam Granth Mahraj has written about all previous 23 avatars of Vishnu, there are many references to these avtars & their existence in Gurbani & other dharmic granths. Therefore it is absolute nonsense to dismiss the 24th Avtar of Vishnu as a methaphor when the 23 previous ones weren't.

As for the argument about avtars in East vs West... it's nonsensical & childish really.  Guru Nanak travelled to the west during their udasis & Sri Guru Granth Sahib resides all over the west... who says god doesn't appear in the west? 

My advice to OP, forget this site & its members.. you won't find anything of much substance on here... read Gurbani yourself & get the answers from the best possible source available 

[Mahakaal96]

4 minutes ago, Mahakaal96 said:

Before you decide to comment I think it's best to reflect on whether you have the capacity & knowledge to answer what you are about to answer. When those with less then adequate knowledge attempt to answer on a subject they know very little about then no one benefits, instead the questioner is given false information & the answerer entrenches falsehood.

Kalki Avtar will be the 24th Avtar of Vishnu. Kalki will be a devta & not a devti as written above.  

Kalki will appear towards the end of Kalyug... the duration of Kalyug is 432,000 years... we have only gone through about 5,000 yrs or so. 

Kalki Avtar will appear in a place called Sambhal in UP.

The story of Kalki Avtar is NOT a methaphor.... in Sri Dasam Granth Mahraj has written about all previous 23 avatars of Vishnu, there are many references to these avtars & their existence in Gurbani & other dharmic granths. Therefore it is absolute nonsense to dismiss the 24th Avtar of Vishnu as a methaphor when the 23 previous ones weren't.

As for the argument about avtars in East vs West... it's nonsensical & childish really.  Guru Nanak travelled to the west during their udasis & Sri Guru Granth Sahib resides all over the west... who says god doesn't appear in the west? 

My advice to OP, forget this site & its members.. you won't find anything of much substance on here... read Gurbani yourself & get the answers from the best possible source available 

 

[Mahakaal96]

7 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The West had it's own Devti, whether that be Norse mythology, Greek, Celtic, or Roman mythology, they certainly had their choice of Devti, the only difference is they decided on Christianity, (a Middle-Eastern religion), Arabia had their own sets of Devti and Mecca used to be Devti headquarters, the Kabba used to be a moon god temple, but they chose Islam. The Americas had their own Devti, some of which are still worshiped in the middle of Native American reservations, though for the most part they chose another religion. Same way with India, the only real difference is that the logical people, (Sikhs), didn't care about the average Subcontinentals souls enough to free them from worshipping Devti. (And Buddha followers decided these Devti worshippers were too unintelligent, so they spread outward instead of staying in India). But don't worry about some Kalki Avatar, the story is mostly metaphor to teach us something.

The Kabba contains a Shiv lingham....

[jkvlondon]

9 hours ago, BhForce said:

Without going into the teleology of the Kalki Avatar:

I'm sorry to say this, but why do we always engage in self-hatred? At the time that these writings were written, India was not a 3rd world country. In fact, there were no first world (US-allied), second world (USSR-allied), or third world (neutral, usually poor and developing) countries. At the time, "India" was the largest economy in the world, so you could say, the prophecy was for a first world country:

 

I don't know why God does what He does, but there are no major higher (scriptural) religions originating in the "West", they all come from Asia. And Akal Purakh's own Panth (Sikh Panth) comes from our homeland, called Maddardesh (motherland) by Guru Gobind Singh ji in his autobiography (Apni Katha).

but you forget Guru Sahiban did numerous  parchaar journeys Guru Nanak Dev ji himself travelled to the centres of ALL the world's major religions and talked to the head honchos then.