Brainwashed Sikhs how to stop them defending Islam and other non-sikh ideologies?

[MisterrSingh]

25 minutes ago, genie said:

We need to deradicalise them from leftist marxist liberal brainwashing and teach them that even in Sikh scriptures the SGGS Ji Guru nanak spoke out against pandits and qazi mullahs who ordered the inhuman treatment of others.

 

Life will undertake the de-radicalisation process. We won't have to lift a finger. If you have it in you, just be prepared to help your brothers and sisters if they ask for a helping hand.

[BhForce]

OK, this is a repost of something in another thread, but it shows how even everyday things like Rehiras can/will? be considered "Islamophobic":

ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥

the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept them.

ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੬੪੨ ਪੰ. ੧੧

Hitching our wagon to the "Islamophobia" train will mean destroying our religion.

[genie]

5 minutes ago, BhForce said:

OK, this is a repost of something in another thread, but it shows how even everyday things like Rehiras can/will? be considered "Islamophobic":

ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥

the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept them.

ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੬੪੨ ਪੰ. ੧੧

Hitching our wagon to the "Islamophobia" train will mean destroying our religion.

Yes the "islamophobic" crew are pushing radicalisation on youth towards either the regressive leftist marxist narrative or the equally regressive pro-islamic narrative.

How is this being done? Because these highly impressionable young Sikhs are being left easily pickings for brainwashing by their liberal leftist atheist marxist and muslim friends and peers. Its the sangat they are surrounded by thats influencing them......In a nutshell the strange bedfellows of leftist marxist atheist camp has joined hands with the islamo-fascists.

Its an all out ideological warfare out there trying to groom young minds to their causes.

Sikhs in the west we need to step up our game if we are to save our kaum especially the future youth. Doing nothing and "senu key" approach as some in our community has adopted is not an option

[MisterrSingh]

One important issue that I must mention is that we must never succumb to hate and irrationality, otherwise there's simply no winning any argument. Base all conversations on rational and sensible methods of discussion. Nobody takes you seriously if you're frothing at the mouth, no matter perfectly correct you may be. Combatting untruth is as much as the image being presented to those that need to be convinced, than the substance of the argument itself. It's an invariably laborious and protracted way of dealing with an issue that more often than not inflames passions, but don't leave yourself open to accusations of foolishness or simple mindedness. That's the world we live in unfortunately, whereby image outweighs truth. If you can manage to marry the two in an effective package, that's the best way to do it. 

[genie]

3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

One important issue that I must mention is that we must never succumb to hate and irrationality, otherwise there's simply no winning any argument. Base all conversations on rational and sensible methods of discussion. Nobody takes you seriously if you're frothing at the mouth, no matter perfectly correct you may be. Combatting untruth is as much as the image being presented to those that need to be convinced, than the substance of the argument itself. It's an invariably laborious and protracted way of dealing with an issue that more often than not inflames passions, but don't leave yourself open to accusations of foolishness or simple mindedness. That's the world we live in unfortunately, whereby image outweighs truth. If you can manage to marry the two in an effective package, that's the best way to do it. 

Good advice bad mouthing only further isolates them into the enemies camp.

The truth and facts will stand alone to convince them to the right way of thinking.

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

wow  that tweet is seriously sikhphobic, it's sikhiphobia

what was worse was under a picture of sangat holding up a Khalsa Aid style recognise humanity as one banner she did the same BS ...why are you promoting islamophobia

amrita ?‏ @amr_ita  May 28

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i am SOOOO EXHAUSTED!!!!! with sikhs being islamophobic and racist when it goes against EVERYTHING we teach. it upsets me so much

earlier she puts under the australian imam saying islam is a religion of war posted by a family member

he's family so i can call him an <banned word filter activated> passively aggressively right?

https://t.co/K7Q67xuABh

 

 

[ipledgeblue]

actually, now I read the gori's tweet, she worded the shaheedi in a bad way. Guru Arjan Dev's martyrdom wasn't against islam, although it was done by islamic extremists.

Where is the pic about Khalsa Aid sangat?

[Guest GuestSingh]

I believe the chitte are just using events from Sikh history to support their argument against Islam in the hope that it will give them more credibility, attract more support and gain a bigger voice. They are going to do what they can to win their battles while the corrupted, liberal and weak-minded Panjabi's ('Sikhs') help them without giving a care for the Panjab slide into further ruin.

Do not be naive. They do not consider us their allies. They have shown and proven how highly they value Sikhs with Jallianwala Bagh, partition of the Panjab and collusion with their Hindus friends over 1984, in which nearly 33 years later, the community is still wondering when there will be an investigation into the truth. They do not care about our injustice - they will protect their own interests. I hope that is clear to the Panjabi's ('Sikhs') who are always eager to obey and please their master.

ਤੂੰ ਦੋਵੇ ਗ਼ੁਲਾਮ ਤੇ ਗ਼ਦਾਰ ਹਨ

If Panjabi ('Sikh') girls were the only victims of grooming by Muslims in the UK, then I am certain they would not give us a second thought. What did they do when Panjabi girls were groomed and raped decades ago? The government, police and wider public did not care about us then so what is going to change now? To them, we are foreigners who are only here out of guilt for their past.

Despite the contribution of Panjabis to the UK economy, which was actually built on wealth looted from India during colonial rule, their relationship with India takes precedence over what they have with us. They are desperate for investment and trade deals. Our 'loyalty' means nothing to them. The Panjab is broken yet events of its plight are unreported through national media. That is disgusting. We are not their pawns and we are not their slaves. We need to look after our own people and own matters. Every other community seems to do this except our own. Fools.

We are small in number and have no allies but we do have a presence all over the world. There are enough of us to make a difference. Stop sleepwalking and do not get lost in materialism. Unlike the times of our possible ancestors, we are not doing this through force but by choice. You are choosing the white man over your Guru.

[genie]

24 minutes ago, GuestSingh said:

I believe the chitte are just using events from Sikh history to support their argument against Islam in the hope that it will give them more credibility, attract more support and gain a bigger voice. They are going to do what they can to win their battles while the corrupted, liberal and weak-minded Panjabi's ('Sikhs') help them without giving a care for the Panjab slide into further ruin.

Do not be naive. They do not consider us their allies. They have shown and proven how highly they value Sikhs with Jallianwala Bagh, partition of the Panjab and collusion with their Hindus friends over 1984, in which nearly 33 years later, the community is still wondering when there will be an investigation into the truth. They do not care about our injustice - they will protect their own interests. I hope that is clear to the Panjabi's ('Sikhs') who are always eager to obey and please their master.

ਤੂੰ ਦੋਵੇ ਗ਼ੁਲਾਮ ਤੇ ਗ਼ਦਾਰ ਹਨ

If Panjabi ('Sikh') girls were the only victims of grooming by Muslims in the UK, then I am certain they would not give us a second thought. What did they do when Panjabi girls were groomed and raped decades ago? The government, police and wider public did not care about us then so what is going to change now? To them, we are foreigners who are only here out of guilt for their past.

Despite the contribution of Panjabis to the UK economy, which was actually built on wealth looted from India during colonial rule, their relationship with India takes precedence over what they have with us. They are desperate for investment and trade deals. Our 'loyalty' means nothing to them. The Panjab is broken yet events of its plight are unreported through national media. That is disgusting. We are not their pawns and we are not their slaves. We need to look after our own people and own matters. Every other community seems to do this except our own. Fools.

We are small in number and have no allies but we do have a presence all over the world. There are enough of us to make a difference. Stop sleepwalking and do not get lost in materialism. Unlike the times of our possible ancestors, we are not doing this through force but by choice. You are choosing the white man over your Guru.

Most clued up Sikhs dont support either far left or the far right. The ones that push Sikhs to align themselves with either side is actually the atheist punjabi's within our kaum that support islamo-facsists or blame all muslims for acts of a few. Most muslims are decent law abiding people, however theres a collective group think about the muslim community that undermines co-existance throught the world. They cant even co-exist with other muslims because salafi/sunnis are at sufi/qadiyani/shia's throats all the time.

There is a fine balance to be taken in politics and Sikhs are taught not to be far left and liberal nor be far right and hate on all people who alleged to have attacked us over the years. We have to take the middle path.... judging each case by its merits.

So just as sikh girls were groomed from 1980s/90s/2000s only the BNP stood by British sikhs and spoke out against these muslim grooming raping and conversion gangs. That give them huge PR win with many Sikhs who saw how they had people from another community who understood their plight. The british hindu community are huge cowards they never stood by Sikhs in the streets for anything apart from when Sikhs fought the racist white skinheads back in the 70s/80s so they were forced to come out but since then they gone quite as a mouse and hid in their holes. They want Sikhs to do all the muslim grooming gang bashing, similar part of the white nationalist far right community is happy when Sikhs stand by them in their campaign against islamification and against their girls being groomed and converted to islam.

If only the leftist marxist liberal mob stood by Sikhs in our plight to save our sisters against the Islam-facists then the left would never had got such a bad rep amoungst us. But I guess they are deliberately trying to  align themselves with the majority ethnic/religious communities which is muslims than the minority within the minorities (hindus, sikhs,buddhists,etc).

 

[Guest Jacfsing2]

We are sadly at a state with our people that if you say you believe in the 11 Gurus you are called a Fundementalist or a radical Sikh.