FAKE Intelligence provided by R&AW via Russian Soviet KGB Influenced Indira Gandhi to carry out operation blue star in 1984

[jkvlondon]

On 2017-5-29 at 3:41 PM, genie said:

I was reading articles recently regarding how the Russian soviet KGB had deeply penetrated the Indian state from 1950s onwards basically since the time of Nehru. British domestic intelligence agency MI5 also had an office stationed in India since 1950s and has had a close relationship with India since its formation in 1947 but they werent as close as the KGB where.

What the Mitrokhin Archives are alleged to have revealed is how deeply they had influenced in the formation of the R&AW (Research and analysis wing of the Indian army). And how the KGB's aim was converting India to communist state and vessel state of the Soviet union.

In the many articles I read it is alleged that KGB agents gave particular emphasis on painting Sikhs as the enemy to India and the converting the Punjab population to communist ideology. They provided false intelligence information to the Indian government to influence them in carrying out anti-sikh policies. They even wanted a war between India and pakistan in 1981 to divert attention from what the soviets were doing in afghanistan and to distract attention and resources from american CIA and pakistani ISI operations in Afghanistan. It is alleged that they told the Indian government that pakistani ISI had trained 1,000+ SGG commando's who had infiltrated Indian punjab and were ready to help destabilize Punjab and create Khalistan.

I know believe that it was the soviets via R&AW that caused indira to hastily ask the indian army to organise and execute the infamous operation blue star and thus it lead to the disaster that it did. Over the decades since we have also learn't that there was no Pakistani commandos in Indian punjab at the time, there was no attempt by Pakistani army to infiltrate or over run the border to help the Sikhs. There was no pakistani's in the golden temple as was alleged by Indian propagandists at the time. We also learnt that trucks full of ammo and weapons were allowed to pass into darbar sahib under the curlew and watch of the Indian troops and state machinery (as reported by sunday times in 1984).

General brar being the dopey mass murdering m0ron; that he is did not question the fake intelligence he was given by R&AW or why Indira was going to use the army to attack his allegedly own religions holiest shrine, neither did general dyal only general that stood down from attacking darbar sahib was Lt .Gen Sinha who was a hindu (friend of general shubeg singh) and has since passed away. In many interviews General brar says he believed the pakistani army was going to invade the punjab and help create khalistan and recognise it.  The Indian army did not only invade darbar sahib they fanned out to many villages and gurdwaras of punjab fearing Sikh rebellion and pakistani troops in punjab. A minor Sikh rebellion happened yes, but the cowardly pakistani army was no where to be seen because they had not even plan to invade and help the Sikhs. However this was the huge lie and basis of why heavy weapons military assault on darbar sahib (operation blue star) happened, everything came down to FAKE and deceptive intelligence.

err 3 years preparation and containment of intell within army ranks to only non-sikhs is not hasty ...besides the first hamla on Harmandir Sahib was in 1955 and killed more than 200 sikhs no pakistan no terrorists just outspoken gursikhs.

we know the pakistani infiltration/terrorism arguments were false 

Brar was/is a amoral cretin who was willing to do the worst to his own people , he is the one who supplied booze and cigarettes to the rapists/torturers in the complex, post capture. He has told so many lies over the years he even forgets himself what he has said . It is from his own book that we learn about the true character of Sant ji , who laughed at a bribe of an arabb american dollars and full assistance to resettle his whole family whereever they wanted abroad, if only he walked away from the complex and leave the army to it.

Lt Gen Sinha was an honourable man who refused three times to launch an attack on Harmandir Sahib.

The aim of GOI was to annihilate the fighting spirit of sikhs across the country that's why they kettled the whole of punjab before and after the attack.

[Sukhvirk1976]

14 hours ago, genie said:

Do you have direct evidence that babbar khalsa amoung others had pakistani ISI training? So far I have only read hearsay they did but no one has produced any credible evidence of the case. They did have smuggled in arms from pakistan that is true and that was done at the behest of American CIA and their Pakistani ISI allies against Soviet Union allied India.

Well I think most khalistani militants were always very frank about the fact that they went over the border to train.. It's hardly a secret.. Where did and who did train and arm,.? 

[acsap]

12 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Well I think most khalistani militants were always very frank about the fact that they went over the border to train.. It's hardly a secret.. Where did and who did train and arm,.? 

I guess nothing is a secret for Hindus, they know everything.  However, they don't know that Hindus like tytler and sajjan have killed thousands of innocent Sikhs.  Apparently, Hindus can be trained in India to kill Sikhs!

[Sukhvirk1976]

1 hour ago, acsap said:

I guess nothing is a secret for Hindus, they know everything.  However, they don't know that Hindus like tytler and sajjan have killed thousands of innocent Sikhs.  Apparently, Hindus can be trained in India to kill Sikhs!

What a ridiculous nonsensical statement.. Of absolutely no value and adding nothing to the discussion.. 

The ignorance of some people makes them see enemies everywhere.. 

Firstly the soldiers and police operating in panjab included many who were Sikh.. Kps Gill 

Secondly tytler and sajjan didn't kill thousands of Sikhs, rather they facilited, oversaw and directed the pogroms in which mobs killed Sikhs in Delhi. 

Thirdly what is your point? Even many of the militants themselves have spoken about going to Pakistan and training, bomb making etc.. 

It's not even controversial, I'm not even criticising it from the perspective of revolutionary activism.. 

Do you have a alternative narrative of how those people developed specialised knowledge 

Seriously how incoherent can someone be 

[acsap]

18 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

What a ridiculous nonsensical statement.. Of absolutely no value and adding nothing to the discussion.. 

The ignorance of some people makes them see enemies everywhere.. 

Firstly the soldiers and police operating in panjab included many who were Sikh.. Kps Gill 

Secondly tytler and sajjan didn't kill thousands of Sikhs, rather they facilited, oversaw and directed the pogroms in which mobs killed Sikhs in Delhi. 

Thirdly what is your point? Even many of the militants themselves have spoken about going to Pakistan and training, bomb making etc.. 

It's not even controversial, I'm not even criticising it from the perspective of revolutionary activism.. 

Do you have a alternative narrative of how those people developed specialised knowledge 

Seriously how incoherent can someone be 

This is the last time I am going to answer your incoherent rambling.  I was not going to dignify your post with a reply, but I am hoping that you will read this with an open mind and stop talking about things that you don't understand.  I am going to avoid personal attacks, unlike you, so you can pay attention to the narrative.

Have you ever heard of the word "house negro"? I am not trying to insult black people, but once you look it up, you will know what I am talking about. Yes, Sikhs probably have more "house Sikhs" than any other religion. Yes, KPS was one of them.

Let me give you some examples:

When white people wanted to really mistreat African Americans  they will use "house Negros".  Similarly, Nazis used Jews to dehumanize Jews in the Nazi prisons.  Presently, Afghans are being used by outsiders to kill Afghans.  Who you think killed Indians in the Jallianwalla Bagh masscare, it was brown people killing brown people under the order of General Dyer. The Indians who killed Indians will get reward from British.  You think Hindus didn't have enough Hindu generals to use during "operation blue star", but they needed Sikh General to give the perception that Hindus are not waging fight against Sikhs. 

Similarly, they could have used Hindu DGP and Hindu CM to kill innocent Sikhs in Punjab, but they used "House Negros" like Beanta and KPS.  Of course, using "house Sikhs" gave the perception to outsiders that it is not Hindus killing innocent Sikhs.  Moreover, these "house SIkhs" were more than glad to kill fellow innocent SIkhs to get reward from their masters (Hindus).  Unfortunately, simple minded idiots Sikhs see this as Sikhs were killing Sikhs.

I hope you get it this time because I am done with "house SIkhs" like you!  If you are a Hindu then I still have respect for you because then what you are writing make sense, but you are probably a "house Sikh"  

 

[chatanga]

On 29/05/2017 at 3:41 PM, genie said:

I was reading articles recently regarding how the Russian soviet KGB had deeply penetrated the Indian state from 1950s onwards basically since the time of Nehru. British domestic intelligence agency MI5 also had an office stationed in India since 1950s and has had a close relationship with India since its formation in 1947 but they werent as close as the KGB where.

In the 1950s and 1960s when the Cold War flamed up, both Russia and USA were trying to get countries to align to them in the event of hostilities and for trade purposes. Many countries did align to one or the other, but those that didn't became known as the "non-aligned bloc" and the foremost or leader of this bloc was India. India prided itself on being non-aligned as well as the leader of the bloc. Only in 1971 after Pakistan massacred over a million of it's own citizens (some put it as high as 3 million),in Bengal, forcing India to take action and incurring the dsipleasure of USA did India align itself to USSR.

 

According to "The Blood Telegram" by Gary Bass (which is a must read for anyone interested in geo-politics of yester-year) India was very reluctant to join with the USSR, and only joined after being panicked by the sight of USA warships sailing up the Bay of Bengal. The USA presidency had sided with Pakistan and supplied military hardware to them and were firmly on their side in this conflict. Whilst India never officially joined the war, it was known to everyone that they were supporting the Mukti Bahini. The USA in order to intimidate India had it's warships sail from the Pacific to the Bay of Bengal. It worked and India feared a US attack in support of Pakistan. This drove them to publically align with Russia. Even then there were people in the Indian govt who were just as fearful of the USSR as they were of US. There were of course some who were individually subscribing to the USSR socialist agenda.

 

Personally, I don't think it's true that the KGB had any kind of influence in India prior to the 1970s.