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16 minutes ago, proactive said:

Britain can still over the Islamic onslaught because of Brexit. They can at least control their borders. 

If the choice to elect a government is from either the Conservatives or Labour, there is no choice at all. The dog and pony show that is politics is an elaborate farce designed to lend the illusion that we live under democratic rule. Nobody is controlling the borders, at least not whilst there's still a semblance of order in society. Civil war and similar widespread social unrest may change those circumstances.

We must understand that controlling immigration is not what they want. It's not part of the plan. Any political party that makes a pledge at election manifesto time to cut immigration and control borders is lying to the electorate.

Britain should concern itself with the embedded Islamic hordes within its borders, nevermind those recent hopefuls amassing on the edges. 

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Surely there's a very threat from all forms of extremists Britain first,  EDL, in Canada Sikh extremists blew up a plane.. Some Sikh groups were put on the UK terror watch list and banned for financing extremists groups in India.. Many of the Islamic extremist terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by born and bred UK citizens.. I'm not convinced by this idea that border controls and singling out Islamic extremists is particularly useful.. All fascism must be challenged? 

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15 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Surely there's a very threat from all forms of extremists Britain first,  EDL, in Canada Sikh extremists blew up a plane.. Some Sikh groups were put on the UK terror watch list and banned for financing extremists groups in India.. Many of the Islamic extremist terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by born and bred UK citizens.. I'm not convinced by this idea that border controls and singling out Islamic extremists is particularly useful.. All fascism must be challenged? 

From what I can discern, the panic and concern at contemporary immigration is less to do with the immediate threat of terror (although in the short term it's a genuine issue considering everything that's going down in the Middle East at the moment), but more a long term view to the irreversible impact on demographics and social makeup of a country, especially if we take into account the types of migrants that are flocking here. It's very, very easy to get cynical and insular about this whole problem, but I think we mustn't forget that we're also children of immigrants, and somehow it doesn't quite sit right with me if we're shouting, "Send the buggers back!"

Equally, these western countries are our homes. We were born and raised here. There's a definite emotional connection to our immediate environment and, if it stretches that far, the long-term success of these lands. Make no mistake, if these lands fall, then so do we. And, yes, ultimately I believe these lands will fall if things continue unabated. That's not being dramatic or hysterical. We won't be able to hole ourselves up in a Gurdwara and tough it out, lol. Unfortunately, you won't get similar sentiments of affection for the prosperity of Europe amongst certain other communities who exist in the uk, even those who, like us, were born in the West. If you don't believe me, there are hundreds of unbiased, unfiltered videos on YouTube that will prove me right. This fundamentally erroneous belief that deep down all people are equal and good in character and intention is demonstrably false. I wish it wasn't false, but there it is.

To echo an earlier sentiment, I'm sure our parents or grandparents came to the West in order to make the most of living in a modern, western country with all the associated benefits (not THOSE benefits, lol) of existing in a first world country. I don't want to wake up 30 years into the future, and wonder whether I'm living in Mogadishu or Rawalpindi. Does that make me a bad person? Should I, as a brown person, remain silent on the issue of immigration? Blind hate or anything like that is useless and completely silly. It's negative energy. But there's a way of having these discussions, and they need to be had.

I can predict your response, but I'm hoping you'll reply in a manner that originates from a place of wanting to engage in an open-minded and fair discussion. I can't be doing with any communist propaganda, Sukh. Talk it through like a human being, not an ideologue dancing from point to point in order to secure a metaphorical knockout punch. 

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