Tommy Robinson On Manchester Terrorist Attack

[Sukhvirk1976]

Shame shame shame on you? If you want to spit venom don't do it on here and sully the Sikh name 

[jkvlondon]

On 2017-6-12 at 1:08 PM, MisterrSingh said:

Why has the above in bold reared its head? What's the logic behind it? I'm frankly quite surprised. The Indian subversion is an open secret, but why are the Islamics getting involved? 

because there is a concerted effort by muslims to subvert Guru Granth Sahib ji's legitimacy as Illahi Bani , that Guru Nanak Dev was Muslim because they cannot deny their own writings that Guru ji was in Mecca and Medina. Also the use of the false/erroneous English Translations of Sant SIngh to make a case for dawah

[proactive]

On 6/20/2017 at 0:20 AM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Shame shame shame on you? If you want to spit venom don't do it on here and sully the Sikh name 

We live in the real world. Go to sleep, its well past your bedtime bachu. 

[Sukhvirk1976]

2 minutes ago, proactive said:

We live in the real world. Go to sleep, its well past your bedtime bachu. 

LOL 

[proactive]

On 5/29/2017 at 5:00 PM, BhForce said:

Quite humbling words.

First of all, 

ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਕਿਆ ਉਪਦੇਸੀਐ ਜਿਨ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਉ ॥੧॥

What can you preach to those who have the Divine Guru Nanak as their Guru? ||1||

6252 ਮਾਝ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੨) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੫੦ ਪੰ. ੧੩ 
 

But since you ask, I will oblige.

I think it's quite clear that European countries are advancing towards Islamic domination at a frightening pace. Angela Merkel's call for a million fake refugees (most are not from Syria) to flood Germany is sheer lunacy and suicide. Britain is advancing towards Islamic domination at a less frightening pace.

Jeremy Corbyn, though thought to be personally a nice fellow, is maddeningly naive and stated that he would impose no immigration targets. If the Theresa May should happen to anger the electorate for some random reason, and Corbyn should happen to get in, the pace would quicken.

Even under current policies, there is one huge demographic fact that looms: There are 1.5 billion Muslims, and all/many/most would like to get to either the US or UK. There are also a billion or so Christians, but many/most? of them are in reasonably safe countries. Even if they are not (like Mexico/Central America) they aren't looking to get into Britain. So right off the bat, you start with a huge head start for immigration to be overwhelmed by Muslims.

Then add to that the tendency for white and other non-Muslim women to have less than 2 babies (minimum required for stable population), plus the fact that Muslims tend to have 4 or so, and you have a steadily increasing percentage of the Muslim population. Muslims have the will to live and dominate; whites seem to have lost it.

That is a terrifying prospect. I'm no white supremacist, but come on, I think we all, if forced to choose, would rather live under a white supremacist government (like erstwhile South Africa) than an Islamic supremacist government. Of course, Britain today is not white-supremacist, though it is white-dominated.

Imagine Britain and France's nuclear weapons and UN permanent security council membership and veto under Muslim control. Imagine France open up immigration to 10 million persons per year: It still wouldn't decrease the non-European Muslim population appreciably, but would massively tilt the scales in favor of Muslims in Europe, since they would have free access to all countries with the EU freedom of movement.

For non-Muslim minorities, I think it would mean something similar to what's happening in "moderate" Muslim countries: In Turkey, Erdogan has very successfully replaced the Turkish secular model with a neo-Ottoman Islamic model. In Indonesia, "moderate Islam" is crumbling, with the Saudis pouring money into preaching their own intolerant version of Islam. This is the Islam of the future of Britain, because they are doing the same thing in the UK:

Hidden Camera in Mosques SHOCKING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEvMmAj4m5A
Saudi curriculum is highly divisive
Saudi Korans (correctly) say peaceful verses have been abrogated. (Note: this video has been removed--probably for telling an inconvenient truth.)

And in Egypt, a country where Nasser laughed at the idea of women wearing veils, vast numbers of women are now doing so. Now, I don't really mind simple social conservatism, but in this case it goes hand-in-hand with regular bombings of Christian churches. Egypt provides a lesson in difficulties faced over the centuries by Christians wanting to repair or rebuild churches, which they are forbidden to do under Sharia.

Note: Please don't think fall for the propaganda about special privileges for Sikhs under Sharia. Those privileges are only for "people of the Book": Christians and Jews. They can't apply to Sikhs because Sikhs come after the Prophet Muhammed, which means, according to Islam, that the Sikhs and their Gurus are usurpers and false prophets, because no prophet is supposed to come after Mohammed.

The version of Islam popular among religious youth in the West is the most extreme, possibly because they have no other identity. The current trajectory seems bleak.
 

Good analysis. I think Germany and France are pretty much finished. Along with them you can add Sweden, Belgium and Holland. Holland had a chance to put up even the semblance of a fight back but that finished when Geert Wilders lost the election. Same with France, that Macron guy is Jeremy Corbyn in a suit. It is ironic that the descendants of Charles Martel the warrior who stopped Islam in its tracks in the 8th century may be the first ones to fall to Islam in the 21st century. How a nation that was on the forefront of the Crusades and once challenged Britain for world domination can now suffer a terrorist attack from the religion of 'peace' almost weekly and yet vote in a Islamophile Macron is beyond me. 

Britain can still overcome the Islamic onslaught because of Brexit. They can at least control their borders. 

[MisterrSingh]

16 minutes ago, proactive said:

Britain can still over the Islamic onslaught because of Brexit. They can at least control their borders. 

If the choice to elect a government is from either the Conservatives or Labour, there is no choice at all. The dog and pony show that is politics is an elaborate farce designed to lend the illusion that we live under democratic rule. Nobody is controlling the borders, at least not whilst there's still a semblance of order in society. Civil war and similar widespread social unrest may change those circumstances.

We must understand that controlling immigration is not what they want. It's not part of the plan. Any political party that makes a pledge at election manifesto time to cut immigration and control borders is lying to the electorate.

Britain should concern itself with the embedded Islamic hordes within its borders, nevermind those recent hopefuls amassing on the edges. 

[BhForce]

3 hours ago, proactive said:

Good analysis. I think Germany and France are pretty much finished. Along with them you can add Sweden, Belgium and Holland. Holland had a chance to put up even the semblance of a fight back but that finished when Geert Wilders lost the election. Same with France, that Macron guy is Jeremy Corbyn in a suit. It is ironic that the descendants of Charles Martel the warrior who stopped Islam in its tracks in the 8th century may be the first ones to fall to Islam in the 21st century. How a nation that was on the forefront of the Crusades and once challenged Britain for world domination can now suffer a terrorist attack from the religion of 'peace' almost weekly and yet vote in a Islamophile Macron is beyond me. 

Britain can still overcome the Islamic onslaught because of Brexit. They can at least control their borders. 

Thanks. It's good to see that you are clued-in.

As for Sikhs out there who might be wonder if the likes of you or me are falling into a pro-white, anti-Muslim, anti-nonwhite narrative, I'll say: If your parents wanted to live in Saudi Arabia, they would have immigrated there. They didn't. They came to a "white" country. They knew what the score was.

The fact is, the whites of today are quite mellow. Not the same for the radicalized Islamic hordes coming through.

[Sukhvirk1976]

Surely there's a very threat from all forms of extremists Britain first,  EDL, in Canada Sikh extremists blew up a plane.. Some Sikh groups were put on the UK terror watch list and banned for financing extremists groups in India.. Many of the Islamic extremist terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by born and bred UK citizens.. I'm not convinced by this idea that border controls and singling out Islamic extremists is particularly useful.. All fascism must be challenged? 

[Ranjeet01]

4 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Surely there's a very threat from all forms of extremists Britain first,  EDL, in Canada Sikh extremists blew up a plane.. Some Sikh groups were put on the UK terror watch list and banned for financing extremists groups in India.. Many of the Islamic extremist terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by born and bred UK citizens.. I'm not convinced by this idea that border controls and singling out Islamic extremists is particularly useful.. All fascism must be challenged? 

If you want there to be no EDL or Britain First you have to tackle Islamic Extremism.

These groups are the symptom not the cause.

[MisterrSingh]

15 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Surely there's a very threat from all forms of extremists Britain first,  EDL, in Canada Sikh extremists blew up a plane.. Some Sikh groups were put on the UK terror watch list and banned for financing extremists groups in India.. Many of the Islamic extremist terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by born and bred UK citizens.. I'm not convinced by this idea that border controls and singling out Islamic extremists is particularly useful.. All fascism must be challenged? 

From what I can discern, the panic and concern at contemporary immigration is less to do with the immediate threat of terror (although in the short term it's a genuine issue considering everything that's going down in the Middle East at the moment), but more a long term view to the irreversible impact on demographics and social makeup of a country, especially if we take into account the types of migrants that are flocking here. It's very, very easy to get cynical and insular about this whole problem, but I think we mustn't forget that we're also children of immigrants, and somehow it doesn't quite sit right with me if we're shouting, "Send the buggers back!"

Equally, these western countries are our homes. We were born and raised here. There's a definite emotional connection to our immediate environment and, if it stretches that far, the long-term success of these lands. Make no mistake, if these lands fall, then so do we. And, yes, ultimately I believe these lands will fall if things continue unabated. That's not being dramatic or hysterical. We won't be able to hole ourselves up in a Gurdwara and tough it out, lol. Unfortunately, you won't get similar sentiments of affection for the prosperity of Europe amongst certain other communities who exist in the uk, even those who, like us, were born in the West. If you don't believe me, there are hundreds of unbiased, unfiltered videos on YouTube that will prove me right. This fundamentally erroneous belief that deep down all people are equal and good in character and intention is demonstrably false. I wish it wasn't false, but there it is.

To echo an earlier sentiment, I'm sure our parents or grandparents came to the West in order to make the most of living in a modern, western country with all the associated benefits (not THOSE benefits, lol) of existing in a first world country. I don't want to wake up 30 years into the future, and wonder whether I'm living in Mogadishu or Rawalpindi. Does that make me a bad person? Should I, as a brown person, remain silent on the issue of immigration? Blind hate or anything like that is useless and completely silly. It's negative energy. But there's a way of having these discussions, and they need to be had.

I can predict your response, but I'm hoping you'll reply in a manner that originates from a place of wanting to engage in an open-minded and fair discussion. I can't be doing with any communist propaganda, Sukh. Talk it through like a human being, not an ideologue dancing from point to point in order to secure a metaphorical knockout punch.