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[jkvlondon]

2 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

He married a Jewish woman 

and how does that relate to my question ? I asked muslmah being allowed to marry out of her faith if her parents are kattard. Muslman are ALLOWED to marry jews and christians if they convert, women no chance full stop

[jkvlondon]

1 minute ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Also I believe Muhamed himself married a woman of Jewish decent 

he murdered her whole family then raped her , something different

[Sukhvirk1976]

Just now, jkvlondon said:

and how does that relate to my question ? I asked muslmah being allowed to marry out of her faith if her parents are kattard. Muslman are ALLOWED to marry jews and christians if they convert, women no chance full stop

I was just pointing out that not everything is black and white.. 

Sometimes it feels like all this site is about is nindya and finding faults in others 

[jkvlondon]

1 minute ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

I was just pointing out that not everything is black and white.. 

Sometimes it feels like all this site is about is nindya and finding faults in others 

my point was that given her parentage Huma's choice would have been blocked . it drew a flag of kitman/ taqquiya to get into the inner security level circle

[Sukhvirk1976]

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

he murdered her whole family then raped her , something different

Interesting.. Can you please provide a source of where you are getting your information.. My understanding is that her father was killed in battle against Muhamed and his men killed him. But I have never read anything to suggest he raped her? Nor any reference to him murdering her whole family.. In fact I am under the impression that after her father was killed she was married and divorced twice and that Muhamed was her third husband..? 

Moreover what I find particularly interesting is that no where in bani or any writings of sikh scholars Muhamed is spoken of as a rapist.. Why would guru nanak dev ji travel to mecca, (if you believe that sakhi) if he thought Muhamed was a rapist, why would guru arjun Dev Ji invite a follower of a rapist Mian Mir to lay the foundation at Harmandir Sahib, why would guru gobind Singh Ji keep relations with Pir Baba bhuddu shah if he followed such people? 

[jkvlondon]

When the Banu Nadir were expelled from Medina in 625, her family settled in Khaybar, an oasis near Medina.^[3] Her father and brother went from Khaybar to join the Meccan and Bedouin forces besieging Muhammad in Medina during the Battle of the Trench. When the Meccans withdrew Muhammad besieged the Banu Qurayza. After the defeat of the Banu Qurayza in 627 Safiyya's father, a long-time opponent of Muhammad, was captured and executed by the Muslims.^[4]

In 627 or early in 628, Safiyya married Kenana ibn al-Rabi, treasurer of the Banu Nadir; she was about 17 years old at that time

In May 629, the Muslims defeated several Jewish tribes (including the Banu Nadir) at the Battle of Khaybar. The Jews had surrendered, and were allowed to remain in Khaybar on the provision that they give half of their annual produce to the Muslims. The land itself became the property of the Muslim state.^[6] This agreement, Stillman says, did not extend to the Banu Nadir tribe, who were given no quarter.^[7] Safiyya's husband, Kenana ibn al-Rabi, was also killed.

the three days Mohammed stayed in her town all the tribe's men were killed including her brothers husband and uncles  then Mo consummated his 'marriage ' to Safiyya but his companions were unsure if she was to be treated as a slave or 'mother of the believers' . She was pressured to convert but still was viewed with mistrust by Mohammed and openly insulted and mocked by the other wives. I wonder why 

[Sukhvirk1976]

On 2017-5-30 at 9:12 PM, jkvlondon said:

When the Banu Nadir were expelled from Medina in 625, her family settled in Khaybar, an oasis near Medina.^[3] Her father and brother went from Khaybar to join the Meccan and Bedouin forces besieging Muhammad in Medina during the Battle of the Trench. When the Meccans withdrew Muhammad besieged the Banu Qurayza. After the defeat of the Banu Qurayza in 627 Safiyya's father, a long-time opponent of Muhammad, was captured and executed by the Muslims.^[4]

In 627 or early in 628, Safiyya married Kenana ibn al-Rabi, treasurer of the Banu Nadir; she was about 17 years old at that time

In May 629, the Muslims defeated several Jewish tribes (including the Banu Nadir) at the Battle of Khaybar. The Jews had surrendered, and were allowed to remain in Khaybar on the provision that they give half of their annual produce to the Muslims. The land itself became the property of the Muslim state.^[6] This agreement, Stillman says, did not extend to the Banu Nadir tribe, who were given no quarter.^[7] Safiyya's husband, Kenana ibn al-Rabi, was also killed.

the three days Mohammed stayed in her town all the tribe's men were killed including her brothers husband and uncles  then Mo consummated his 'marriage ' to Safiyya but his companions were unsure if she was to be treated as a slave or 'mother of the believers' . She was pressured to convert but still was viewed with mistrust by Mohammed and openly insulted and mocked by the other wives. I wonder why 

You very easily reaffirmed your thoughts on the first part of the question but what about the second? 

 

How do you resolve in your logic Mian Mir etc.. 

Don't worry I don't expect a response, it would require khoj 

[Sukhvirk1976]

@jkvlondon Moreover what I find particularly interesting is that no where in bani or any writings of sikh scholars Muhamed is spoken of as a rapist.. Why would guru nanak dev ji travel to mecca, (if you believe that sakhi) if he thought Muhamed was a rapist, why would guru arjun Dev Ji invite a follower of a rapist Mian Mir to lay the foundation at Harmandir Sahib, why would guru gobind Singh Ji keep relations with Pir Baba bhuddu shah if he followed such people? 

Can you please address this issue? 

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

@jkvlondon Moreover what I find particularly interesting is that no where in bani or any writings of sikh scholars Muhamed is spoken of as a rapist.. Why would guru nanak dev ji travel to mecca, (if you believe that sakhi) if he thought Muhamed was a rapist, why would guru arjun Dev Ji invite a follower of a rapist Mian Mir to lay the foundation at Harmandir Sahib, why would guru gobind Singh Ji keep relations with Pir Baba bhuddu shah if he followed such people? 

Can you please address this issue? 

It's a question that's been on my mind for a few years. There is only one logical answer: Either our Guru Sahibs weren't aware of this aspect of Mohammed, OR the sexual deviances and proclivities of Mohammed have been manufactured by the authors of the Quran in order to defame his legacy. Might the Quran be one of the most elaborate Jewish conspiracies of all time, lmao?

[Akalifauj]

On 2017-5-30 at 0:59 PM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Interesting.. Can you please provide a source of where you are getting your information.. My understanding is that her father was killed in battle against Muhamed and his men killed him. But I have never read anything to suggest he raped her? Nor any reference to him murdering her whole family.. In fact I am under the impression that after her father was killed she was married and divorced twice and that Muhamed was her third husband..? 

Moreover what I find particularly interesting is that no where in bani or any writings of sikh scholars Muhamed is spoken of as a rapist.. Why would guru nanak dev ji travel to mecca, (if you believe that sakhi) if he thought Muhamed was a rapist, why would guru arjun Dev Ji invite a follower of a rapist Mian Mir to lay the foundation at Harmandir Sahib, why would guru gobind Singh Ji keep relations with Pir Baba bhuddu shah if he followed such people? 

Interesting troll, can you provide evidence Pir Baba Bhudda Shah and Mian Mir were Muslims?