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Yesterday, I went to a school party. At the bar i asked for non-alcoholic drink as I am amritdhari, But I was accidentaly  given a beer containing 5% alcohol. 

I swear to God, I didn't like the taste and after  tasting it  i threw it away. Just after that, people started telling that I was turning red and i also felt myself uncomfortable. maybe because i hadn't eaten anything earlier.

My question is that is accidental or minimal consumption of alcohol a sin? Will i have to present myself in front of the 5 pyare and get rebaptised again? are non-alcohol beers also prohibited?

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Why didn't you ask for a Coke or Orange juice. No confusion then! 

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Amritdhari - party - bar. Words that shouldn't really be in the same paragraph.

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These questions should be addressed to the panj. Just go to the next amrit sanchaar and admit what happened. And then they will decide if it was wrong , if u have to retake amrit or get punishment. 

That's what the panj is for to resolve questions and doubts

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8 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

or get punishment. 

 

Not saying I have drank alcahol, but what will happen as a punishment?

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4 hours ago, monatosingh said:

Not saying I have drank alcahol, but what will happen as a punishment?

You have to do extra paath or seva. Nowadays punishments are not that severe. In the past, well Mahraja Ranjit singh was ordered to be whipped.then again he did it intentionally

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Is the logic behind prescribing extra paaths for pesh supposed to eliminate the burden of the transgression? It does make sense if that's the case, otherwise the suggestion is that reciting additional Gurbani is a punishment, which I don't think is quite the right message that should be sent out.

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On 20/5/2017 at 7:09 PM, Guest singh21 said:

My question is that is accidental or minimal consumption of alcohol a sin?

Will i have to present myself in front of the 5 pyare and get rebaptised again? are non-alcohol beers also prohibited?

Brother Guest singh21 jee,

you see, poison whether taken conscioussly or unconscioussly, it is definetely going to harm; but by His apaar kirpa, Gurbani gives us the antidote, not only for this case, but, for all situations.

It is the Name of Wahiguru, which is Amrit, which cleanses all our paaps, no matter what amount of them could be.

Sarab rog ka aukhad Naam.

It is like just as a single  spark is enough to burn to ashes, tons of  accumulated grass, so does His Name, purify us by burning all our sins.

Sat Sree Akal..

 

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How can you get a soft drink confused with a beer, the smell alone would tell you. If if was a genuine mistake I wouldnt do anything, this happens, eg being served something veggie but ended up having egg in it... But it sounds to me you knew what you were drinking, you don't get buzzing off a quick sip, you drank more, you wanted to see what it tastes like and experience it and now you feel bad. So yes do pesh unless you're going to make this mistake agaij then there's no point going this time....

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4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Is the logic behind prescribing extra paaths for pesh supposed to eliminate the burden of the transgression? It does make sense if that's the case, otherwise the suggestion is that reciting additional Gurbani is a punishment, which I don't think is quite the right message that should be sent out.

I think the logic, as explained by some kathakars, is that as Guru is bakhshind (willing to forgive), so too are the Akal Takhat and the Panj Piyare bakhshind. So the purpose of tankhah (the word saja--punishment--is not used), is to reform the errant individual. Hence the extra paaths. Also, it makes quite a difference if the person involved became patit through no fault of their own, or willingly transgressed an explicit rule.

 

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On an unrelated note, would someone have to pesh if they were unconscious and their Kesh were removed because someone, (parents usually), decided to save their lives?

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2 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

On an unrelated note, would someone have to pesh if they were unconscious and their Kesh were removed because someone, (parents usually), decided to save their lives?

How would that happen? (How would cutting your hair save your life?)

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2 minutes ago, BhForce said:

How would that happen? (How would cutting your hair save your life?)

Some surgeries require Kesh removal.

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Just now, Jacfsing2 said:

Some surgeries require Kesh removal.

OK, I would just say that it is generally accepted that either if you do a bajjar kurehit, or a bajjar kurehit is done to you, you have go pesh (present yourself before Panj Piyare). They make the determination, and then you're good with the Guru.

Also, "patit" does not mean "paapi" (sinner), it means fallen (people can fall accidentally, too).

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On 21/5/2017 at 0:34 AM, Guest Guest said:

Amritdhari - party - bar. Words that shouldn't really be in the same paragraph.

don't think so.. too much isolation is the cause of misconceptions...

 

On 21/5/2017 at 0:28 AM, Guest Guest Singh said:

Why didn't you ask for a Coke or Orange juice. No confusion then! 

some bars sell only alcoholic drinks

 

On 21/5/2017 at 6:03 PM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

These questions should be addressed to the panj. Just go to the next amrit sanchaar and admit what happened. And then they will decide if it was wrong , if u have to retake amrit or get punishment. 

That's what the panj is for to resolve questions and doubts

the "panj" these days, unfortunately are not trustworthy, especially in these western countries where probably this dude lives. There are many cases in which the one member from the panj has gossiped the where probably this dude lives. There are many cases in which one member from the panj has gossiped the misdeeds of someone ,,,

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On 5/21/2017 at 8:34 PM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

You have to do extra paath or seva. Nowadays punishments are not that severe. In the past, well Mahraja Ranjit singh was ordered to be whipped.then again he did it intentionally

That wasn't for drinking. It was for marrying a Muslim girl. 

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47 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

That wasn't for drinking. It was for marrying a Muslim girl. 

Thats true

But i think i wrote that to illustrate that punishments for kurehits used to be severe 

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27 minutes ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Thats true

But i think i wrote that to illustrate that punishments for kurehits used to be severe 

That was a bujjar kuriet. I think drinking was considered a lesser infringement (i.e. not bujjar kureit). This probably played a big part on it becoming more and more common probably.

The bujjar kureits usually meant you was expelled from the Khalsa, period (or until it was agreed that you could be reaccepted and take amrit again). The other offences carried less severe punishments (usually fines and/or seva).  

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On 6/15/2017 at 8:08 AM, dallysingh101 said:

That was a bujjar kuriet. I think drinking was considered a lesser infringement (i.e. not bujjar kureit). This probably played a big part on it becoming more and more common probably.

The bujjar kureits usually meant you was expelled from the Khalsa, period (or until it was agreed that you could be reaccepted and take amrit again). The other offences carried less severe punishments (usually fines and/or seva).  

You could be right....even now panjabis r more likely to drink then do hookah or cigarettes....

But currently alcohol is part of the bujjar kurehits. I think it might have to do with sikh ppl avoidin anythin malesh or foreign...l

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On 2017-5-20 at 7:09 PM, Guest singh21 said:

Yesterday, I went to a school party. At the bar i asked for non-alcoholic drink as I am amritdhari, But I was accidentaly  given a beer containing 5% alcohol. 

I swear to God, I didn't like the taste and after  tasting it  i threw it away. Just after that, people started telling that I was turning red and i also felt myself uncomfortable. maybe because i hadn't eaten anything earlier.

My question is that is accidental or minimal consumption of alcohol a sin? Will i have to present myself in front of the 5 pyare and get rebaptised again? are non-alcohol beers also prohibited?

If it's a accident then how can it be sin.. 

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4 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

If it's a accident then how can it be sin.. 

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh, ji

Not really sure, singh ji.. But where I live, it is not rare to accidentally inhale cigarette/vape smoke outside of malls/other stores. What can we do about that.. I heard we have to include in our Sri Ardas Sahib ji to ask for forgiveness for accidentally inhaling 2nd hand smoke. Even my neighbor smokes outside on her sundeck, and I used to practiced paath on my sundeck next to her house, and her 2nd hand smoke would come right at my face because of the wind. My sister told me that if we inhale 2nd hand smoke accidentally, then we have to do Sri Japji Sahib ji 5x. But I don't know for sure if she's right. Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

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15 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

You could be right....even now panjabis r more likely to drink then do hookah or cigarettes....

But currently alcohol is part of the bujjar kurehits. I think it might have to do with sikh ppl avoidin anythin malesh or foreign...l

It's interesting how they (i.e. Singh Sabha) turned one original bujjar kureit which was solely anti-tobacco, into a catch all for all intoxicants. They essentially moved previously considered lesser offences, into bujjar kureit territory. Because of this process some of our respected ancestors now look dubious because they might have used opium (afeem) or cannabis (sukha-nidhaan) for some non-recreational reasons (possibly as anesthetics and relief from PTSD symptoms). 

People have been making alcohol in Panjab for a long time btw, so it wasn't foreign. Kalals were the ones who traditionally brewed/distilled it. 

I think the British and neo-conservatives of the SS lehar clamped down on drinking amongst Sikhs because we all know how volatile and obnoxious Panjabis  can get after a few drinks, especially Juts, who have a VERY STRONG drink culture (which has spread to the wider community in the last few decades). 

There is logic behind the drive to ban drinking because we all (at least should) know how much buckwaas comes from this habit amongst our lot (wife beating, acting a fudhoo in front of children and traumatising them, stupid bar room brawls over nothing etc. etc.) But we have long standing and deeply rooted traditions/culture of drinking amongst some sections of the community and it says a lot that despite moving drinking in bujjar kureit territory - like it or not - apnay are still generally famous for their 'impressive' drinking 'abilities'.

 

 

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