AKJ 1978

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When there was a peaceful protest against the nirankaris, I heard AKJ were also involved. Are there any notable people of AKJ who became shaheed in the protest?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

21 minutes ago, monatosingh said:

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When there was a peaceful protest against the nirankaris, I heard AKJ were also involved. Are there any notable people of AKJ who became shaheed in the protest?

There was Bhai Fauja Singh who was very much AKJ who got Shaheed; however, as a whole it was even among Taksal and AKJ in the Amritsar Vaisakhi protests, (in the other 1978 Nirankari protests the majority were not members of any Jatha, and not every Shaheed outside of that one was Taksal or AKJ). 

[Guest AjeetSinghPunjabi]

Why did clash between nirankaris nd sikhs happen. Did we incite nirankaris in anyway 

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1 hour ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Why did clash between nirankaris nd sikhs happen. Did we incite nirankaris in anyway 

The history starts from the formation of the Nirankari and then Sant Nirankari division, the division between these 2 groups caused one to hate Sikhi; and the other which has merged with Sikhs. But the 1978 incident happened when someone named Gurbachana, (3rd head of the Sant Nirankari Mission), decided that he would have a parade in Amritsar on Vaisakhi and would attempt to step on Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This made the true Sikhs frustrated on hearing that this guy would dare to such a thing. So once the news arrived that Gurbachana would attempt to do such a thing, the Sikhs decided to stand-up and they were lead by Bhai Fauja Singh, (many Sikhs during this time also were starting to realize what was going to happen and totally new prachar would be done afterward), this lead to Bhai Fauja Singh and 12 other Sikhs Shaheedi with 200-300 jailed. After this event Nirankaris had many more events and Gurbachana was still testing the Sikhs, so also in 1978 a massacare in Kanpur also killed 13 people, and there were small massacares of Sikhs in Delhi and other heavy Nirankari areas. That all and Indra Gandhi had backed-up Gurbachana because Sikhs stood-up to her in The Emergency.

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43 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The history starts from the formation of the Nirankari and then Sant Nirankari division, the division between these 2 groups caused one to hate Sikhi; and the other which has merged with Sikhs. But the 1978 incident happened when someone named Gurbachana, (3rd head of the Sant Nirankari Mission), decided that he would have a parade in Amritsar on Vaisakhi and would attempt to step on Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This made the true Sikhs frustrated on hearing that this guy would dare to such a thing. So once the news arrived that Gurbachana would attempt to do such a thing, the Sikhs decided to stand-up and they were lead by Bhai Fauja Singh, (many Sikhs during this time also were starting to realize what was going to happen and totally new prachar would be done afterward), this lead to Bhai Fauja Singh and 12 other Sikhs Shaheedi with 200-300 jailed. After this event Nirankaris had many more events and Gurbachana was still testing the Sikhs, so also in 1978 a massacare in Kanpur also killed 13 people, and there were small massacares of Sikhs in Delhi and other heavy Nirankari areas. That all and Indra Gandhi had backed-up Gurbachana because Sikhs stood-up to her in The Emergency.

And on their official site, they claim their father gurbachana was a target of communal hatred lol. 

Anyways, now the last man has died I guess and now salvinder "kaur" (lol they still feel like using that suffix to their name) is running the nirankari mission.

I must say it has considerable hindu following here . On back of taxis and rickshaws, its not uncommon to see "Dhan nirankar ji" 

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[Guest AjeetSinghPunjabi]

3 hours ago, Preeet said:

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh, ji

I don't support those negative nirankari actions, but doesn't "Dhan Nirankar ji" mean the same thing as calling Sri Vaheguru ji blessed (because they are nirankar??)? Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh

I agree with you, but here we are speaking in a context. Kindly request you do the same. 

Also hindus also say "Ram Ram" , and it appears in SGGS also, but hindus never talk about parbrahm IMHO . Hindus of today are allergic to concept of abstract parbrahm. They can't see beyond idols and demi gods. So , even if in gurbani, a hindu interprets Raam as Sri Ramchandr of Ramayan .

I won't be surprised if Nirankaris also thought of nirankaar as gurbachana baba lol 

[Guest AjeetSinghPunjabi]

1 hour ago, Preeet said:

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh, ji

You should not generalize a billion people's thoughts.. But I see what you are saying. Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh

I won't generalize and I don't like to generalize , but with most hindu brothers, if you speak about Parbrahm, then seem to be suddenly disinterested. They are used to worshipping Parbrahm in his manifested aspects - Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, Shiv, Shakti, etc .

Anyways, we're diverting from topic of thread lol

[Guest Jacfsing2]

7 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

I agree with you, but here we are speaking in a context. Kindly request you do the same. 

Also hindus also say "Ram Ram" , and it appears in SGGS also, but hindus never talk about parbrahm IMHO . Hindus of today are allergic to concept of abstract parbrahm. They can't see beyond idols and demi gods. So , even if in gurbani, a hindu interprets Raam as Sri Ramchandr of Ramayan .

I won't be surprised if Nirankaris also thought of nirankaar as gurbachana baba lol 

Most of them don't even know why the originally left the Sikh faith.

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Vaisakhi 1978 - of the 13 shaheeds, 2 were from Damdami Taksal and the other 11 were from AKJ background.