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As a sewadar was distributing chaai to bibis who had come down in langar hall after doing sukhmani sahib paath , some bibis asked "feeki chaa OR is it meethi chaa" ?

it was shocking . It made me feel i am sitting in restaurant . Why can't we just accept what is served in langar as "prasad" and accept it .

Why so much of nakhre ? also there are some bibis who don't do anything , but only come down in the end to have tasty snacks someone from the sangat sponsored for that day .

I have seen both sikhs and non-sikhs abuse the langar system in sikhism. A hindu guy uploaded a pic with head covered . People commenting "You just went to eat langar?" to which the guy replied "What else do we go for"

And in other pic he uploaded a video showing various tasty eatables of modern cuisine served in langar and captioned "Gurudwara ho toh aisa" 

I get it gurudwara provides food to everyone, but do we have to abuse the system ?

 

The question 20 odd bibis asked him was not whether "Are we running langar right or wrong" . It was "Feeki chaa or is it meethi chaa" 

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Ranjeet01    1,109
5 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

As a sewadar was distributing chaai to bibis who had come down in langar hall after doing sukhmani sahib paath , some bibis asked "feeki chaa OR is it meethi chaa" ?

it was shocking . It made me feel i am sitting in restaurant . Why can't we just accept what is served in langar as "prasad" and accept it .

Why so much of nakhre ? also there are some bibis who don't do anything , but only come down in the end to have tasty snacks someone from the sangat sponsored for that day .

I have seen both sikhs and non-sikhs abuse the langar system in sikhism. A hindu guy uploaded a pic with head covered . People commenting "You just went to eat langar?" to which the guy replied "What else do we go for"

And in other pic he uploaded a video showing various tasty eatables of modern cuisine served in langar and captioned "Gurudwara ho toh aisa" 

I get it gurudwara provides food to everyone, but do we have to abuse the system ?

 

The question 20 odd bibis asked him was not whether "Are we running langar right or wrong" . It was "Feeki chaa or is it meethi chaa" 

You are absolutely correct, the Langar system has been abused.

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Jacfsing2    1,845
5 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

As a sewadar was distributing chaai to bibis who had come down in langar hall after doing sukhmani sahib paath , some bibis asked "feeki chaa OR is it meethi chaa" ?

it was shocking . It made me feel i am sitting in restaurant . Why can't we just accept what is served in langar as "prasad" and accept it .

Why so much of nakhre ? also there are some bibis who don't do anything , but only come down in the end to have tasty snacks someone from the sangat sponsored for that day .

I have seen both sikhs and non-sikhs abuse the langar system in sikhism. A hindu guy uploaded a pic with head covered . People commenting "You just went to eat langar?" to which the guy replied "What else do we go for"

And in other pic he uploaded a video showing various tasty eatables of modern cuisine served in langar and captioned "Gurudwara ho toh aisa" 

I get it gurudwara provides food to everyone, but do we have to abuse the system ?

 

The question 20 odd bibis asked him was not whether "Are we running langar right or wrong" . It was "Feeki chaa or is it meethi chaa" 

There currently aren't that many alternatives. If you don't have langar it's just a therath and not a Gurdwara. If you don't allow Non-Sikhs, it's a Sikh house, not a Gurdwara. Maybe some people have medical issues which they need to know the ingredients of something, allergies or reactions. Each case is case-by-case, if there comes at time when I have some problem, I would want to know what the ingredients are as well.

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genie    1,109

langar system needs reform as does alot of aspects of sikh society for too long non-sikh forces and ideologies have made Sikhi out to be a welfare system for all communities when it should only cater for believers in the sikh faith, those who desperately need help and those who want to convert to sikhi.

Allowing any tom, dom and harry to treat Sikh places of worship like a restaurant or guesthouse/hotel is showing how far we have fallen as a proud community for others to abuse our hospitality either through minor contemptible remarks or robberies by non-sikhs who scouted out the premises and seen Sikhs are weak and coward cucks now so they wont stop them robbing and disrespecting guru's house.

Sikhs need to return to their martial roots that is where confidence to deal firmly with these issues will come from.

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some bibis asked "feeki chaa OR is it meethi chaa" ?

it was shocking . It made me feel i am sitting in restaurant . Why can't we just accept what is served in langar as "prasad" and accept it .

 

I think people in general (and maybe especially apnay) limiting sugar intake is important as hell these days - even more so for apnay who seem to have a diabetes epidemic going on. 

What's wrong with a policy of making only feeki cha and letting people put in sugar as they desire? 

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2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

As a sewadar was distributing chaai to bibis who had come down in langar hall after doing sukhmani sahib paath , some bibis asked "feeki chaa OR is it meethi chaa" ?

it was shocking . It made me feel i am sitting in restaurant . Why can't we just accept what is served in langar as "prasad" and accept it .

It may be shocking to you but to those who suffer from type 2 Diabetes it is vitally important and can sometimes be the difference between normality and going into diabetic shock.

The system of langar is a beautiful one but from a health perspective it need's a huge change, i go to the Gurdwara every day before work but i only have parshad once or twice a week because i have cholesterol problems, i tend to refrain from anything fried when i have langar, does that make me a bad person?

2 hours ago, genie said:

langar system needs reform as does alot of aspects of sikh society for too long non-sikh forces and ideologies have made Sikhi out to be a welfare system for all communities when it should only cater for believers in the sikh faith, those who desperately need help and those who want to convert to sikhi.

Allowing any tom, dom and harry to treat Sikh places of worship like a restaurant or guesthouse/hotel is showing how far we have fallen as a proud community for others to abuse our hospitality either through minor contemptible remarks or robberies by non-sikhs who scouted out the premises and seen Sikhs are weak and coward cucks now so they wont stop them robbing and disrespecting guru's house.

It does need reform, yes, but not to the point where we are closing our doors to everyone, the whole principle of langar is the food is served to all without distinction of faith, religion or background, for free, the issue of people coming in to a Gurdwara to scout it out is a security one and needs to be dealt with desperately, if we turn away anyone who looks remotely "shifty" then we are going against the principles of out religion all together.

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GuestSingh    13

I see the same stupidity from Punjabi youth at university with 'Langar on campus' days.

Rather than feed the poor on the streets, they feed those who are not poor, who are already well-off and who can afford to eat. What is the point? These people do see it as 'free food' and have said so themselves, so they are bound to take what they can get. None of these people really understand the concept of 'Vand Chakko'. The same Punjabis love to preach 'Langar' yet conveniently forget the more important principle - 'Naam Japo', most likely because they do not meditate or pray to Waheguru themselves.

I understand they are trying to raise awareness of Sikhi but if people want to learn about it then they can research the internet as they do with anything else today. If they want to 'experience' Langar they can visit a Gurduara. I believe their attitudes and behaviours would be very different in a religious place. That should tell you something about the minds of many Westerners today.

These people are also asked to cover their heads and remove their shoes before sitting. Why? Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is not present. Tying a ramaal and sitting barefoot outside a Gurduara for 'free food' are blind rituals, in my eyes.

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I have used the word Punjabis instead of Sikh because most Punjabis are not Sikh, however they are always more than happy and eager to put on an act and pretend to be a Sikh when it suits them to please the goreh/kaleh/wider communities, even though they do not get anything back from it, apart from the 'Sikhs are hardworking people, pillars of the community, upstanding citizens etc.' comments from MP's at the end of it all. Sexual grooming still continues and the Punjab remains close to ruin. What do the British do about that? Nothing. Why? Fear of racism and importance of relations with India for trade deals.

The same rhetoric is said to Muslims when they decide to do something positive. The difference is that more Muslims are far less gullible and more steadfast in their faith. I do not like or trust many of them but at least they do not bow down to the goreh with the mentality of slaves. Wake up, Punjabis and put the community first.

Many of you are just liberals with little love for Sikhi.

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simran345    2,425
3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think people in general (and maybe especially apnay) limiting sugar intake is important as hell these days - even more so for apnay who seem to have a diabetes epidemic going on. 

What's wrong with a policy of making only feeki cha and letting people put in sugar as they desire? 

Agree. 

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simran345    2,425
1 hour ago, kcmidlands said:

 

It may be shocking to you but to those who suffer from type 2 Diabetes it is vitally important and can sometimes be the difference between normality and going into diabetic shock.

The system of langar is a beautiful one but from a health perspective it need's a huge change, i go to the Gurdwara every day before work but i only have parshad once or twice a week because i have cholesterol problems, i tend to refrain from anything fried when i have langar, does that make me a bad person?

It does need reform, yes, but not to the point where we are closing our doors to everyone, the whole principle of langar is the food is served to all without distinction of faith, religion or background, for free, the issue of people coming in to a Gurdwara to scout it out is a security one and needs to be dealt with desperately, if we turn away anyone who looks remotely "shifty" then we are going against the principles of out religion all together.

Agree. 

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point of langar was to keep body and soul together i.e. provide necessary nourishment for the traveller or poor. Now it is like a restaurant where people even talk about langar as if they are giving a review for a culinary magazine . Most dharamshala would just provide dhal and roti , occasionally kheer on gurpurabs . 

The families put on langars like they compete outside with their cars and homes , there is no sewa bhavna, otherwise they would actually make sure their langar served the needy not their well-fed rishtedaars. 

I reckon there should be set langar - one dhal , one sabji , roti , plain rice for gluten free people, no nuts/seeds used , no outside mithaai/sweets . Kheer on gurpurabs .... we do not need pakorey/samosey/chips ...if people want that food the can go to a restaurant or make at home . We cannot serve that to gur ki sangat as Guru Nanak Dev ji has instructed us not eat that which will cause us pain and increase vikars .

Make phikka cha for everyone and reply sweetly 'bibi ji je mitta chahida Darbar vich gurbani di mittas leh levo'

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8 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

point of langar was to keep body and soul together i.e. provide necessary nourishment for the traveller or poor. Now it is like a restaurant where people even talk about langar as if they are giving a review for a culinary magazine . Most dharamshala would just provide dhal and roti , occasionally kheer on gurpurabs . 

The families put on langars like they compete outside with their cars and homes , there is no sewa bhavna, otherwise they would actually make sure their langar served the needy not their well-fed rishtedaars. 

I reckon there should be set langar - one dhal , one sabji , roti , plain rice for gluten free people, no nuts/seeds used , no outside mithaai/sweets . Kheer on gurpurabs .... we do not need pakorey/samosey/chips ...if people want that food the can go to a restaurant or make at home . We cannot serve that to gur ki sangat as Guru Nanak Dev ji has instructed us not eat that which will cause us pain and increase vikars .

Make phikka cha for everyone and reply sweetly 'bibi ji je mitta chahida Darbar vich gurbani di mittas leh levo'

Agree. Langar should be simple and so that everybody can have it, including those with health conditions, allergies and children. 

" I reckon there should be set langar - one dhal , one sabji , roti , plain rice for gluten free people, no nuts/seeds used , no outside mithaai/sweets . Kheer on gurpurabs .... we do not need pakorey/samosey/chips ...if people want that food the can go to a restaurant or make at home ."

" Make phikka cha for everyone and reply sweetly 'bibi ji je mitta chahida Darbar vich gurbani di mittas leh levo'"

Above quoted, I agree with penji. This is how it should be, it's not a restaurant. And a lot get wasted too, because it's not basic and simple and has way too many chillis, even some of my Punjab born relative say it's way too hot. 

Im also getting fed up of people posting langar pics on Facebook, showing their thaals and then people commenting like they are doing restaurant reviews. Like come on, what need is there to put those pics on. If they go to the Gurdwara, is that all they go for? No mention of the Gurbani, or which shabad was playing, but the only thing they decide to put on is their thaal. How immature. 

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Ranjeet01    1,109
8 minutes ago, simran345 said:

Agree. Langar should be simple and so that everybody can have it, including those with health conditions, allergies and children. 

" I reckon there should be set langar - one dhal , one sabji , roti , plain rice for gluten free people, no nuts/seeds used , no outside mithaai/sweets . Kheer on gurpurabs .... we do not need pakorey/samosey/chips ...if people want that food the can go to a restaurant or make at home ."

" Make phikka cha for everyone and reply sweetly 'bibi ji je mitta chahida Darbar vich gurbani di mittas leh levo'"

Above quoted, I agree with penji. This is how it should be, it's not a restaurant. And a lot get wasted too, because it's not basic and simple and has way too many chillis, even some of my Punjab born relative say it's way too hot. 

Im also getting fed up of people posting langar pics on Facebook, showing their thaals and then people commenting like they are doing restaurant reviews. Like come on, what need is there to put those pics on. If they go to the Gurdwara, is that all they go for? No mention of the Gurbani, or which shabad was playing, but the only thing they decide to put on is their thaal. How immature. 

The problem is the proliferation of Anand Karaj's, Akhand Paths, Sukhmani Sahib programs in Gurdwaras.

This enables to people to indulge in all of this.

What gets up my nose is when people hire outside caterers after milni and I am seeing these continental breakfasts with croissants and choc au pains. What's that all about?

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simran345    2,425
55 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The problem is the proliferation of Anand Karaj's, Akhand Paths, Sukhmani Sahib programs in Gurdwaras.

This enables to people to indulge in all of this.

What gets up my nose is when people hire outside caterers after milni and I am seeing these continental breakfasts with croissants and choc au pains. What's that all about?

Continental breakfasts with croissants and choc au pains, really? 😏  I've never been to a wedding that's had that menu. Where did they think they were, a hotel ? Was it down south, London area? I'm surprised they didn't add toast/marmalade to it.  

The most luxurious item I've seen is parothe for the milni tea, otherwise it's normally samoseh and pakorey. 

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Ranjeet01    1,109
17 minutes ago, simran345 said:

Continental breakfasts with croissants and choc au pains, really? 😏  I've never been to a wedding that's had that menu. Where did they think they were, a hotel ? Was it down south, London area? I'm surprised they didn't add toast/marmalade to it.  

The most luxurious item I've seen is parothe for the milni tea, otherwise it's normally samoseh and pakorey. 

It was down South!  I guess the bride was too posh for prontheh!

If she did have aloo waleh prontheh it would have been called "crepe pomme de terre!"

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simran345    2,425
10 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It was down South!  I guess the bride was too posh for prontheh!

If she did have aloo waleh prontheh it would have been called "crepe pomme de terre!"

Yeah I thought it was. Southerners tend to do the extras. 

Lol @ crepe pomme de terre. But that reminds me of the parothe, there were those little packets of butter too. It was nice, but still it's not exactly edible for most, as they OTT on all the spices and ingredients in them. Why can't they just keep them simple, I guess it's so that they don't run out because everyone will be having seconds if it was simple. 

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