Why isn't Britain as successful as Canada when it comes to Sikh politicians?

[dallysingh101]

4 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If you really want to go there, why not mention other Sikhs caste, maybe the Mahapurukhs or something. Get one thing in your head, the Non-Sikhs don't see Jatts, Khatris, Ramgharia, or anything else, all they see is some person with a turban and maybe a Kirpan. In the same way people don't see Punjabis as any different from other Subcontinentals regardless how different we want to make ourselves.

That depends on where you are. Sure, in the US people might be too dumb to know the difference, but in some other places they generally do. 

[singhbj singh]

15 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If you really want to go there, why not mention other Sikhs caste, maybe the Mahapurukhs or something. Get one thing in your head, the Non-Sikhs don't see Jatts, Khatris, Ramgharia, or anything else, all they see is some person with a turban and maybe a Kirpan. In the same way people don't see Punjabis as any different from other Subcontinentals regardless how different we want to make ourselves.

What are you on about ?

The caste or surname of all Canadian & UK politicians are in public domain unlike punjabis.

"Truth is high but higher still is truthful living"

As for Baba's all rich & famous are Jats.

May be GOI, RSS, AKALI, CONGRESS should consider their retirement and anoint NON-jat successors 

Pretend that they are secular & there's no political agenda in place of worship.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

9 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

No one is going to have a 'caste war'. Stop trying to avoid facing up to ugly truths about our own community. This only makes things worse in the long run. 

People are only honest when it comes to low-castes talking about their greatness, but when a high-castes say the same thing, people rant about no caste in Sikhi. If it's going to happen it should be fair, not some regressive.

An example is Bhai Mani Singh, the famous 3 Sikh Shaheeds, Ramanand, Jaidev and ALL the Bhatts came from one Varna: BRAHMIN, but it's only low-castea we are allowed to talk about.

Another great example of high-castes not being allowed to mention anything is the light of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, (the genealogy, not who he is as a being), Bhai Gurdas, Hari Singh Nalwa, and Bhai Daya Singh Ji were also all from one Varna: Ksychatrias.

Don't make the system Pakhand if you'll only mention low-caste accomplishments, but totally regard high-caste ones.

[Ranjeet01]

3 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The thinking of Canadians is a New-Age liberal type of thinking. There are only really 3 types of social liberals and only 3 types of social conservatives.

1. Progressive, (they try fighting for "progress" whatever that really means I don't know).

2. Regressive, (they fight for the past and "correcting wrongs", by being rude and sh*tholes.)

3. Cucks, (they'll fight for everyone's right except their own people).

As well as the 3 conservative groups.

1. Nationalists, (those who put country, before outsiders).

2. Religious Fundementalist, (anyone who is devout and wants to better society through ideas of their faith).

3. Individualist, (those who view individual as higher than the colllective).

What someone should know about Canadian politics is from what I know, it's heavily ethnic-based and not very policy-based, so it's a type of Affirmative Action of politics as well. Canadians as a whole are really afraid of offending people, (this doesn't apply to the Sikhs), likewise in the rest of the world they aren't afraid of offending people, (again not including Sikhs). 

What's going on? Many Sikhs in Canada are related or know someone who was related to a Khalistani Shaheeds. The idea among Canada Sikhs is be the best you can be to make your communitty proud, the rest of the diaspora is get the best job you can get and make your communitty proud. Many Sikhs in the diaspora just wouldn't try running for political office due to family reasons, for Canada it represents Punjabi Issat, (honor). Now you may be wondering why I made the statement about the liberals and conservatives 3 types, that's because in Canada, (with the exception of Quebec), it's the minorities who are conservative and the Goras are the liberals, this effects a lot on how Sikhs even get a chance to win Non-Sikh votes. In America the Goras tend to be the most religious batch of Christian and then are Hispanics, in Canada it's Sikhs and other non-Christian religions, and most religious ideology is about winning power to enslave the world, (Sikhi on the other side of the coin wants to save the world).

How is Harjit Sajjan viewed in Canada?

He's supposed to be this bad*ss army veteran that captured 1500 Taliban in Afghanistan.

But apparently he's admitted that it wasn't him that organised that capture but some other military guy.

I do like him though, he's got that John Wayne way of talking.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

12 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

That depends on where you are. Sure, in the US people might be too dumb to know the difference, but in some other places they generally do. 

This is something I'd like to generally know, how do you tell what caste someone is just by looking at them? I certainly can't tell.

[dallysingh101]

What about all the long-standing rumours of old deviant secret societies (Freemasons and whatnot), being embedded in the English political and legal system. I don't think you have that in Canada either? It may well explain why there was so much foot dragging and denial about Sikh girls getting groomed from the government itself for a long time. I think the UK sees many Sikhs as trouble makers who might dangerously rock the boat. 

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/15806-cover-up-of-child-abuse-by-politicians-in-the-uk/

[Ranjeet01]

http://globalnews.ca/news/3415635/harjit-sajjan-operation-medusa-speech/

[BhForce]

5 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

5 hours ago, singhbj singh said:

two Ramgarhia plus two Jat ministers.

Stop trying to insert caste in here, unless you want an entire caste war.

Agreed. So many people are proud of Harjit SIngh Sajan on Facebook. Nobody but nobody was mentioning or even concerned with his caste. The obsession with revealing people's castes in matters of Sikh leadership deserves to be curtailed. Does anybody think that the Defense Minister (Sajan) will only provide defense to members of his own caste? That would be stupid.

I do agree that, in Punjab, a reasonable degree of inclusiveness in candidate selection and minister selection is not a bad idea, but in Canada, where only a select few of us happen to make it to the top, it would be ridiculous to make caste a consideration. It's also incumbent on the few that make it to the top to represent all the Sikh (and Candanian) communities, not just some favored groups.