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3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I know of Amritdhari and Keshdari men that have had no problem marrying Sikh girls from clean shaven families. 

But these Amritdhari and Keshdari (not trimmed beard but proper beard) have had no problems attracting women.

 

 

Sorry, confused by what you are trying to say

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10 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Californiasardar 

If it was a white guy with a hipster beard, and one of those manbuns, I can guarantee that the Sikh girls from clean-shaven families would be OK with that. 

The problem is not really kesh and dastaar with some of our Sikh women, it is the perception of what they think it represents. 

I know of Amritdhari and Keshdari men that have had no problem marrying Sikh girls from clean shaven families. 

But these Amritdhari and Keshdari (not trimmed beard but proper beard) have had no problems attracting women.

 

 

 

Yes veerji, I agree with you.  It isn't necessarily the beard and hair (look at the far-from-universal, but still substantial popularity of hipsters with beards and man-buns).  It isn't even necessarily the turban ("trim singhs" appear to be popular in certain segments of the sikh population).  It's the perception that is immediately created when the dhari and kesh and dastar all come together. 

But it is the circumstances of sabat soorat singhs who always wear dastars who I am concerned with.  I'm not going to take off my dastar and start rocking a man-bun (thought I know some singhs are), and I'm not going to trim my beard and become a "trim singh" (as many singhs are).  I am going to stick with the traditional Sikhi saroop, and I hope that as many singhs as possible do.  So the experiences of those who deviate from this traditional saroop are irrelevant to this discussion. 

 

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