Referendum 2020

[MisterrSingh]

3 hours ago, genie said:

2) Wait for a major superpower to attack the south asian countries (indian and pakistan). Either America, China or Russia even Iran if it can start a major war with say pakistan or china with India then the army numbers will be wiped out or occupied with fighting the regional military force while insurgent armed groups seeking Independence can take advantage and get their political power by force.

That's the most viable scenario, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because it'll result in the deaths of so many people and will alter the world as we know it. If such situations ever arise, I hope we'll be prepared to make the most of them.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

3 hours ago, genie said:

1) Demographics is key - start to create large families strongly educated in sikhi and convert non-sikhs to Sikhi either through force like the times of banda singh bahadhur (religious cleansing) or concentrated parchar efforts like times of the Guru sahibans

Banda Singh Bahadur didn't kill people for being Non-Sikhs, he killed people due to their crimes against the Sikh faith.

[KhalistanYouth]

First we need to fix Punjab itself, I received a great response in my inbox and if I have permission I'll post it here.

How many people are educated and literate in Punjab, more importantly how much Youths in Punjab are literate and Educated?

How about the Water crisis and Drug problem going on?

People in Punjab still believe in the caste system meaning Discrimination is still there

People (Being Us oversea sikhs) Need to start investing into Punjab with our money, and that can create jobs for the unemployed, we need to fix Punjab before we start thinking of making a Khalistan.

Just like how this user said in a older post, I'll quote in next reply.

 

[KhalistanYouth]

"Instead of advocating that young Sikhs catch flights to Delhi to begin armed struggle we need to be sensible.

We need to form jatha's at pind level that drugs are not openly sold and consumed and keep a lid on alcohol sales and consumption.

Instead of giving money to dubious organisations advocating armed struggle verbally (but secretly unwilling to leave their luxurious lives in the West) we need to prioritise young Sikh children in Punjab actually getting a good education and becoming literate as only with educated youth will the Panth's future have the knowledge to avoid being treated unfairly as illiterates are at disadvantage to GOI bureaucrats.

So long as caste divisions in Gurughars exist and people continue to support or tolerate matrimonial apartheid then there is no realistic prospect of overturning GOI discrimination as divide+rule tactics can easily be employed on weak caste-minded people.

Money needs to be invested in Punjab by overseas Sikhs in order to generate employment for the youth as each job can uplift a family out of poverty. As so long as Sikh families struggle with daily survival it will be too hard for them to think of anything else. Overall India's economy is now growing at a faster rate than China's whilst Punjab continues to be a laggard economically. The weaker Punjab is economically compared to those that discriminate against Sikhs the weaker our ability to combat their anti-Sikh discrimination.

The Sikh fetility rate is below replacement level and female infanticide is at disgraceful levels in Punjab. On top of that Sikhs have internalised Hindutva propaganda that only Amritdhari Gursikhs (around 3% of the Punjab population) are Sikhs so that anti-Sikh forces can define Sikhs as a permanent democratic minority. Only by including all Gurdwara Sangat and all sehajdhari Sikhs within the Panth will the Sikh Panth ever have a democratic voice. The Sikh Panth needs to ensure the democratic removal of Badal in 2017 and the best party currently with which to achieve that is the AAP given how all 4 MP's in Malwa are AAP. We need to lobby for H.S. Phulka Ji to be given the AAP Punjab Chief Minister ticket for 2017. I genuinely believe 5-10 years of leadership by a sincere Gursikh like H.S.Phulka can transform Punjab and strengthen the state of Sikhi in Punjab.

Before too many start fantasizing about taking one way tickets to Punjab to launch armed struggle against a terrorist state with 1000 times greater resources and ammunition which is backed and supported by the USA, Russia, UK, Canada, China, France, Australia for trade and business reasons, we need to not take our eyes off the fact that Sikhs are projected to be a minority in Punjab by the time of 2021 census due to the Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandir franchises aiming to convert 5 million Sikhs into tomorrow's Hindutva votebank (as Doaba is already an area of Punjab where Sikhs are now a minority)." -SukhaSinghMehtab2015

 

What he said is very true indeed, all of that needs to be fixed before people try creating Khalistan.

[KhalistanYouth]

"List to fix before Khalistan"

• Punjab youth must be Educated and Literate.
• People must be Employed and out of Poverty
• Job creation
• Drug Crisis must be fixed
• Water Crisis must be fixed
• Honest and Non corrupt Politician
• Foreign Diplomacy
• Political Power
• Recycling/Cleaning up Punjab
• Destroyal of the Caste System
• Local Jathas at Pinds. 

Also I think a Neighborhood watch or something like that would be good, since Indian Police can be corrupt.

 

[KhalistanYouth]

Now we as a community must formulate a plan on making all of this happen, we need to do actions instead of just speaking and spreading awareness, we  oversea sikhs should invest into Punjab, Anyone know any legit fundraisers/Charities for the Crisis and problems in Punjab, please link them  so everyone on this thread can donate if possible, and the website itself can have their own fundraiser to fix Punjab, also we should all report Human Rights Violations to Foreign and Indian Organizations to help remove the Corrupt police.

[KhalistanYouth]

Speaking up against the Indian Govt might cause problems and horrible propagandas so I think we should do this low key since we need to do MORE than just Protesting, we need to actually INVEST!

[genie]

2 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Banda Singh Bahadur didn't kill people for being Non-Sikhs, he killed people due to their crimes against the Sikh faith.

 

3 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Are you sure this is true? I doubt it. And you agree with it?

Yes he did, he forced the muslim mughul inhabited and dominated towns to either convert to Sikhi or flee or be destroyed....because of the crimes they had committed against Hindus and Sikhs also many of those muslims had converted under duress from the mughul invaders so some were glad to revert back to their previous faiths.

I used to also think Sikhs didn't go around forcing people to convert. But from the sources I've read over the years and from his own words he is alleged to have said on the lines of him committing excesses against his enemies and so whatever the mughul executioners did to him and his child he accepted it as it was like karma and waheguru's way of punishing him for that.

 

[genie]

3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

That's the most viable scenario, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because it'll result in the deaths of so many people and will alter the world as we know it. If such situations ever arise, I hope we'll be prepared to make the most of them.

Yes unfortunately that's the way of the world and negative side affects in the freedom struggle alot of blood is shed needlessly.... for other smaller nations to rise the dominant big nations/empires need to fall usually by having wars with other big nations/empires.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

5 hours ago, KhalistanYouth said:

Speaking up against the Indian Govt might cause problems and horrible propagandas so I think we should do this low key since we need to do MORE than just Protesting, we need to actually INVEST!

We've in the diaspora have already been very vocal about, we can talk about it countlesslt, but many people can't do anything about it.