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As the title goes has anyone actually read the Quran here? I've seen quite alot of people debating about various quotes from it but all of them seem to be from rather biased websites, its interesting how so many people just throw these quotes out but im genuinely curious if anyone has read any portion of it or even any of the Hadiths.

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I'm going to start in a short while. I can't form concrete opinions based on second hand knowledge. It's not the right thing to do.

If i start dropping Islamic terminology like PBUH, etc, in my posts, then you know they've got me, lol. 

Allahu Akbar!! 

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1 minute ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'm going to start in a short while. I can't form concrete opinions based on second hand knowledge. It's not the right thing to do.

If i start dropping Islamic terminology like PBUH, etc, in my posts, then you know they've got me, lol. 

Allahu Akbar!! 

I;m tempted to order the Quran from India in Gurmukhi script with proper meanings too lol, but im pretty sure my family there might start telling my parents I'm turning into a muslim. 

I would ask my muslim classmates but In all honesty I want more neutral opinions of it, not ones forged in the depths of childhood brainwashing lol.

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I read the Quran a few years ago, wasn't particularly impressed.

Read the version of the quran sanctioned by Saudi Arabia, from real Arabs not our converted subcontinental cousins.

The Hadiths are far worse.

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The one most common argument put forward by Muslims to a non-Muslim who's read the Qur'an and the Hadiths, and isn't having any of it is, "But you need to read it in Arabic to appreciate it's purity and depth!" So begins a never-ending process of wrapping the reader in a web of activity to deflect criticism. 

I'll get a hold of what's the commonly accepted best English translation. 

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6 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

The one most common argument put forward by Muslims to a non-Muslim who's read the Qur'an and the Hadiths, and isn't having any of it is, "But you need to read it in Arabic to appreciate it's purity and depth!" So begins a never-ending process of wrapping the reader in a web of activity to deflect criticism. 

I'll get a hold of what's the commonly accepted best English translation. 

Precisely. It's no different to saying that in order to properly study the Vikings, you gotta start worshipping Odin. 

28 minutes ago, Kira said:

As the title goes has anyone actually read the Quran here? I've seen quite alot of people debating about various quotes from it but all of them seem to be from rather biased websites, its interesting how so many people just throw these quotes out but im genuinely curious if anyone has read any portion of it or even any of the Hadiths.

Some, but, I suspect, not nearly as many as the treasure trove of Islamic charchas on this forum might suggest. 

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41 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I read the Quran a few years ago, wasn't particularly impressed.

Read the version of the quran sanctioned by Saudi Arabia, from real Arabs not our converted subcontinental cousins.

The Hadiths are far worse.

another version? I was under the illusion there was only 1 version. 

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I read a fair bit of a translation by Marmaduke Pickhall when I was a teenager. It wasn't too impressive. Seemed quite dark in places. 

Hadiths are quite interesting as well. 

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34 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

The one most common argument put forward by Muslims to a non-Muslim who's read the Qur'an and the Hadiths, and isn't having any of it is, "But you need to read it in Arabic to appreciate it's purity and depth!" So begins a never-ending process of wrapping the reader in a web of activity to deflect criticism. 

I'll get a hold of what's the commonly accepted best English translation. 

I think that is a valid point. 

I read Gurbani in English translations for decades before I finally made the effort to grasp Gurmukhi and interact with Gurbani in the native lingua. The two experiences are so different, it's like experiencing two different texts/experiences.  

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14 minutes ago, Kira said:

another version? I was under the illusion there was only 1 version. 

You should ask the Saudis.

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1 hour ago, Kira said:

As the title goes has anyone actually read the Quran here?

Yes. I read it, and couldn't understand why peopple would become muslims because of it.

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I have read it , some of it only . An english translation by Yusuf Ali I guess . Its quite a small book . 

It has 114 chapters in it. The first one is called "Al Fatihah" (The opening) . 

Fatiha in arabic means "opening" or "victory" (fateh).

 

I even remember it in arabic to an extent as the first chapter is small lol . Like our mool mantar.

Bismillah Ar-rahman Ar-raheem 

(In the name of allah, The merciful, the compassionate)

 

Alhamdulillah RABBI al aalameen 

(Praise be to the lord (rabb) of the worlds ) . Interestingly Punjabi word "rabb" is here ! 

 

Ar rahman Ar raheem 

(Oh merciful, Oh compassionate)

 

Maaliki Yaumi id-deen

(The master of the day of judgement)

 

Iyyaaka na'abudu waa iyaaka nasta'een 

(You alone we worship and you alone we seek for help)

 

Ihdin assira'at al mustaqeem Siraatal ladheena an ‘amta’ alaihim
Ghairil maghduubi’ alaihim waladaaleen

Aameen

(Guide us on the straight path,
the path of those who have received your grace;
not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray.
Amen.)

 

Its beautiful , not at all violent ! 

 

At some places later, its quire scary . Esp chapter 5 which is where I guess laws related to robbery, adultery , etc etc is

It clearly states "As for the thief, cut off the hand and feet from opposite side" BUT also stresses on forgiveness if the thief repents .

In chapter 2 , al-baqaara (The cow) its about dietary laws . Don't eat this, eat this only . Laws are similar to that of jews !

 

Its said "meccan verses" (earlier verses) were peaceful, the "madinan verses" (later verses, muhammad claimed to have received by angel gabriel in madina when he grew in community , were more intolerant and scathing) 

 

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1 hour ago, Kira said:

As the title goes has anyone actually read the Quran here? I've seen quite alot of people debating about various quotes from it but all of them seem to be from rather biased websites, its interesting how so many people just throw these quotes out but im genuinely curious if anyone has read any portion of it or even any of the Hadiths.

Bits and pieces, (from one of the pro-Islamic websites, not one of those which picks the worst parts), and from the english translation, (I don't know Arabic), it seemed boring to say the least. If I'm going to be reading a story book, I'd rather read Harry Potter or something as silly like that. Never read the Hadiths directly; however, from what I've heard it's just a Maryada.

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24 minutes ago, chatanga said:

Yes. I read it, and couldn't understand why peopple would become muslims because of it.

I thought we as sikhs , our history is evident of fact that Islam always thrived on forcible conversion.

People might not have converted voluntarily but at the tip of sword or by softer coercions like "money", "protection", being tax-free etc 

And ofcourse the whole mutilation (sunnat) aspect of religion makes me cringe ! 

Glad I am a sikh 

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1 minute ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Bits and pieces, (from one of the pro-Islamic websites, not one of those which picks the worst parts), and from the english translation, (I don't know Arabic), it seemed boring to say the least. If I'm going to be reading a story book, I'd rather read Harry Potter or something as silly like that. Never read the Hadiths directly; however, from what I've heard it's just a Maryada.

I don't think its always boring ! Its quite inspiring at a few places , but then again its very limited . 

 

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