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Sikhism is no more the fifth-largest religion

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Just now, Jacfsing2 said:

Until we restore Sikh principles and limit missionary jatha influence, our reproduction will only make the Anti-Sikh amongst us larger.

OK, I can see that. But note that the people who usually heed the call to increase numbers are the most devout. That's the case in other faiths, too. So, as an amendment to my post above, "Devout Sikhs, make some babies!"

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2 minutes ago, BhForce said:

It's quite surprising how you would refer to a 20th century Sikh personality that most Sikhs know as "Bhai Randhir Singh" as "Randhir SIngh". If we can't even refer with respect to our own Sikh saints with respect, who will, Muslims?

Near to the end of Gurbani, there's a line that says referring to and addressing saintly Sikhs with respect (by saying "Ji") will earn you freedom from the Messengers of Death:

ਤੁਧੁ ਸਾਲਾਹਨਿ ਤਿਨ ਧਨੁ ਪਲੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਧਨੁ ਸੋਈ ॥

Those who praise You gather the wealth in their laps; this is Nanak's wealth.

ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੨੮ ਪੰ. ੭ 

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਜੀਉ ਕਹੈ ਓਨਾ ਕਉ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਤਲਬ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੩॥

Whoever shows respect to them is not summoned by the Messenger of Death. ||4||3||

So let us all refer to Mani Singh, Budha, Gurbachan Singh, Sunder Singh, Randhir Singh, Attar Singh, Gurdas, Kabeer, Puran Singh* and so on as Bhai Mani Singh ji Shaheed, Baba Buddha ji, Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh ji, Sant Giani Sunder Singh ji, Bhai Randhir Singh ji, Baba Attar Singh ji, Bhai Gurdas ji, Bhagat Kabir ji, Bhagat Puran Singh ji and so on.

*This is not an ordered list!

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regarding Jaamdoots there's an interesting story regarding a Sant (I can't remember his name), Sant Ji was doing Tapisya and eventually reached a state where he could see Jamdhoots, he came across some of them beating a man (well soul), Sant Ji asks him why this was happening. The Jamdoots told him that this person had asked people to touch their feet and revere them as Sants and God. Sant Ji decided from then on that no one would be allowed to touch his feet, it's a really simple way on how you can tell if anyone is a Saintly Person. 

Here's another nice incident from Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji's book.

 

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I had a cousin, named Tek Singh. He delved in evil company and was known for his drinking and evil‐doings. He suffered from tuberculosis in prime of his youth that proved fatal. He suffered greatly while dying. He would stare toward rooftop and give out shrieks in terror. He would point and describe that, "Those terrible yamas are scaring me by baring their teeth, as if they would make a meal out of me. Seeing this, my body shakes uncontrollably and I am scared to death." Those days I was newly initiated. In my spiritual eagerness, I was devoting constantly to Naam‐ recitations and as many recitations of Sukhmani Sahib as I could perform. Naam‐contemplation and patth recitation of Sukhmani Sahib proceeded simultaneously. While thus engaged, my mother informed me of the worsening condition of Tek Singh.

She described that he was wailing a lot and all his body was shaking in fear. She further told me, "It is very strange and he is pointing towards invisible yamas as they terrorize him. She wanted me to go and see him. Following my mother's instructions, I went to see him. No sooner I entered the room, he gave sigh of relief, saying, " Ah! What a relief! Come, sit near me. The scaring yamas have taken to their heels at your arrival. You must not leave, but remain with me." Everybody sitting around us was taken by surprise at his sudden composure from wailing and shaking in terror. This happening reinforced my Faith in Satguru, and I was inwardly praying to Him gratefully in joy. My prayer was, that "O' Lord True! This is a miracle of Gurbani, Sukhmani Sahib, that has brought about sudden change. How else can a lowly person like me be worthy of this?"

My faith in efficacy of Gurbani, and in particular Sri Sukhmani Sahib, increased ten‐fold. I was left in no doubt, that it was patth of Sri Sukhmani Sahib that scared away the yamas. As long as I stayed with him, I kept reciting Sri Sukhmani Sahib. My cousin remained peaceful. He held on to my arm to make sure that I did not leave. In the evening, it was time for me to go back home for closing ceremony of Sri Guru Granth Sahib for the day. So, I had to leave. It was just my stepping out of the room, that my cousin started wailing again. I returned immediately and asked my sister and cousins (sisters of Tek Singh) to recite Sukhmani Sahib patth from the prayer books. When they started recitation,

I left. With this Tek Singh felt lot of relief. I prayed in presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib for his peaceful death, free from terror. After the prayer, I read Divine Commandment from Sri Guru Granth Sahib. As though in answer to my prayer, the Gurbani clearly portrayed his past‐life. I became convinced that his end was near and that there was urgent need to recite Gurbani to him for his peaceful end. This Gurbani recitation was continued near him.

Toward the end, I requested all the gathered relatives to recite five patths each of Jap Ji Sahib. Those who could not recite from memory used the prayer books. As we came to close the fifth recitation of Jap Ji Sahib, he stopped breathing and departed peacefully before our very eyes. With start of the recitation itself, his breathing became normal from hard breathing sound and flow of tears from his eyes stopped. In response to his sisters' query, he confirmed that he saw no more the terrible yamas that had been scaring him. This is my first‐hand witness of events.

None of us could vision the coming or going of yamas nor we had any such desire. Our cherished desire was that the one being terrorized by the yamas should be rid of his agony. That peaceful change we could see was made clear by change of his condition. Moreover, the yamas appear before the dying person only or may be to the persons who delve in specialized knowledge about such spirits. The lesson learnt was that yamas dare not approach the person reciting or listening to Gurbani patth. They just flee away from a distance. Truly words of the Guru are efficacious to cut asunder noose of the yamas.


 

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Some numbers:

For every 1,000 people on the planet:

3 are Sikh ... how can we have an effective Khalsa Fauj globally to protect all innocents with such numbers?

66 are Buddhist

133 are Hindu

199 are Muslim

299 are Christian

300 are Atheists or others

And yet we have many within our Panth who on behalf of Hindutva forces falsely decry keshdhari's and sehajdhari's as non-Sikhs who they would rather were included amongst Hindu population numbers. Hindutva reduced Sikh numbers to 25% of their actual number in the 1951 census by excluding all non-Punjabi sehajdhari's like Kabirpanthi's, Jatav's, Satnami's, Sindhi's, Baazigars, Vanjaare and so on.

Now Hindutva is getting so emboldened that they wish to see Sikhs themselves declare sehajdhari's as non-Sikh so as to reduce the Amritdhari population in Punjab to a mere 3% of the Punjab population who would yield zero political influence as such a small minority in Punjab.

Sikh population is currently around 55% in Punjab and projected to become a minority in Punjab by either the 2021 census or the 2031 census if we don't immediately rally around and unite (regardless of who we are) to tackle female infanticide, drugs, biraderi, cancer, illiteracy and poverty afflicting our Panth as the new age self-orchestrated Genocide. Balmiki and Dera Ballan apartheid mandirs are being funded by Hindutva groups to make Sikhs a minority in Punjab by 2021 while we continue to sit idly by and tolerate matrimonial biraderi apartheid.

Quality is more important than quantity when it comes to the quality of our Khalsa Panth.

However, the wider Sikh Panth needs the highest numbers possible (via our own actions as ordinary Sangat) in order to do greater seva for the poor, the oppressed, the hungry, the suffering and the vulnerable. Without an active global Khalsa Fauj (albeit one that could serve under the auspices of the UN) the Khalsa Panth is unable to fulfill its duties as Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj wanted.

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I used to be more of the view that quality is more important than quantity.

But nowadays I think it is vital we push the idea that quantity over quality is better, as we have seen what quality we have and it isn't much. If you look at our kaum we don't have many inspirational parchariks or religious leaders any more that inspire the youth want to be real Sikhs. At least with quantity we can do alot with it in the political arena and in the past had we pushed that agenda we would have been better off as a global community a million times over no doubt.

For the time being quality over quantity need to be shoved firmly put down into the box of shame (ie sarbat da balla liberal hippy, leftist marxist cucked and atheist punjabi types.)

Only after we get majority of our kaums head sorted ideologically and then progress can be made in terms of demographics and other dilemma s face us

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33 minutes ago, genie said:

I used to be more of the view that quality is more important than quantity.

But nowadays I think it is vital we push the idea that quantity over quality is better, as we have seen what quality we have and it isn't much. If you look at our kaum we don't have many inspirational pariks or religious leaders any more that inspire the youth want to be real Sikhs. At least with quantity we can do alot with it in the political arena and in the past had we pushed that agenda we would have been better off as a global community a million times over no doubt.

For the time being quality over quantity need to be shoved firmly put down into the box of shame (ie sarbat da balla liberal hippy, leftist marxist cucked and atheist punjabi types.)

Only after we get majority of our kaums head sorted ideologically and then progress can be made in terms of demographics and other dilemma s face us

so you would prefer half-baked sikhs rather than the real deal just to boost numbers ?

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11 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

so you would prefer half-baked sikhs rather than the real deal just to boost numbers ?

yup because I see majority of Sikhs are half baked at present times anyways. So focusing on quantity now will only be a positive thing.

Quality will always be small in number and it will become better with a big pool of demographics we will have in the future. Also quality is a personal thing for each Sikh to focus themselves on refining it shouldn't be our slogan.

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13 minutes ago, genie said:

yup because I see majority of Sikhs are half baked at present times anyways. So focusing on quantity now will only be a positive thing.

Quality will always be small in number and it will become better with a big pool of demographics we will have in the future. Also quality is a personal thing for each Sikh to focus themselves on refining it shouldn't be our slogan.

why is everybody discounting the droves we could get from other nationalities with good parchaar because breeding them won't change anything much for a couple of decades by then it may be too late to turn Punjab.

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8 minutes ago, genie said:

yup because I see majority of Sikhs are half baked at present times anyways. So focusing on quantity now will only be a positive thing.

Quality will always be small in number and it will become better with a big pool of demographics we will have in the future. Also quality is a personal thing for each Sikh to focus themselves on refining it shouldn't be our slogan.

I wish I could agree with this, but at the way things stand with how our people think and in the age of Apostasy, (where people change religions like buying cars), we have to focus better on improving how our Panth stands. Just ask yourself, how many Sikhs would say they are from Khalistan when a Non-Sikh were to ask where they are from? More Sikhs would respond India, we have to change our Ghulami minds to that of free people before talking about demographics. 30% of the Indian military is made-up of people with Sikh parents; while in India only 3% come from Muslim parents, this should tell us something on how our lot thinks. If our lot view their first identity as Indian, then what benefit do numbers matter? (Our thinking must improve).

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Just now, jkvlondon said:

why is everybody discounting the droves we could get from other nationalities with good parchaar because breeding them won't change anything much for a couple of decades by then it may be too late to turn Punjab.

Our people aren't very friendly towards converts, I don't know why? If you compare this to LDS or Jehovah Witness, you can tell that they are trying to be polite to gain converts. Sometimes our elders just tell them Non-Punjabi/Subcontinentals to F*ck off, (in the nicest way possible). I may say many things about Sikhs being the best, but if you compare how we would treat someone new to say a Christian, they latter actually pretends, (key word is pretend), to like the new ones, (they still are putting an act, but it's something).

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23 hours ago, BhForce said:

It's quite surprising how you would refer to a 20th century Sikh personality that most Sikhs know as "Bhai Randhir Singh" as "Randhir SIngh". If we can't even refer with respect to our own Sikh saints with respect, who will, Muslims?

Near to the end of Gurbani, there's a line that says referring to and addressing saintly Sikhs with respect (by saying "Ji") will earn you freedom from the Messengers of Death:

ਤੁਧੁ ਸਾਲਾਹਨਿ ਤਿਨ ਧਨੁ ਪਲੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਧਨੁ ਸੋਈ ॥

Those who praise You gather the wealth in their laps; this is Nanak's wealth.

ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ (ਮ: ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੨੮ ਪੰ. ੭ 

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਜੀਉ ਕਹੈ ਓਨਾ ਕਉ ਜਮ ਕੀ ਤਲਬ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੩॥

Whoever shows respect to them is not summoned by the Messenger of Death. ||4||3||

So let us all refer to Mani Singh, Budha, Gurbachan Singh, Sunder Singh, Randhir Singh, Attar Singh, Gurdas, Kabeer, Puran Singh* and so on as Bhai Mani Singh ji Shaheed, Baba Buddha ji, Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh ji, Sant Giani Sunder Singh ji, Bhai Randhir Singh ji, Baba Attar Singh ji, Bhai Gurdas ji, Bhagat Kabir ji, Bhagat Puran Singh ji and so on.

*This is not an ordered list!

A nice post filled with respect and humbleness. 

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2 hours ago, genie said:

yup because I see majority of Sikhs are half baked at present times anyways. So focusing on quantity now will only be a positive thing.

Quality will always be small in number and it will become better with a big pool of demographics we will have in the future. Also quality is a personal thing for each Sikh to focus themselves on refining it shouldn't be our slogan.

Exactly right and well stated Genie Bhai Sahib.

By ensuing a larger demographic pool of the wider Sikh Panth, more Amritdhari's of better quality will consequently arise. We see this clearly at Vaisakhi 1699. Only one Punjabi stood up out of millions of Punjabi's. Yet thankfully due to a wider Sikh Panth of Guru Sahib's time (Guru Sahib being Jagat Guru for the whole of humanity) four more of our Panj Piare stood up from as far afield as Gujarat to Orissa to Karnataka being their origins.

Sikhi will not make the breakthrough to becoming a truly global religion by insisting that newcomers to the faith cannot be sehajdhari. Only by accepting all those who attend Gurdwara as fellow Sikhs will we start to make inroads towards Sikh Panth becoming the largest Qaum in India which will in turn help us to assist the poor and oppressed for Sarbat da Bhala to a greater degree. Had the numbers for the wider Sikh Panth been higher in both 1947 and 1984 we have not have suffered Genocides at the hands of Pakistani's and Congress subsequently. Had we not allowed Nehru to define non-Punjabi sehajdhari's as non-Sikhs in 1951 the Sikh percentage in Delhi would have lynched Rajiv Gandhi before he could his line about "when a large tree falls" as there are ten of millions of people in UP alone (now perceiving themselves to be Hindu's) who were erstwhile Ravidassia, Kabirpanthi, Satnami, Adivasi Sikhs and so on.

Where quality is more more important than quantity only applies to the Khalsa Panth in terms of ensuring drug takers and alcoholics or those who practise female infanticide or believe in biraderi apartheid do not take on Khalsa roop for the sole purpose of denigrating the Khalsa Panth.

 

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13 minutes ago, SinghSabha1699 said:

Exactly right and well stated Genie Bhai Sahib.

By ensuing a larger demographic pool of the wider Sikh Panth, more Amritdhari's of better quality will consequently arise. We see this clearly at Vaisakhi 1699. Only one Punjabi stood up out of millions of Punjabi's. Yet thankfully due to a wider Sikh Panth of Guru Sahib's time (Guru Sahib being Jagat Guru for the whole of humanity) four more of our Panj Piare stood up from as far afield as Gujarat to Orissa to Karnataka being their origins.

Sikhi will not make the breakthrough to becoming a truly global religion by insisting that newcomers to the faith cannot be sehajdhari. Only by accepting all those who attend Gurdwara as fellow Sikhs will we start to make inroads towards Sikh Panth becoming the largest Qaum in India which will in turn help us to assist the poor and oppressed for Sarbat da Bhala to a greater degree.

Where quality is more more important than quantity only applies to the Khalsa Panth in terms of ensuring drug takers and alcoholics or those who practise female infanticide or believe in biraderi apartheid do not take on Khalsa roop for the sole purpose of denigrating the Khalsa Panth.

 

I agree with you, however I can see slowly we are making our brainwashed kaum realise demographics and Sikh quantity is important.

If we can provide historical references how our enemies (oppressive hindutva brahminwad caste system and oppressive hill raja's, barbaric islamic invaders rulers, brutal british christian missionary racist empire) didnt want Sikhi to spread and how our Guru's did and our historical heros also did wanted it to spread then we can reverse the brainwashing they have gone through.

And yes quality of Sikhi is more important in khalsa roop than sehajdhari roop Sikhs. Since 1850s (basically defeat of the Sikh empire) to present day the SGPC and other orgs and leaders have tried to enforce keshdhari /  Khalsa roop on all Sikhs making the huge mistake and blunder that hugely cut down our population which lead to  genocides of 1947 and 1984. So it is vitally important our kaum understand why we need to convert people to Sikhi and revive Sikhi in ignorant atheist punjabi people that are born into Sikh families but have no idea what Sikh history is what Sikh politics is and what real Sikh teachings are.

These naive hippy liberal Sikhs go around brainwashed with slogans of "kings are born from her" (feminists) or "sarbat da bhalla" (socialists) or "nirvay nirboha" (hedonists) nice slogans but they fail to understand what these quotes really mean in a Sikh context. These people only use those quotes on their social media for their own anti-sikh lifestyles and some how try to justify it with a few lines of gurbani thinking thats what sikhi is complete and utter lost sheeple's.

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Exactly Genie I agree with you totally above^

Yourself http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/profile/24820-genie/ and SikhKosh http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/profile/39944-sikhkosh/ have been at the forefront of stating this truth on the forum for many years.

In the context of India we have all the exemplar role models possible for every community out there:

Shaheed Bhai Mati Das and Shaheed Bhai Sati Das should be used to encourage 50 million Brahmins into the Truth of Sikhi.

Brother Mehtab Singh (probably one of my favourite Amritdhari GurSikh on this site) is an example of what can be achieved by an erstwhile Brahmin coming to Sikhi but we can reach out to millions more.

http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/profile/1792-mehtab-singh/

Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj and Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh (appointed leader of the Sikh Fauj) and Giani Ditt Singh are shining examples of the Truth as to why 50 million Jatav's from Mayawati's background (who nowadays declare themselves as Hindu's or Buddhists despite their ancestors revering Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) can be re-integrated into the Sikh Panth. As only Sikhs are true Ravidassia's believing in Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj's teachings and Gurbani as opposed to the apartheid Mandirs of Dera Ballan which exhort their followers to vote for Congress.

Image result for guru ravidas turban

Instead of Balmiki's being pushed apartheid Mandirs in Punjab we need to do more to explain who Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji was to ensure that all of today's 50 million so-called Hindu Balmiki's return to becoming "Rangrete Guru ke Bete".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhai_Jiwan_Singh

Dhan Dhan Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj are the Truth as to why almost 20 million Kabirpanthi's should be re-integrated back into the Panth after their 1951 estrangement encouraged by Nehru and Hindutva forces.

Image result for kabir ji

If all 60 million Gujarati's were made aware of Bhai Himmat Singh why would choose to remain in the falsehood of lies their ancestors have raised them with rather than the revolutionary Truth that Sikhi represents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohkam_Singh

Instead of looking down on Bihari's if we explain to the 100 million Bihari population where Dasam Pita the upside potential of new Sikhs there is phenomenal. Far from turning Sikhs into a minority in Punjab they can actively increase the percentage of Sikhs in Punjab if we educate them.

http://dailysikhupdates.com/dalit-turned-sikh-forms-mini-punjab-in-bihar-after-facing-rejection-in-punjab/

Look at the efforts of the Bengali Sikh lady teacher to single-handedly translate Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj into Odisha pasha for the 40 million who speak that language. SGPC did nothing but compare that to her sincerity and devotion to getting the Truth of Gurbani out there.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/ex-school-principal-translates-guru-granth-sahib-in-oriya-seeks-suggestions/story-awVnvUJL7nqAJoMm2R7b8K.html

India and the World are thirsting to learn about the Truth of Sikhi but we are currently failing them by our insular approach (which seeks to constantly reduce the number of people defined as Sikh - whilst our Hindutva opponents do the opposite for their political success by falsely listing anybody and everyone with a pulse as Hindu) and its our job to get as many people into the Sikh Panth so that via greater numbers the Sikh Panth has greater ability to do Sarbat da Bhala globally.

 

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The last thing I would like to see is Sikhs become like zoroastrians (Parsis) . A world of wealth they have but numbers no more than 2 lacs worldwide ! 

Migrating out of their land and dying elsewhere at a community level ! 

25-30 million is not enough ! We need more and more prachar and kids . Call me prude ! 

 

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3 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

The last thing I would like to see is Sikhs become like zoroastrians (Parsis) . A world of wealth they have but numbers no more than 2 lacs worldwide ! 

Migrating out of their land and dying elsewhere at a community level ! 

25-30 million is not enough ! We need more and more prachar and kids . Call me prude ! 

 

You can't convert to Zoroastrianism, people can convert to Sikhi, relatively easily, (you can't ever truly convert to Hinduism, but at this point they have too many small-time worshippers that it doesn't make a difference).

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A lot of this adherence stuff is a numbers game.

We are stuck into playing the old Abrahamic framework.

This abrahmic structure suits those desert based tribal ideologies. That system needs to be dismantled.

The west needs to be dharmified. And then their cultural/soft power needs to be extended to reduce the Abrahamic influences in other countries.

 

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14 hours ago, simran345 said:

A nice post filled with respect and humbleness. 

Thanks!

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6 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

The last thing I would like to see is Sikhs become like zoroastrians (Parsis) . A world of wealth they have but numbers no more than 2 lacs worldwide ! 

Migrating out of their land and dying elsewhere at a community level ! 

25-30 million is not enough ! We need more and more prachar and kids . Call me prude ! 

 

Very succinct description of the problem. The Parsis are slowly (quickly?) dying out. They still refuse to do anything which would allay the situation.

 Migrating out of their land and dying elsewhere at a community level ! 

That's what I've heard a lot of Sikhs say: That it's OK Sikhism will die out in India, and it will be strong outside of India. The reality is more like it will die in India and then die in the West, too, with the views of some our people.

We need to have a strong base in our homeland. This should be patently obvious, but most Sikhs seem to be content in de-populating Punjab and then going on to have the one kid in the West or marrying out.

Call me prude !

I'll call you prudent!

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4 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

You can't convert to Zoroastrianism, people can convert to Sikhi, relatively easily, (you can't ever truly convert to Hinduism, but at this point they have too many small-time worshippers that it doesn't make a difference).

Zoroastrians are self-sabotaging community ! Here in mumbai , there are most of what they're in India ! 

If I were a zoroastrian youth , I would give up everything and use all the money (they're filthy rich) of community and dedicate myself to resuscitating the community.

With population less than 1 lacs in india , high death rate, low birth rates, people marrying outside community , Parsis must be hearing the death knell by now. 

But then again , perhaps somewhere I feel zoroastrians themselves have a self-loathing of sorts, first because they feed their dead to vultures , and with virtually no vultures since 90s in india , their dead bodies keep rotting/drying in their towers of silence. They have 3 such here in mumbai as well . On other hand, they don't accept the ones who marry outside the faith ! And secondly as you said, they don't accept converts ! 

BUT , now coming to main point , I don't want to see sikhi heading the same path ! We need to breed like anything ! 

We're at risk of losing punjab . Didn't we have a punjabi suba movement back then in the 60s as a suger-coated way of asking for a sikh majority state !? Even the gandhis knew sikhs wanted a sikh majority state and not a punjabi majority one ! 

With all the bihari / UP  (?)  hindu migration in punjab we're not only losing demographic battle, but also political and social one ! 

 

As I have said many times before, just any broadcast from punjab shows me more of these "Punjabi" boys who think they're sikhs but don't have dastar on their heads ! those who have dastar don't have unshorn beards ! The ones who have unshorn beards don't care about sikhi and tend to be thick skulled ! 

 

Hindus are not only getting aggressive. Today or tomorrow , they're going to stand in elections too. And not the ordinary hindu , I am talking of rabid right-wing hindutva "shiv sena" types ! 

 

Recent "lalkaar" of them by wearing kirpans and rallying , imitating sikh ardas and other such incidents prove they're teasing us because they know we're declining in Punjab ! 

Everyday I am tired of seeing Christian missionaries on DD Punjabi (state run channel) at prime time (9 pm) .  Why couldn't we have our gursikhi shows at prime time on subscriber-free DD channel ! Muslim population in punjab has grown the most (as recent census showed). Hindu growth was next best , the christian too ! 

Guess who's having least growth ? 

I want to see our youth as majority in our state ! I wish to see more turbans and less of these GHADDAR HAIR CUT TYPES ! 

WAKE UP SIKHO ! PLEASE ! BENTI 

 

thanks for reading . Lets act now 

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3 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Zoroastrians are self-sabotaging community ! Here in mumbai , there are most of what they're in India ! 

If I were a zoroastrian youth , I would give up everything and use all the money (they're filthy rich) of community and dedicate myself to resuscitating the community.

With population less than 1 lacs in india , high death rate, low birth rates, people marrying outside community , Parsis must be hearing the death knell by now. 

But then again , perhaps somewhere I feel zoroastrians themselves have a self-loathing of sorts, first because they feed their dead to vultures , and with virtually no vultures since 90s in india , their dead bodies keep rotting/drying in their towers of silence. They have 3 such here in mumbai as well . On other hand, they don't accept the ones who marry outside the faith ! And secondly as you said, they don't accept converts ! 

BUT , now coming to main point , I don't want to see sikhi heading the same path ! We need to breed like anything ! 

We're at risk of losing punjab . Didn't we have a punjabi suba movement back then in the 60s as a suger-coated way of asking for a sikh majority state !? Even the gandhis knew sikhs wanted a sikh majority state and not a punjabi majority one ! 

With all the bihari / UP  (?)  hindu migration in punjab we're not only losing demographic battle, but also political and social one ! 

 

As I have said many times before, just any broadcast from punjab shows me more of these "Punjabi" boys who think they're sikhs but don't have dastar on their heads ! those who have dastar don't have unshorn beards ! The ones who have unshorn beards don't care about sikhi and tend to be thick skulled ! 

 

Hindus are not only getting aggressive. Today or tomorrow , they're going to stand in elections too. And not the ordinary hindu , I am talking of rabid right-wing hindutva "shiv sena" types ! 

 

Recent "lalkaar" of them by wearing kirpans and rallying , imitating sikh ardas and other such incidents prove they're teasing us because they know we're declining in Punjab ! 

 

WAKE UP SIKHO ! PLEASE ! BENTI 

 

thanks for reading . Lets act now 

Convert the Dalits, and other low-castes, if we focus on that at least our numbers will grow from 2% to at least 10% in the subcontinent, and we would have non-punjabis as a larger percentage the Dalit population is 300 million is just half of them became Sikh, we would be 5 times as large as we are today. And we'd also be more diverse since they are all over the place. Even if every Sikh couple had 5 kids our numbers would at most double. We need to bring people in.

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1 minute ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Convert the Dalits, and other low-castes, if we focus on that at least our numbers will grow from 2% to at least 10% in the subcontinent, and we would have non-punjabis as a larger percentage the Dalit population is 300 million is just half of them became Sikh, we would be 5 times as large as we are today. And we'd also be more diverse since they are all over the place. Even if every Sikh couple had 5 kids our numbers would at most double. We need to bring people in.

Considering I am gay and would have lots of time on my hands if I didn't marry ! I wonder if guru sahib would bless me enough to just make these things happen from my hands !?

I feel that at points in history , dalits DID approach us ! they were unfortunately shooed away by our leaders.

In recent history (20th century) , some 90 lakh Kabir Panthis wanted to embrace Sikhi , but our leadership couldn't make that happen ! 

I wonder if our leadership was ghaddar or perhaps what I feel more likely is one of the following 

1) They were afraid of losing their political power on community and gurdwaras by tides of newly converts

2) They were afraid that these newly convert hindus couldn't be trusted and perhaps they would from inside assimilate Sikhi into Hinduism ! 

If its point 2 , which I do feel is likely part of reason, I feel their fears weren't totally unreasonable . Sikhs tried very hard and did save Sikhi from assimilation into hinduism by Singh Sabha movement. What is today of our faith is mostly a reflection of that point of history . We got official sikh rehat maryada then , concept of 5 takhts and 4 kurehits were most likely not existing before that ! 

 

THIRD big reason is False Jatt pride that has mixed itself into sikhi ! Sikhism was always a religion of down-trodden , YET it was and still is hijacked by those who treat lowlies with contempt . 

 

Just take a look at how an average sikh today treats Bihari migrant ! Rather than treating them with sikhi values, we constantly dishonor them , even forgetting that Sri Guru Gobind Singh sahib were born in bihari land ! 

We kept the gem of sikhi the preserve of Punjabis ! We scoffed at those who married outside rather than trying to get the non-sikh partner (or atleast their offspring) into sikhi ! 

Sikhism is a non-proselyting religion is biggest lie perhaps spread by sikhs themselves in order to appear politically correct !

Zoroastrians too kept their religion to themselves, thinking it too valuable to share with others ! Threw people out of community who married outside .Today many in the community hold the priestly class responsible for landing in the mess they're in now ! 

 

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