Jacfsing2

How Missionary Jatha Got Influence?

33 posts in this topic

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! How exactly did the Missionary Jatha get it's influence especially among the majority of those who aren't Amritdhari? Is there a reason why true Gurmat is being attacked by our own people? Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Define missionary? are you talking about christian/muslim abrahmic missionaries? or a certain Sikh missionary org?

Google defines missionary as "a person sent on a religious mission, especially one sent to promote Christianity in a foreign country."

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, genie said:

Define missionary? are you talking about christian/muslim abrahmic missionaries? or a certain Sikh missionary org?

Google defines missionary as "a person sent on a religious mission, especially one sent to promote Christianity in a foreign country."

Missionary as in "Professors", and "Sikh Missionary Colleges". (I know how the other "Missionary" gets influence and it says something about our failures). Darshan Ragi and others are the ones I'm referring to.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Missionary as in "Professors", and "Sikh Missionary Colleges". (I know how the other "Missionary" gets influence and it says something about our failures). Darshan Ragi and others are the ones I'm referring to.

I think there's always been missionaries around giving their own interpretations of gurbani and sikh history. Thing is instead of excommunicating them (as spgc has done to some) or no platforming banning them or physically fighting them at functions and events ......an intelligent approach should be used to counter their arguments and views.

People are more easily influenced if they think the person has credible evidence. If they pulling things out of thin air they are less likely to be believed and followed.

As for missionaries, we should encourage them to focus their energies to target non-sikhs into bringing others into Sikhi rather than split the panth into different sects of beliefs.

Edited by genie
2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The influence? .....tooooo much belief in their own intellect 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, Koi said:

The influence? .....tooooo much belief in their own intellect 

Faith of any kind isn't based on logic, but rather trust. And Guru's faith is based on humbling yourself and admitting you don't know anything.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Problem stems from the undermining of jeevan wale gursikhs who used to do nishkam sewa of Guru ji through daily granthi duties and kirtaniya duties from the start ...even back in the Ranjit Singh kingdom times they were being undermined by crafty brahmin dhongi Amritdharis that's how the dogrey got their feet under the table and the sikh generals were overlooked when advice was being given .

Now every Tarlochan, Daljeet and Harjinder thinks he knows better than actual rehitvaan gursikhs  and worships and hangs onto the words of every fake DR, Professor, or Phd  coming out of uni ... even in totally disparate fields e.g. engineering, medical etc

got really upset when someone of this ilk referred to Gursikhs as the frock brigade...

 

Edited by jkvlondon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
51 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Faith of any kind isn't based on logic, but rather trust. And Guru's faith is based on humbling yourself and admitting you don't know anything.

yep it is believe it then you see/feel/hear it not  see/feel/hear it then you will believe it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Faith of any kind isn't based on logic, but rather trust. And Guru's faith is based on humbling yourself and admitting you don't know anything.

Yes partially I agree with you. You deffo need to have faith in guru ji but to have faith you must have the right interruption of what guru ji said or did. If you have some wrong so called 'learned people' interrupting things wrongly then people will be misled away from the real message and real spiritual meanings.

So for example we have low IQ low educated people taking some verses in SGGS Ji as literal stuff instead of metaphors as its meant to be taken because gurbani is mostly poetry. And these low IQ people have caused so much trouble in the panth by being dogmatic and violent by saying only their way is the right way everyone else's interruption is heresy and wrong.

So where people are going wrong is at the interruption level. We see this in other regions and their sects too... our folk haven't learn't to debate it out peaceful rather they resort to slandering and violently attacking each other rather than sitting down and understanding what actually did Guru sahibians said or did through historical evidence and through verbally and written traditions,etc.

I am even surprised by some things basics of sikhi has been peddling which I disagree on a fundamental level but i would rather give my own interpretation/understanding of how I see it not by slandering or violently attacking basics of sikhi and its people but just giving my view of what Guru Ji is saying. Eg Guru Nanak is/was not God .... I gave my evidence in other thread..... and Guru ji didn't perform charan di phul with his feet for baptism (which is unhygienic and would put people off). The verses in gurbani are meant to be taken as metaphors not literally.

Edited by genie
2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wouldn't go as far as calling it a jatha, certainly not in the traditional sense of the word. Despite some of the recent negative connotations the term jatha has taken on, being in a jatha is still mostly a force for positivity, or at least it should be. I mean, if you view the entirety of the Sikh faith as a tapestry or a quilt, then each jatha can be said to contribute their own unique segment to said tapestry of the Sikh identity, which serves to enrich and strengthen the whole. That's the theory anyway, lol.

As for these so-called missionaries (i don't understand why this word is used in relation to the issue it's describing but I guess it's too late to change it), my theory is that it's a government black op which originated from the Indian state, designed to undermine and weaken the Sikh faith over the course of decades. They gave us the short, sharp shock in the 80's through state-sponsored pogroms against Sikhs. This current phase is ideological subversion; a much slower, barely detectable form of attack that ultimately shares the same desired outcome as the violence against Sikhs during the 80's and 90's. 

The purpose of creating controversy regarding DG bani was to cause fissures in the quom. The appeal of anti-DG sentiment lies in the fact that it's managed to ensnare some well-meaning, high profile individuals - some via Sikh ideological appeal, others through various material inducements - who've unfortunately fallen for the quite convincing lies and half-truths being promoted. Who the actual leaders and organisers are of this movement behind the scenes, and who are those who've been duped into representing it's public face amongst Sikhs is quite simple to recognise. I really think there are some well-intentioned people who, in their desire to do the right thing according to Sikhi as they see it, are susceptible to being drawn into these games.

As for why non-Amritdharis are generally the target demographic for the anti-DG brigade, i believe it's as i mentioned earlier: a plan to denigrate Gursikhi as a whole by equating Dasme Paatshah's bani - and eventually Dasme Paatshah himself - with certain beliefs that supposedly don't seem congruous with the all-encompassing ethos of Sikh philosophy.  The aim is to proliferate the belief that Dasme Paatshah and his bani is equated with certain negative and controversial subjects in Sikh theology, which will then cause Sikhs to assume, "Do i really want to become a Gursikh when the figurehead who created the Khalsa harbours these opinions and ideas?" If people are hesitant to take Amrit, that's the end of Sikh orthodoxy. Everyone eventually becomes secular Punjabis, or Sunday Sikhs at best. No resistance, no problems for India. The python that is Hindu statehood consumes another victim.

Doubt. That's the end objective. Create doubt in the minds of Sikhs. Once we begin to turn our back on Dasme Paatshah, then it really is the end for us. How do you stop the growth of Sikhi? By undermining and gradually destroying the Gursikhi he gave us.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, genie said:

I am even surprised by some things basics of sikhi has been peddling which I disagree on a fundamental level but i would rather give my own interpretation/understanding of how I see it not by slandering or violently attacking basics of sikhi and its people but just giving my view of what Guru Ji is saying. Eg Guru Nanak is/was not God .... I gave my evidence in other thread..... and Guru ji didn't perform charan di phul with his feet for baptism (which is unhygienic and would put people off). The verses in gurbani are meant to be taken as metaphors not literally.

Let's put this guys IQ to the test of his logic.  According to this poster Charan pahul did not happen because people would be put off by drinking Amrit from the feet of the Guru as its not hygienic.  Lets apply the same reasoning to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji giving Amrit to Punj pyare.  Once the Amrit is prepared people come up one at a time and are given Amrit by the punj pyare hands.  If all of Amrit has not been consumed by the new Sikhs.  Then the Amrit is passed around until all of it is consumed.  This involves every Sikh to put their lips to the bhatte and take a sip from the same bhatte and pass it on to the next Sikh.  According to science sharing drinks/saliva is NOT hygienic.  By sharing drinks a person can get strep throat, hep B, mumps, common cold, herpes, mono, etc.  Through saliva transfer of these viruses and germs can be passed on to the person sharing the drink with you.  In an Amrit sanskar sometimes there are 100s of people taking Amrit at once. According to Mr. IQ this is also not hygienic. Poster Mahakaal is no longer the champions of stupidity.  Poster genie, poster Mahakaal gladly presents you with the Stupidity title belt. 200 years from now poster genie's great grandchildren would apply his logic and say Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji didn't give Amrit through Punj Pyare to people because it's not hygienic.  It wasn't literal, it was meant as a metaphor.  This poster must have been enrolled into Trump University.

Edited by Akalifauj

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

According to this poster Charan pahul did not happen because people would be put off by drinking Amrit from the feet of the Guru as its not hygienic.  Lets apply the same reasoning to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji giving Amrit to Punj pyare.  Once the Amrit is prepared people come up one at a time and are given Amrit by the punj pyare hands.

Problem with your argument is that I didn't make the reference to khalsa initiation khande di pahul ceremony for a reason as its not taken from SGGS Ji,  it is you making that comparison. I specifically made the argument for charan di pahul ceremony because it was allegedly from SGGS Ji that such idea was dreamed up by people wrong interpretation of gurbani according to my understanding. Many people have questioned if there was such a baptism ceremony of Sikhs prior to Dashmesh pitta's Khande di pahul ceremony. According to what I have read and understood there wasn't the so called charan di pahul.

If you have read SGGS Ji you would know yourself vast majority is written in poetry and philosophical sense. When verses are mentioned about drinking guru's feet water it doesnt mean literally drinking it. It is ment to be taken in poetic sense.

Literalist's have proved they have low IQ and limited education because they cant understand the concept of metaphors. So they apply everything they read from gurbani as in literal sense like the abrahmic cults do with their quran's and bibles.

Edited by genie
2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Our own so called Gurdwara committees put these people forward. Darshan Sin is coming to Fresno CA USA next week. To stir up trouble again some well known Gurdwara Fresno (Doctor wala), Selma CA and Caruthers are well known to sponser there trouble makers over at least 15 years. People like Kala Afgana, Ghagga, Bhupinder Sin etc. The termites exist among us.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I wouldn't go as far as calling it a jatha, certainly not in the traditional sense of the word. Despite some of the recent negative connotations the term jatha has taken on, being in a jatha is still mostly a force for positivity, or at least it should be. I mean, if you view the entirety of the Sikh faith as a tapestry or a quilt, then each jatha can be said to contribute their own unique segment to said tapestry of the Sikh identity, which serves to enrich and strengthen the whole. That's the theory anyway, lol.

As for these so-called missionaries (i don't understand why this word is used in relation to the issue it's describing but I guess it's too late to change it), my theory is that it's a government black op which originated from the Indian state, designed to undermine and weaken the Sikh faith over the course of decades. They gave us the short, sharp shock in the 80's through state-sponsored pogroms against Sikhs. This current phase is ideological subversion; a much slower, barely detectable form of attack that ultimately shares the same desired outcome as the violence against Sikhs during the 80's and 90's. 

The purpose of creating controversy regarding DG bani was to cause fissures in the quom. The appeal of anti-DG sentiment lies in the fact that it's managed to ensnare some well-meaning, high profile individuals - some via Sikh ideological appeal, others through various material inducements - who've unfortunately fallen for the quite convincing lies and half-truths being promoted. Who the actual leaders and organisers are of this movement behind the scenes, and who are those who've been duped into representing it's public face amongst Sikhs is quite simple to recognise. I really think there are some well-intentioned people who, in their desire to do the right thing according to Sikhi as they see it, are susceptible to being drawn into these games.

As for why non-Amritdharis are generally the target demographic for the anti-DG brigade, i believe it's as i mentioned earlier: a plan to denigrate Gursikhi as a whole by equating Dasme Paatshah's bani - and eventually Dasme Paatshah himself - with certain beliefs that supposedly don't seem congruous with the all-encompassing ethos of Sikh philosophy.  The aim is to proliferate the belief that Dasme Paatshah and his bani is equated with certain negative and controversial subjects in Sikh theology, which will then cause Sikhs to assume, "Do i really want to become a Gursikh when the figurehead who created the Khalsa harbours these opinions and ideas?" If people are hesitant to take Amrit, that's the end of Sikh orthodoxy. Everyone eventually becomes secular Punjabis, or Sunday Sikhs at best. No resistance, no problems for India. The python that is Hindu statehood consumes another victim.

Doubt. That's the end objective. Create doubt in the minds of Sikhs. Once we begin to turn our back on Dasme Paatshah, then it really is the end for us. How do you stop the growth of Sikhi? By undermining and gradually destroying the Gursikhi he gave us.

Missionary is a positive term we should create more missionaries to target non-sikh people and bring them into sikhi.

As for Indian Gov and the hindutva powers at play trying to split the Sikhs up over controversial issues have been with us for decades/years possibly centuries. The DG and Anti-DM crowds has been around for years. People are swayed by arguments and evidence not by violence and shutting down free speech and right to bring up controversial subjects. I think there needs to be decorum, where such controversial subjects are brought up they are debated in a respectful manor so that people on the opposition side are not made to feel they or what they hold as bani is disrespected.

That's why its always best to organise conferences where things can be discussed and understood between all the scholars, historians, professors so that a consensus can be reached instead of outsider powers dictating to us covertly via their paid agents what we should learn and teach our people.

Edited by genie
2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/14/2017 at 4:16 AM, genie said:

I gave my evidence in other thread

What is the address of the other thread?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/13/2017 at 11:53 AM, Jacfsing2 said:

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! How exactly did the Missionary Jatha get it's influence especially among the majority of those who aren't Amritdhari? Is there a reason why true Gurmat is being attacked by our own people? Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

They been creeping in various small gurdwaras in punjab. They been holding small groups of forum, gathering and camps whether under direct name of theirs or names such as "Guru Gobind Singh Study Circle" etc etc. They target the active folks who are hungry to learn more about sikh religion. They started this trend in 90's. 

example - in chandigarh, they have sec 34 gurudwara which acts as missionaries base and like of katha guy Amrik Singh Chandigarh is from such area. They are all over punjab and stole our precious gems while our kaum care takers were busy fighting, building and looting gurdwaras (sgpc).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 14/04/2017 at 8:24 PM, genie said:

Missionary is a positive term we should create more missionaries to target non-sikh people and bring them into sikhi.

As for Indian Gov and the hindutva powers at play trying to split the Sikhs up over controversial issues have been with us for decades/years possibly centuries. The DG and Anti-DM crowds has been around for years. People are swayed by arguments and evidence not by violence and shutting down free speech and right to bring up controversial subjects. I think there needs to be decorum, where such controversial subjects are brought up they are debated in a respectful manor so that people on the opposition side are not made to feel they or what they hold as bani is disrespected.

That's why its always best to organise conferences where things can be discussed and understood between all the scholars, historians, professors so that a consensus can be reached instead of outsider powers dictating to us covertly via their paid agents what we should learn and teach our people.

sikh will never be missionaries  as missionaries believe they get brownie points for bringing people into christianity by breaking them from their root faith , they use bribes of food, scholarships , jobs etc , then once in they abandon the poor ... 

SIkhs will however be the bringers of peace, justice and food for all irrespective of their faiths . Missionary college, Ludhiana is a govt agent mill  the years where these scum have been prominent is since the start of the Anandpur resolution lehar. The older objecters were individuals manmatti  and ignorant

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 13/04/2017 at 9:19 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

Missionary as in "Professors", and "Sikh Missionary Colleges". (I know how the other "Missionary" gets influence and it says something about our failures). Darshan Ragi and others are the ones I'm referring to.

 

There are some reasons why these miss naris have got some popularity recently.

 

1.The first is their extensive use of social media, especially facebook and youtube.Their media offensive is relentless and evergrowing, mainly because they are cathing those people who know nothing about Dasam Granth (amonhgst other things) first. They are corrupting minds to such an extent that thsoe people will not want to listen to anything else.

 

2. Their use the garb of being protectors of the SIkh Panth to get poplarity amongst panthic Sikhs. My own example. First time I heard of Dhunda was when he made a reply to kamlee kalesh over the vienna thing. I thought this dhunda is really good, very knowledgeable and very panthic. Even arguing with someone who told me what he was really like. But not having a sheep mentality and liking to do my own research it wasn't long before i realised what exactly he was. 

 

3. The miss naris have diluted some of the bedrock aspects of Gurmat, primarily naam simran. kali afghani came out with his no need to keep kes etc. Amongst the sizeable sikh youth who weren't fond of these anyway they became those in sikhi garb who vindicated others own shortcomings.

 

4. The rise of superstiition and deras in panjab has also helpled the miss naris, as they falsely claim that every dera or baba is fake and taking people away from Sikhi to own their paths. This may be true of ram rahim and ashutosh but definitely not true of those deras like nanaksar, taksals and dal panths. yet they blast every single one under the same bracket. So by brakceting all deras, Sikh and non-sikh alike they are capturing the minds of those Sikhs who have no allegiance or sharda with any Sikh dera but now have become firmly anti-dera of any kind.

 

5. The miss nari resistance to Badal Dal and SGPC because of both institutions being corrupt or heavily politicised has gone down well with those are who are anti badal and are looking for those who can claim to be "rebels".

 

6. Thier work under the guise of "social welfare" work has helpd them get supporters in the same way the christians have converted poor sikhs by giving them money and helping them out. Recently we have seen this "singhsabh1699" or "uklondon" whatever encouraging these same ideals under the guise of Panthic bhala.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another feather in their cap was the joining of that dog darshan who started his own panth. sucha high profile figure swayed those (ignorant) people who thought that such someone being of such a high stature in the Panth could not be wrong.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 16/04/2017 at 11:33 AM, jkvlondon said:

sikh will never be missionaries  as missionaries believe they get brownie points for bringing people into christianity by breaking them from their root faith , they use bribes of food, scholarships , jobs etc , then once in they abandon the poor ... 

SIkhs will however be the bringers of peace, justice and food for all irrespective of their faiths . Missionary college, Ludhiana is a govt agent mill  the years where these scum have been prominent is since the start of the Anandpur resolution lehar. The older objecters were individuals manmatti  and ignorant

This is why Sikhs will get trampled over and vanish in pages of history if we have that mindset. The abrahmic cults (christianity, islamic) have been forcing Sikhs not to become missionaries because they know how powerful Sikhi is to liberate people from their brainwashed condition.

Our Guru's spread sikhi to far off nations inspiring non-sikhs to embrace the Guru shabad and Sikhi. Nowadays we have brainwashed cucked leftist marxist liberal sikhs  telling us don't convert non-sikhs to Sikhi because essentially we need to be enslaved and dominated by other communities as our Sikh religion is not worth converting to. This is what message they are sending out naively.

Each individual Sikh must become missionary (Not missionary for nonsense of Christianity but missionary for Sikhi) because Guru's taught as to practice and spread the religion to others which is what basically missionary means at its most fundamental level.

 

Edited by genie
2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, genie said:

This is why Sikhs will get trampled over and vanish in pages of history if we have that mindset. The abrahmic cults (christianity, islamic) have been forcing Sikhs not to become missionaries because they know how powerful Sikhi is to liberate people from their brainwashed condition.

Our Guru's spread sikhi to far off nations inspiring non-sikhs to embrace the Guru shabad and Sikhi. Nowadays we have brainwashed cucked leftist marxist liberal sikhs  telling us don't convert non-sikhs to Sikhi because essentially we need to be enslaved and dominated by other communities as our Sikh religion is not worth converting to. This is what message they are sending out naively.

Each individual Sikh must become missionary (Not missionary for nonsense of Christianity but missionary for Sikhi) because Guru's taught as to practice and spread the religion to others which is what basically missionary means at its most fundamental level.

 

let's agree to use the correct word Parchaarik ...which is a positive and apt word , showing people a better way , a clearer path to happiness and peace of mind . I do not know anyone who has had a negative reaction to learning about sikhi ... in fact they come away with a sense of respect and friendship at the very least . BUT AT THE SAME TIME we need to make EVERY gurdwara a sikh learning centre for the host language speakers at the very least and as many others as possible . Sikhs should be learning multilple languages this is suggested by our Guru Sahiban too ... 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

let's agree to use the correct word Parchaarik ...which is a positive and apt word , showing people a better way , a clearer path to happiness and peace of mind . I do not know anyone who has had a negative reaction to learning about sikhi ... in fact they come away with a sense of respect and friendship at the very least . BUT AT THE SAME TIME we need to make EVERY gurdwara a sikh learning centre for the host language speakers at the very least and as many others as possible . Sikhs should be learning multilple languages this is suggested by our Guru Sahiban too ... 

Parchaarik means missionary there's no difference really ones in punjabi other in english.

The uneducated low IQ indians and illiterate Sikhs in punjab are going around defaming the term missionary in an attempt to be politically correct and not to show intolerance to christians and muslim missionaries so they generalise their attack on the word "missionary" rather than attacking the individual anti-sikh abrahmic and personality cult missionaries

We need proudly say we are Sikh missionaries. I have personally made it my mission to convert non-sikhs from their backward and filth ideologies. I have made social media posts, help share inspirational sikh convert videos and many other forms of propaganda to help people embrace Sikhi from islam and Christianity mostly.

I'm going to be focusing hindu extremists next I want to target the hindu extremists hard where it hurts and convert their ignorant monkey and cow worshipping people from their filthy evil anti-sikh and anti-khalistan ideologies.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, chatanga said:

 

There are some reasons why these miss naris have got some popularity recently.

The majority of the Panth hold these pro-Gurmat views as espoused by Dhadrianwale, Panthpreet, Dhunda, Dhapali, Shaheed Bhai Bhupinder Singh etc. The majority of the Panth does not want to see Bachittar Natak placed parallel alongside Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj at Gurdwara's as was done so until the liberation of Gurdwara's from the control of Hindu Mahants. The majority of the Panth rejects the assertion that our Guru Sahibaan were Hindu Kings from only two clans in their alleged previous lives.

 

Quote

First time I heard of Dhunda was when he made a reply to kamlee kalesh

I thought this dhunda is really good, very knowledgeable and very panthic.

3. The miss naris have diluted some of the bedrock aspects of Gurmat, primarily naam simran.

Not at all - the pro-Sikhi pro-SGGS Khalsa Panth alliance of pro-Gurmat parcharaks like Dhadrianwale and Panthpreet that you term as missionaries emphasise that practical actions for the benefit of humanity are the most true form of naam simran as opposed to sitting down and counting how many times one can repeat Vaheguru according to a reward system allocated by the Dera Mukhi depending on the numbers of times of repetition without contemplation and without any accompanying action to uplift those less fortunate.

kali afghani came out with his no need to keep kes etc.

Please give one example of where Dhadrianwale, Panthpreet, Dhunda, Dhapali, Shaheed Bhai Bhupinder Singh (murdered by DDT) have stated that the Khalsa Panth should not keep kes. Kala Afghana is one man who has nothing to do with centuries old pro-Gurmat pro-Sikh pro-SGGS views held by the Khalsa Panth all the way since 1699.

4. The rise of superstiition and deras in panjab has also helpled the miss naris, as they falsely claim that every dera or baba is fake and taking people away from Sikhi to own their paths. This may be true of ram rahim and ashutosh but definitely not true of those deras like nanaksar, taksals and dal panths.

Let's examine your claims about Nanaksar, Taksal and the Dals:

Nanaksar Sidhu fraud case is well highlighted and well known:

http://www.sikharchives.com/?p=24245

Damdami Taksal openly boast of having murdered Shaheed Bhai Bhupinder Singh and ably assisted Congress in the 1980 elections which brought Indira Gandhi to power - with disastrous results for the Qaum.

https://www.sikh24.com/2016/06/02/baba-dhummas-uk-supporters-give-threat-more-chabeels-to-come/#.WPwMFvkrJkg

Santa Dal received a lot of money from Indira re the Akal Takht 

but now have become firmly anti-dera of any kind.

Sikhi by default is a concept of Unity and anti-Derawaad.

The more that reject the corruption of most Dera's the better 

5. The miss nari resistance to Badal Dal and SGPC because of both institutions being corrupt or heavily politicised has gone down well with those are who are anti badal and are looking for those who can claim to be "rebels".

Contrast that to Badal's lackeys such as your very own Damdami Taksal leader Dhumma. He holds ladoos for his master Badal. Yet orders the murder of Shaheed Bhai Bhupinder Singh.

Image result for dhumma ladoos badal

Image result for badal dhumma

6. Thier work under the guise of "social welfare" work has helpd them get supporters.

Sikhi is all about social welfare. What we do as Sikhs to uplift those within the Qaum and others who are suffering is 99% of what Sikhi is about. The pro-Gurmat camp are at the forefront of attacking the silent Genocide via female infanticide, drugs, cancer, biraderi apartheid, poverty, illiteracy and long may that continue.

 

Recently we have seen this http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/profile/45729-singhsabha1699/ or http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/profile/31362-uklondonsikh/ whatever encouraging these same ideals under the guise of Panthic bhala.

You misunderstand bir'ay. To each his own thing. If Damdami Taksal want to kill fellow Sikhs and propagate that ideology that's your choice. If you want to organise flight tours to Pakistan so that the Pakistani descendents responsible for the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs can earn hard earned money off Sikhs while our Qaum are dying from lack of money to fight infanticide, drugs, poverty, cancer etc then that's fine.

Damdami Taksal can organise coach trips for Sri Chand Puja at river Ganges or up to Sri Hemkhunt Sahib to keep RSS shopkeepers on the route happy, the Santa Dal Niddar types can get high on bhang and alcohol and apply tilaks.

Image result for sri chand damdami taksal

 

But all that's being requested is ... Just let the ordinary pro-Gurmat majority of Sangat with the likes of Panthpreet and Dhadrianwale et al who believe in ikko Guru Maneyo Granth to try focus on the silent Genocide affecting our Qaum re drugs, infanticide, cancer, declining fertility, poverty, biraderi apartheid without killing them as fellow Sikhs.

 

 

 

Edited by SinghSabha1699
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, SinghSabha1699 said:

The majority of the Panth hold these pro-Gurmat views as espoused by Dhadrianwale, Panthpreet, Dhunda, Dhapali, Shaheed Bhai Bhupinder Singh etc. The majority of the Panth does not want to see Bachittar Natak placed parallel alongside Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. The majority of the Panth rejects the assertion that our Guru Sahibaan were Hindu Kings from two clans in their alleged previous lives.

 

Admin this troll is back.  He has started slandering Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Admin this troll is back.  He has started slandering Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji.  

Please no banning. As anyone can verify, I accept the Dasam Granth Sahib as Guru Gobind Singh ji's work, but the arguments against it do not require banning. Many, many Sikhs have been deluded into confusion regarding the Tenth Masters bani, and they have many questions, which can easily be answered.

For one, I'd like the admins not to ban @SinghSabha1699. Just refute what he says if you don't agree with him.

4 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now