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Why Muslims should never be trusted

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12 hours ago, Preeet said:

Exactly, the real name is Hari Mandir. 

If such is the case.  Then in Gurbani, when Alluh is used to praise God.  Guru sahib is praising Alluh of the Koran.  

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1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The website he uploaded from is biased; however, everything that was said is legit. Guru Sahib himself said not to trust any oaths of the Quran in Zafarnama.

I'm not doubting Guru Gobind Singh Ji, not by a long shot. If Guru Sahib said that then obviously he had a legitimate reason and as Guru Pita's kids we should obey it, the main thing I want to put to bed is the quotes from the Quran. 

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16 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

If such is the case.  Then in Gurbani, when Alluh is used to praise God.  Guru sahib is praising Alluh of the Koran.  

There's not a single mention of it ever being called Harimandir, its always Harmandir in all the texts, the Hari mandir she'd rather we worship at is this one. The same people who preach this narrative ended up putting moortis inside Harmandir Sahib.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g635748-d2008479-Reviews-Sri_Hari_Mandir_Temple-Porbandar_Gujarat.html

She's right though, every time we see the word Har in Gurbani we should change it to Hari, I mean remember what happened to the last person who tried to change Gurbani...yeah....he sort of got kicked out and ended up getting burned by his own chelley.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

If such is the case.  Then in Gurbani, when Alluh is used to praise God.  Guru sahib is praising Alluh of the Koran.  

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Allah in the kuran is also praising GOD. I have no issues with anyone praising GOD in any ethical way. I do not know Muhhammad ji, and his teachings could have been misinterpreted, so I would rather keep no opinion of him rather than just guessing. My only concern is for me to follow my own dharma. Allah is a name of God, but we have been instructed to do jaap of Sri Vaheguru during amrit sanchar since it was made from the 4 yugas. Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru

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5 hours ago, Kira said:

There's not a single mention of it ever being called Harimandir, its always Harmandir in all the texts, the Hari mandir she'd rather we worship at is this one. The same people who preach this narrative ended up putting moortis inside Harmandir Sahib.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g635748-d2008479-Reviews-Sri_Hari_Mandir_Temple-Porbandar_Gujarat.html

She's right though, every time we see the word Har in Gurbani we should change it to Hari, I mean remember what happened to the last person who tried to change Gurbani...yeah....he sort of got kicked out and ended up getting burned by his own chelley.

 

 

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

You claim it`s not called `Hari Mandir` if I``m not mistaken.. right? Now I can`t read gurmukhi, but I can read hindi. Just look at the name ``ਹਰਿਮੰਦਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ``! The danda with the head pointing towards the right gives an i sound ``ਹਰਿ`` the one in between that word.. Would that not spell out Hari then? Rather than Har being ਹਰ

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9 minutes ago, Preeet said:

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

You claim it`s not called `Hari Mandir` if I``m not mistaken.. right? Now I can`t read gurmukhi, but I can read hindi. Just look at the name ``ਹਰਿਮੰਦਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ``! The danda with the head pointing towards the right gives an i sound ``ਹਰਿ`` the one in between that word.. Would that not spell out Hari then? Rather than Har being ਹਰ

That sounded funny Preet, "Now I can`t read gurmukhi, but I can read hindi."  So how did you read the Gurmukhi ? 😏

Found this:

 

 

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Just now, simran345 said:

That sounded funny Preet, "Now I can`t read gurmukhi, but I can read hindi."  So how did you read the Gurmukhi ? 😏

Found this:

 

 

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Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

If I must read gurmukhi, I put it in google translate and read the bottom english transliteration. Other than that, if there is gurmukhi on a poster, I cannot understand it!

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7 minutes ago, Preeet said:

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

You claim it`s not called `Hari Mandir` if I``m not mistaken.. right? Now I can`t read gurmukhi, but I can read hindi. Just look at the name ``ਹਰਿਮੰਦਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ``! The danda with the head pointing towards the right gives an i sound ``ਹਰਿ`` the one in between that word.. Would that not spell out Hari then? Rather than Har being ਹਰ

There's a difference. It's not ਹਰੀ which is what you keep trying to force, the word is ਹਰਿ , the sound is softer and completely different. Maybe an idea might be to learn Gurmukhi script before coming on here and lecturing others about what the real name of anything is. If you're mispronouncing a basic word like that I shudder to think what you're doing to other ones. Seek out a Taksali Teacher and get proper Santhiya. That is, if you're willing to become a student and not act like an all knowing master.

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4 minutes ago, Kira said:

There's a difference. It's not ਹਰੀ which is what you keep trying to force, the word is ਹਰਿ , the sound is softer and completely different. Maybe an idea might be to learn Gurmukhi script before coming on here and lecturing others about what the real name of anything is. If you're mispronouncing a basic word like that I shudder to think what you're doing to other ones. Seek out a Taksali Teacher and get proper Santhiya. That is, if you're willing to become a student and not act like an all knowing master.

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Im by far not a master when it comes to gurmukhi! In Hindi the danda when pointed towards the left gives an hard ee sound, while pointing towards the right gives an ih sound. I noticed with all aryan&dravid languages they use those same dandas and they all give the same sounds. When it comes to hari in harimandir, I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. I pronounce it as `har-ih mandir``, not har-ee mandir``.

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My Gurmukhi level is really basic, so I won't be responding to the whole pronunciation point, but it is wise not to be posting stuff like you know how to pronounce it, when you don't. But I do know from the limited knowledge I do know that Gurmukhi evolved not from Hindi, but rather the language of the people of Mahadesha. It's more similar to the Middle-Eastern languages than Hindi or Sanskrit, (they even sound different).

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10 minutes ago, Preeet said:

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Im by far not a master when it comes to gurmukhi! In Hindi the danda when pointed towards the left gives an hard ee sound, while pointing towards the right gives an ih sound. I noticed with all aryan&dravid languages they use those same dandas and they all give the same sounds. When it comes to hari in harimandir, I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. I pronounce it as `har-ih mandir``, not har-ee mandir``.

English and Gurmukhi are 2 separate languages with separate sounds and utterations. Hari <- like that will always be  pronounced wrong, that's why Harmandir is far more accurate but still not the same as the pure Gurmukhi of it. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

My Gurmukhi level is really basic, so I won't be responding to the whole pronunciation point, but it is wise not to be posting stuff like you know how to pronounce it, when you don't. But I do know from the limited knowledge I do know that Gurmukhi evolved not from Hindi, but rather the language of the people of Mahadesha. It's more similar to the Middle-Eastern languages than Hindi or Sanskrit, (they even sound different).

Yeah I've noticed that too. Though I'm not an expert on this, not by a long shot.

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2 minutes ago, Kira said:

English and Gurmukhi are 2 separate languages with separate sounds and utterations. Hari <- like that will always be  pronounced wrong, that's why Harmandir is far more accurate but still not the same as the pure Gurmukhi of it. 

 

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Of course, this is why I suggest to everyone who cannot read gurmukhi to do what I did.. Play a recording of whichever respected paath you wish to recite, and read it with english transliterations while listening.. & then after some time then start to recite it outloud. That`s what worked for me.

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Just now, Preeet said:

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Of course, this is why I suggest to everyone who cannot read gurmukhi to do what I did.. Play a recording of whichever respected paath you wish to recite, and read it with english transliterations while listening.. & then after some time then start to recite it outloud. That`s what worked for me.

or a better idea might be learn Gurmukhi? That method was only for those who were illiterate or speechless. Reading it with English Translations will result in someone completely making a butchery of it. 

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2 minutes ago, Kira said:

or a better idea might be learn Gurmukhi? That method was only for those who were illiterate or speechless. Reading it with English Translations will result in someone completely making a butchery of it. 

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Youre right. I wish to find a teacher soon. But I also meant to say always read it outloud with the recording lol.

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6 hours ago, Preeet said:

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

Allah in the kuran is also praising GOD. I have no issues with anyone praising GOD in any ethical way. I do not know Muhhammad ji, and his teachings could have been misinterpreted, so I would rather keep no opinion of him rather than just guessing. My only concern is for me to follow my own dharma. Allah is a name of God, but we have been instructed to do jaap of Sri Vaheguru during amrit sanchar since it was made from the 4 yugas. Vaheguru Vaheguru Vaheguru

You are in your own league.  Let me guess you were the special student throughout your life.  You still have this title here.

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1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

You are in your own league.  Let me guess you were the special student throughout your life.  You still have this title here.

Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh ji

What was wrong with the post you replied to..? 

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Funny how preet claims to be amritdhari and yet follows mandirs and idols and jyotirlingas and what not.

People often say they follow everything and are not restricted to one religion.

Why don't same people put their one leg in one boat and other leg in other boat when crossing a lake ?

why they only sit in one boat then ? because they know they will drown. Stick to one path , be it sanatan or sikhi. both are great.

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There is so much muslim hatred in this thread .

If we were really so cautious of muslims , why then so many cases of our girls being eloped by muslim boys ? 

also most people seem to be missing that Gurbani has its own definition of muslim . A whole shabad where a new definition of muslim is given in terms of old muslim terminologies. 

Secondly , a muslim in truest sense (as per islam itself) is "one who submits to will of Allah (Waheguru)" . then in that sense all bhagats and all shaheeds and all of true sikhs are "muslims" .

Sufis are not universally peaceful . Shaik Ahmad Sirhindi who got Guru Arjan dev martyred was a sufi . Sufis believe there are 4 layers to reaching truth. Shariat, Tariqat , Marfat and Haqeeqat . Those who're serious in their spiritual quest will obviously be peaceful 

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On 11/04/2017 at 1:21 PM, Mahakaal96 said:

Spot on. In general sikhs are a very honest, non discriminating, trustworthy & friendly people who treat everyone equal regardless of religion etc... however the rest of humanity is not like that & we need to smarten up.

Muslims are the worst because it is quite simply a part of their belief that everyone is not equal.. and that those who are not Muslim (kafirs) can be lied to, exploited, raped & even killed without the risk of any retribution from god.... there's a reason why Guru Gobind Singh Ji exposed their lieing & deceitful ways at Anandpur Sahib when the Muslim swore oaths on the Koran only to then break them at the first available oppurtunity. Guru Sahib did that to open our eyes & to make us aware.

I urge all my brothers & sisters on this site to be more aware, cautious & extremely careful when having any kind of dealing with any Muslim. It's a testament to the greatness of our Guru that we as a community are very tolerant & respectful towards all... but our Guru also taught us to be budhi maan (of discerning intellect) & raj neetic (politically aware).

its good to be cautious , but not good to hate 1.2 billion people with same brush ! gross generalization. Indian and Paki muslims must def be having beef against sikhs. A UAE muslim I doubt has anything against sikhs

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Sadiq Khan must be feeling sad how come sikhs survived and most musslims are aware that wherever sikh community will go , there islam's image will get spoiled because sikhism is only religion whose history started as a testament to extremist islam's brutality 

And Sadiq is pakistani . Paki / Indian / Afghani muslims are more kattar than the UAE / qatari ones I think .

Otherwise muslims in UAE wouldn't have allowed to build a grand gurudwara in dubai . I am sure muslims in UAE don't even know rash history of Sikhs with extremist islam . 

But a pakistani or indian muslim is well aware ! 

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I will go on a leap and say Muhamad was a failed prophet . And his misdeeds are what is reverberating as Islamist fanaticism worldwide.

There's a concept called "Satanic verses" . Its said early life of muhammad wasn't easy. He was pitted against powerful pagan arabs who were idol worshippers and polytheists . Mecca was still a hotspot of pilgrimage and a source of revenue for tribes of mecca.

When muahamad introduced monotheistic islam and rejected idol worship, he found himself at strange odds with powerful arabs . It is well known many wars took place of his new muslims and pagan arabs.

Muhammad longed to convert his kinsmen and neighbors of Mecca to Islam. As he was reciting Sūra an-Najm, considered a revelation by the angel Gabriel, Satan tempted him to utter the following lines after verses 19 and 20:

Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-‘Uzzá
and Manāt, the third, the other?
These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for.

Most of his conversion of arabia to islam was by hocus pocus means . Otherwise islam wouldn't have even become majority religion in arabia , forget about rest of countries

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How come when I expose Pakhandi Babas everyone goes on some tangent, but when someone else exposes them it's perfectly fine? (😒)

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allah and hari,ram,bhagwan,etc of SGGS Ji is not the same as the Hindu and Muslim names for God.

The Allah of Quran is a blood thirsty abrahamic God that has contempt for non-muslims and even if your still a muslim and not of the right muslim sect your going to hellfire.

Hari and other hindu Gods mentioned in SGGS Ji are not literal Gods they are methapors to explain to the hindu converts to Sikhi the stories so they can understand the concepts of the one God.

When Allah is mentioned in SGGS Ji its not the al-lah of profit muhammad its allah metaphor for 1 God.

muhammads meccan pagan tribe used to worship lah (their moon God). And "al" means 'the' in arabic... so they made al-lah meaning 'the God' (of muhammads tribe). Muhammads father was called abdulllah (ab dul lah  meaning slave of al-lah or slave of the mood god). IT is widely acknowledged by muslims of all sects that muhammads father was a strict polytheist meccan pagan... so therefore their God was a pagan god too.

So now that you guys are educated you can inform any hindus or muslims or fellow confused Sikhs about this particular issue and why we dont worship allah of quran or hindu gods we worship our own version of God (waheguru meaning great teacher) but our scriptures refer to their Gods as metaphors.

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As for not trusting any muslims was from guru ji?..... well that's false.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji stated in zafarnama he wouldn't trust any oath on Quran by Aurangzeb or his foot-soldiers for their and his treachery. But guru Ji didnt say never trust muslim's or their oath on Quran again and nor should Sikhs. He had many muslim's who gave him shelter many muslims who fought for him and fought against him. Every different muslim had their own agenda and Guru Ji knew that you cant blanket label them all untrustworthy.

However we know what kinda stuff abrahmic religions teach jews, muslims and Christians. I would not trust oaths on their scriptures from these 3 groups of people based on their overt missionary or overt discriminatory agenda's towards respective non-believers.

The hindu hill raja kings and various brahmins and other powerful hindus also practiced treachery they also backstabbed Guru ji and got chotay sahibzaday martyred. But again guru Ji didnt say never trust hindus or their word or oath on their vedas/geeta,etc.

End of the day all people of all religion and none will backstab you if they are dishonorable and bad evil people. Just look at the SGPC rulers of past and present, DT's dhumma, Akali Dals Badals and Punjab Congress's captain amrinder singh and KPS Gill.

Any of these so called Sikhs seem people of their word? or power hungry politicians willing to lie and see death and destruction of Sikhs to keep their positions of power.

These people are probably even responsible for Guru Ji's beadhi thats happening in punjab... they wont put CCTV camera's or provide 24/7 security for Guru ji's saroops but will cry and shout about incidents only when people come out on the streets in disgust and fury.

 

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