Why Muslims should never be trusted

[S4NGH]

I guess not

[genie]

Some words shouldnt be banned as they are in gurbani. Also it makes the forum really hard to read with banned filter activated every other paragraph.

[imhosingh]

Seriously you need to look past the label of 'muslim'. Islam is full of rules like have been outlined about using things like taqiyya, do you think your average (below average intelligence) person who labels themselves Muslim would know the nuances of its use? Whether you can trust a Muslim is down to you trusting a fellow soul. Likewise i know plenty of folks who labels themselves as 'sikh' who i wouldn't trust with anything. We have all come across them from dodgy lawyers , accountants, business folk to gurdwara committees. People are 'douches' under all 'labels'. Do you think guru Nanak Dev ji should have trusted Bhai Mardana in the early days? Even to infer that Muslims are one homogeneous group is also naive. The Shia and Sunni communities are divided so they can be ruled over, and lots of Arab 'muslims' look down on non-arab Muslims because they converted instead of dying for their beliefs (seeing them as lesser Muslims). The kind of person who uses taqiyya in the west is generally the type that gets caught drink driving or staging an accident and then suddenly uses religion to justify their 'ego' driven motives. Maybe I'm lucky but i do know some 'muslims' from different parts of the world who i would trust as their 'values' are inherent within them. 

[jkvlondon]

4 hours ago, imhosingh said:

Seriously you need to look past the label of 'muslim'. Islam is full of rules like have been outlined about using things like taqiyya, do you think your average (below average intelligence) person who labels themselves Muslim would know the nuances of its use? Whether you can trust a Muslim is down to you trusting a fellow soul. Likewise i know plenty of folks who labels themselves as 'sikh' who i wouldn't trust with anything. We have all come across them from dodgy lawyers , accountants, business folk to gurdwara committees. People are 'douches' under all 'labels'. Do you think guru Nanak Dev ji should have trusted Bhai Mardana in the early days? Even to infer that Muslims are one homogeneous group is also naive. The Shia and Sunni communities are divided so they can be ruled over, and lots of Arab 'muslims' look down on non-arab Muslims because they converted instead of dying for their beliefs (seeing them as lesser Muslims). The kind of person who uses taqiyya in the west is generally the type that gets caught drink driving or staging an accident and then suddenly uses religion to justify their 'ego' driven motives. Maybe I'm lucky but i do know some 'muslims' from different parts of the world who i would trust as their 'values' are inherent within them. 

bro surely you realise that the only shaheeds are of the convert type not true arabs ...i.e. afghanis, pakistanis, somali etc etc

[jkvlondon]

12 hours ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

Should we remove the bani of Baba farid ji from ggsj? 

and here you come spouting nonsense ... we are talking about specific anti-social aggressive behaviour from specific contemporary people claiming Muslim faith . Go and amuse yourself elsewhere

[jkvlondon]

16 minutes ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

I mean the very title of the post is why Muslims should never be trusted... 

It's really not that difficult 

and who said anything about Sheikh Farid ji ? besides the fact he had risen above the label of 'muslim'  by gaining union with Akal Purakh just as all the Bhagats ... you are being rather silly to even suggest what you did ... which Sikh would disrespect His Guru this way ???  
Muslims who claim loyalty to a concocted history , a unsubstantiated quran  ...a mission to build a world empire rather than earning closeness to Allah by ibadat and realising haqiqat... are not trustworthy Guru Gobind SIngh ji our father said so , and it has played out that way .

[jkvlondon]

10 minutes ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

@jkvlondon hope that cleared things up for you 

I was not the one in confusion 

[jkvlondon]

1 minute ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

I asked a simple question since you insist on answering on behalf someone else.. Please answer me this if as has been asserted in the title muslims should never be trusted does that mean that contributions by Muslim bhagats such as Baba farid who clearly identified themselves as Muslim albeit sufi and not literalist technocrats such as Aurangzeb should also not be trusted. If you agree with the statement muslims should not be trusted then that would suggest you would disregard the bani of Baba farid if however you agree Baba farid was a Muslim and his bani is truthful then that necessarily means you disagree with the proposition Muslims should never be trusted.. It's a hypothetical question designed to test the logic of the assertion being made.. 

So do you trust Muslims or don't you? Or do you as I believe the very statement is ridiculous because as was pointed out earlier make a blanket statement such as the one made.. 

What the statement demonstrates is a irrational prejudice, homogenized a diverse group of people with different approaches to a religious philosophy.. 

Your turn simple question spelt out for @jkvlondon what is your answer? Should Muslims never be trusted? 

 

I have qualified who I consider applies under the non-trust issue , it is just the same for any one from any group, trust has to be earnt not demanded. I bow to Guru ji and Bhagat Bani is part of Guru ji so moot point ...I can read gurmukhi and I can definitely say Farid ji's voice is no different in my eyes than Guru Sahiban's . The average Muslim person is light years away from Him ... I trust Farid ji because his bani was selected and approved by my Guru ji - simple. 

 

[jkvlondon]

20 minutes ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

 

Incidentally Baba farids bani is the oldest bani within SGGS 

do you know which Farid wrote it ? because there was more than one,  besides Ong is the oldest part of bani 

[Akalifauj]

18 hours ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

Should we remove the bani of Baba farid ji from ggsj? 

When did you become a troll?