Prophecy about the Gurus

[Guest Jacfsing2]

The best source I found was this: 

apparently this is part of Sant Isher Singh Suleiman Katha; which I found here: 

I'm going to be straightforward I have no interpretation of what it means, but will listen to the Katha to find where it mentions that.

[simran345]

35 minutes ago, Kira said:

That's the Chelleh's problems lol. They could very well easily be there to guide and help out lost souls, God himself worked in a field for Bhagat Dhanna Ji. You'll notice all these stupid sayings start after the Sant or Mahapurkh departs this world.

That's the thing though, no Brahmgyani ever gives out any form of gyan like that. Think back to all the amount of spiritually lifted people we've seen, all of them are still alive in our memory. Guru Nanak was also a warrior, but Guru Harkrishan Ji wasn't. God has countless forms bro. Guru Nanak Dev Ji is just seen (even by the Guru Sahibs later on) as being the most primal even though they were one with him.

 

 I don't think Reborn is the proper term, more likely manifested is better. When someones consciousness merges with God they do become Guru Nanak as well, as Guru Nanak is God. They become one with everything, if we look at it that way then perhaps the "prophecy" (iv heard it but I never really had a chance to check it out so if OP would post it, it would be amazing) is simply stating that, that these souls will become one with God (thus being one with Guru Nanak himself as well) thus Guru Nanak is still here helping the lost souls of the world out.

Even the Bhagti of all the Sants in Sikhism, All of them don't go unnoticed. The amount of miracles and good deeds they did and the amount of people they touched is immense. 

Interesting, I've come across people saying some Mahapurshs/Sants as God. I always thought why do they say that, as nobody can be God. Their God like qualities certainly would have touched many people's lives, but would they be saying it's Guruji's light in them again? Or just have qualities that reflect them? 

[MisterrSingh]

58 minutes ago, simran345 said:

Interesting, I've come across people saying some Mahapurshs/Sants as God. I always thought why do they say that, as nobody can be God. Their God like qualities certainly would have touched many people's lives, but would they be saying it's Guruji's light in them again? Or just have qualities that reflect them? 

I think it comes from Sukhmani Sahib, the Brahmgyani ashtpadi. I'll have to listen to the katha of Sukhmani Sahib to learn what exactly is meant. From my own understanding i believe Guru Sahib gives us markers on how to recognise an individual who exhibits those qualities associated with God as a precursor to merging with Him. Only if a person possesses such indicators can we assume he or she is worthy of such a label. Unless it literally means that person is the Creator, in which case I'm talking nonsense, lol.

[simran345]

56 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I think it comes from Sukhmani Sahib, the Brahmgyani ashtpadi. I'll have to listen to the katha of Sukhmani Sahib to learn what exactly is meant. From my own understanding i believe Guru Sahib gives us markers on how to recognise an individual who exhibits those qualities associated with God as a precursor to merging with Him. Only if a person possesses such indicators can we assume he or she is worthy of such a label. Unless it literally means that person is the Creator, in which case I'm talking nonsense, lol.

I can't find the katha I saw a while a ago, about Brahmgyiani signs, I can't remember the katha vachak, but found this instead:

Sukhmani Sahib ji tells us about Brahmgyiani:

asatpadee.

Ashtapadee:

barahm gi-aanee sadaa nirlayp.

The God-conscious being is always unattached,

jaisay jal meh kamal alayp.

as the lotus in the water remains detached.

barahm gi-aanee sadaa nirdokh.

The God-conscious being is always unstained,

jaisay soor sarab ka-o sokh.

like the sun, which gives its comfort and warmth to all.

barahm gi-aanee kai darisat samaan.

The God-conscious being looks upon all alike,

jaisay raaj rank ka-o laagai tul pavaan.

like the wind, which blows equally upon the king and the poor beggar.

barahm gi-aanee kai Dheeraj ayk.

The God-conscious being has a steady patience,

ji-o basuDhaa ko-oo khodai ko-oo chandan layp.

like the earth, which is dug up by one, and anointed with sandal paste by another.

barahm gi-aanee kaa ihai gunaa-o.

This is the quality of the God-conscious being:

naanak ji-o paavak kaa sahj subhaa-o. ||1||

O Nanak, his inherent nature is like a warming fire. ||1||

barahm gi-aanee nirmal tay nirmalaa.

The God-conscious being is the purest of the pure;

jaisay mail na laagai jalaa.

filth does not stick to water.

barahm gi-aanee kai man ho-ay pargaas.

The God-conscious being’s mind is enlightened,

jaisay Dhar oopar aakaas.

like the sky above the earth.

barahm gi-aanee kai mitar satar samaan.

To the God-conscious being, friend and foe are the same.

barahm gi-aanee kai naahee abhimaan.

The God-conscious being has no egotistical pride.

barahm gi-aanee ooch tay oochaa.

The God-conscious being is the highest of the high.

man apnai hai sabh tay neechaa.

Within his own mind, he is the most humble of all.

barahm gi-aanee say jan bha-ay.

They alone become God-conscious beings,

naanak jin parabh aap karay-i. ||2||

O Nanak, whom God Himself makes so. ||2||

barahm gi-aanee sagal kee reenaa.

The God-conscious being is the dust of all.

aatam ras barahm gi-aanee cheenaa.

The God-conscious being knows the nature of the soul.

barahm gi-aanee kee sabh oopar ma-i-aa.

The God-conscious being shows kindness to all.

barahm gi-aanee tay kachh buraa na bha-i-aa.

No evil comes from the God-conscious being.

barahm gi-aanee sadaa samadrasee.

The God-conscious being is always impartial.

barahm gi-aanee kee darisat amrit barsee.

Nectar rains down from the glance of the God-conscious being.

barahm gi-aanee banDhan tay muktaa.

The God-conscious being is free from entanglements.

barahm gi-aanee kee nirmal jugtaa.

The lifestyle of the God-conscious being is spotlessly pure.

barahm gi-aanee kaa bhojan gi-aan.

Spiritual wisdom is the food of the God-conscious being.

naanak barahm gi-aanee kaa barahm Dhi-aan. ||3||

O Nanak, the God-conscious being is absorbed in God’s meditation. ||3||

barahm gi-aanee ayk oopar aas.

The God-conscious being centers his hopes on the One alone.

barahm gi-aanee kaa nahee binaas.

The God-conscious being shall never perish.

barahm gi-aanee kai gareebee samaahaa.

The God-conscious being is steeped in humility.

barahm gi-aanee par-upkaar omaahaa.

The God-conscious being delights in doing good to others.

barahm gi-aanee kai naahee DhanDhaa.

The God-conscious being has no worldly entanglements.

barahm gi-aanee lay Dhaavat banDhaa.

The God-conscious being holds his wandering mind under control.

barahm gi-aanee kai ho-ay so bhalaa.

The God-conscious being acts in the common good.

barahm gi-aanee sufal falaa.

The God-conscious being blossoms in fruitfulness.

barahm gi-aanee sang sagal uDhaar.

In the Company of the God-conscious being, all are saved.

naanak barahm gi-aanee japai sagal sansaar. ||4||

O Nanak, through the God-conscious being, the whole world meditates on God. ||4||

barahm gi-aanee kai aykai rang.

The God-conscious being loves the One Lord alone.

barahm gi-aanee kai basai parabh sang.

The God-conscious being dwells with God.

barahm gi-aanee kai naam aaDhaar.

The God-conscious being takes the Naam as his Support.

barahm gi-aanee kai naam parvaar.

The God-conscious being has the Naam as his Family.

barahm gi-aanee sadaa sad jaagat.

The God-conscious being is awake and aware, forever and ever.

barahm gi-aanee ahaN-buDh ti-aagat.

The God-conscious being renounces his proud ego.

barahm gi-aanee kai man parmaanand.

In the mind of the God-conscious being, there is supreme bliss.

barahm gi-aanee kai ghar sadaa anand.

In the home of the God-conscious being, there is everlasting bliss.

barahm gi-aanee sukh sahj nivaas.

The God-conscious being dwells in peaceful ease.

naanak barahm gi-aanee kaa nahee binaas. ||5||

O Nanak, the God-conscious being shall never perish. ||5||

barahm gi-aanee barahm kaa baytaa.

The God-conscious being knows God.

barahm gi-aanee ayk sang haytaa.

The God-conscious being is in love with the One alone.

barahm gi-aanee kai ho-ay achint.

The God-conscious being is carefree.

barahm gi-aanee kaa nirmal mant.

Pure are the Teachings of the God-conscious being.

barahm gi-aanee jis karai parabh aap.

The God-conscious being is made so by God Himself.

barahm gi-aanee kaa bad partaap.

The God-conscious being is gloriously great.

barahm gi-aanee kaa daras badbhaagee paa-ee-ai.

The Darshan, the Blessed Vision of the God-conscious being, is obtained by great good fortune.

barahm gi-aanee ka-o bal bal jaa-ee-ai.

To the God-conscious being, I make my life a sacrifice.

barahm gi-aanee ka-o khojeh mahaysur.

The God-conscious being is sought by the great god Shiva.

naanak barahm gi-aanee aap parmaysur. ||6||

O Nanak, the God-conscious being is Himself the Supreme Lord God. ||6||

barahm gi-aanee kee keemat naahi.

The God-conscious being cannot be appraised.

barahm gi-aanee kai sagal man maahi.

The God-conscious being has all within his mind.

barahm gi-aanee kaa ka-un jaanai bhayd.

Who can know the mystery of the God-conscious being?

barahm gi-aanee ka-o sadaa adays.

Forever bow to the God-conscious being.

barahm gi-aanee kaa kathi-aa na jaa-ay aDhaakh-yar.

The God-conscious being cannot be described in words.

barahm gi-aanee sarab kaa thaakur.

The God-conscious being is the Lord and Master of all.

barahm gi-aanee kee mit ka-un bakhaanai.

Who can describe the limits of the God-conscious being?

barahm gi-aanee kee gat barahm gi-aanee jaanai.

Only the God-conscious being can know the state of the God-conscious being.

barahm gi-aanee kaa ant na paar.

The God-conscious being has no end or limitation.

naanak barahm gi-aanee ka-o sadaa namaskaar. ||7||

O Nanak, to the God-conscious being, bow forever in reverence. ||7||

barahm gi-aanee sabh sarisat kaa kartaa.

The God-conscious being is the Creator of all the world.

barahm gi-aanee sad jeevai nahee martaa.

The God-conscious being lives forever, and does not die.

barahm gi-aanee mukat jugat jee-a kaa daataa.

The God-conscious being is the Giver of the way of liberation of the soul.

barahm gi-aanee pooran purakh biDhaataa.

The God-conscious being is the Perfect Supreme Being, who orchestrates all.

barahm gi-aanee anaath kaa naath.

The God-conscious being is the helper of the helpless.

barahm gi-aanee kaa sabh oopar haath.

The God-conscious being extends his hand to all.

barahm gi-aanee kaa sagal akaar.

The God-conscious being owns the entire creation.

barahm gi-aanee aap nirankaar.

The God-conscious being is himself the Formless Lord.

barahm gi-aanee kee sobhaa barahm gi-aanee banee.

The glory of the God-conscious being belongs to the God-conscious being alone.

naanak barahm gi-aanee sarab kaa Dhanee. ||8||8||

O Nanak, the God-conscious being is the Lord of all. ||8||8||

(Not sure about the translation, as it's not from my normal source, srigurugranthsahib.org, as I can't access it). 

 

[MisterrSingh]

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barahm gi-aanee aap nirankaar.

The God-conscious being is himself the Formless Lord.

I think the above settles it. There doesn't seem to be any room for misinterpretation or mixed signals. I was clearly wrong.

[jkvlondon]

57 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I think the above settles it. There doesn't seem to be any room for misinterpretation or mixed signals. I was clearly wrong.

We all forget what Guru ji tells us about our true roop when become awake , because this dream is so compelling

[Singh559]

It's all a load of baloney

[Kira]

9 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I see where you're coming from. I also appreciate the distinctions you're making. I'd rather discuss these issues with someone such as yourself and arrive at a consensus, than with some of the unhinged chelleh, lol. 

Yeahhh...I always think that Jathas are a double edged sword in that regard, you have such zealots who ignore what the founder of their Jatha taught and focus just on them.

9 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

 

In this instance how are we defining manifestation?

Manifest is more like the Poran Sants become one with the lord when they reach enlightenment. Unlike Guru Nanak Dev Ji who was born immaculate, the Sants become the followers of Nanak and also become immaculate, Rather than a Sargun Saroop of God they are nothing more than guides with all the wisdom of Guru Nanak Dev Ji since God=Guru Nanak Dev Ji. If that makes any sense. Again I don't want anyone to think that I'm talking rudely to about Sants/Mahapurkhs, they are far above me in every single respect. The difference between them and myself is too immense to even put into words and I will write here to forgive me for anything wrong I've said regarding them. 

9 hours ago, simran345 said:

Interesting, I've come across people saying some Mahapurshs/Sants as God. I always thought why do they say that, as nobody can be God. Their God like qualities certainly would have touched many people's lives, but would they be saying it's Guruji's light in them again? Or just have qualities that reflect them? 

it's a bit of both Penji. I'm not an expert on this as my knowledge is far too limited. God is unborn however he is also inside everything too, Sants wash away the sins and become one with that light within God. God can be just about anything he wants, he can be the most beautiful person in the world but also the most fierce. 

There's an interesting Sakhi about a muslim Pir (or Hindu Saadhu, I can't be sure completely on this) he was blessed with Spiritual Powers, but he was exploiting them. Using them to control people, So a Poran Sant (I think it was Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji or another Mahapurkh, again the name eludes me so I'll use the word Sant Ji from now on) went to visit him. Sant Ji asked him to stop doing these evil deeds as it wasn't good for him or anyone else, Sant Ji's face was covered with a cloak at the time. The Pir became really arrogant and egotistical, he started taunting Sant Ji that Sant Ji was afraid to show his face as he would curse him. Sant Ji still asked him to stop and ignored the taunts but the Pir wouldn't stop. So Sant Ji lowered his hood, his face (or what he saw) was so surprising the Pir fainted there and then.

 

[Akalifauj]

1 hour ago, Kira said:

Yeahhh...I always think that Jathas are a double edged sword in that regard, you have such zealots who ignore what the founder of their Jatha taught and focus just on them.

Manifest is more like the Poran Sants become one with the lord when they reach enlightenment. Unlike Guru Nanak Dev Ji who was born immaculate, the Sants become the followers of Nanak and also become immaculate, Rather than a Sargun Saroop of God they are nothing more than guides with all the wisdom of Guru Nanak Dev Ji since God=Guru Nanak Dev Ji. If that makes any sense. Again I don't want anyone to think that I'm talking rudely to about Sants/Mahapurkhs, they are far above me in every single respect. The difference between them and myself is too immense to even put into words and I will write here to forgive me for anything wrong I've said regarding them. 

it's a bit of both Penji. I'm not an expert on this as my knowledge is far too limited. God is unborn however he is also inside everything too, Sants wash away the sins and become one with that light within God. God can be just about anything he wants, he can be the most beautiful person in the world but also the most fierce. 

There's an interesting Sakhi about a muslim Pir (or Hindu Saadhu, I can't be sure completely on this) he was blessed with Spiritual Powers, but he was exploiting them. Using them to control people, So a Poran Sant (I think it was Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji or another Mahapurkh, again the name eludes me so I'll use the word Sant Ji from now on) went to visit him. Sant Ji asked him to stop doing these evil deeds as it wasn't good for him or anyone else, Sant Ji's face was covered with a cloak at the time. The Pir became really arrogant and egotistical, he started taunting Sant Ji that Sant Ji was afraid to show his face as he would curse him. Sant Ji still asked him to stop and ignored the taunts but the Pir wouldn't stop. So Sant Ji lowered his hood, his face (or what he saw) was so surprising the Pir fainted there and then.

 

Never say Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji was born.  Read what Gurbani says on those who say the Guru was born.

[jkvlondon]

5 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Never say Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji was born.  Read what Gurbani says on those who say the Guru was born.

pargatia means manifested right?