Pattaka Kabit about Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadhrianwale by Kamalroop Singh

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ਪਟਾਕਾ ਕਬਿੱਤ

ਭਾਈ ਰਣਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਝੂਠ ਕੌ ਬਣਾ ਕੇ ਸਾਚ, ਭੋਲੀ ਭਾਲੀ ਸੰਗਤ ਕੋ ਪੁੱਠੇ ਰਾਹਿ ਪਾਵਤਾ॥
ਤੇਗ ਕੇ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸੋ ਹਿੰਦ ਕੀ ਹੈ ਚਾਦਰ ਜੋ; ਕੀਆ ਨਾਹੀ ਤੱਪ ਭੋਰੇ, ਬੈਣ ਰਹੇ ਗਾਵਤਾ॥
ਮਹਿੰਗਾ ਗਿਰੰਥ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਕਵੀ ਸੰਤੋਖ ਸਿੰਘ; ਸੂਰਜ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਕੋ ਭੀ ਝੂਠ ਹੀ ਬਤਾਵਤਾ॥
ਅਸੰਤ ਏਹ ਢੱਡਰੀ ਕਾ ਪੜ੍ਹਿਆ ਕੀਤੋਂ ਭੀ ਨਾਹੀਂ, ਖਾਲਸੇ ਮੇ ਨਿੱਤ ਰੋਜ ਵਾਦ ਹੈ ਵਧਾਵਤਾ॥

ਚਉਪਈ॥

ਕਹੇ ਇਤਹਾਸ ਬੰਦਿਆਂ ਦਾ ਲਿਖਿਆ॥
ਮੈ ਕਿਉ ਮਾਨੂ ਇਹ ਹੈ ਸਬ ਮਿਥਿਆ॥

ਗੁਰ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਦੇਹ ਧਾਰ ਹੀ ਆਵੈਂ॥
ਦੇਹੀ ਧਾਰ ਬਾਣੀ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਵੈਂ॥

ਢਡਰੀ ਭੀ ਤੋ ਮਾਤਾ ਕਾ ਜਾਇਆ॥
ਇਹ ਭੀ ਤੋਂ ਗਰਭ ਜੂਨੀ ਆਇਆ॥

ਇਹ ਸਭ ਇਸ ਕੀ ਮੂਰਖਤਾਈ॥
ਸਾਕਤ ਇਸਕੀ ਬੁਧ ਉਲਟਾਈ॥

ਦੋਹਰਾ॥

ਰਣਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਢਡਰੀਆਂ ਕਾ, ਅਪਨਾ ਹੀ ਪੰਥ ਚਲਾਇ॥
ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਬਲਵਾਨ ਜੋ, ਖਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਇਸੇ ਖਪਾਇ॥

Dialogue should be held with Ranjit Singh - not anger or violence

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਸਾਹ ਲੈਂਦਾ - ਸਿੱਖ ਨੇ ਹੁਣ ਸਾਹ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੈਣਾ। ਜੋ ਲਵੇ ਸੋ ਤਨਖਾਹੀਆ।
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਪਾਣੀ ਪੀਂਦਾ - ਸਿੱਖ ਨੇ ਹੁਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੀਣਾ।
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਰੋਟੀ ਖਾਂਦਾ - ਸਿੱਖ ਨੇ ਹੁਣ ਰੋਟੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਖਾਣੀ।
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਪਾਉਂਦਾ - ਸਿੱਖ ਨੇ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਤਿਆਗ ਦੇਣੇ ਹੁਣ।
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਟੱਟੀ-ਪਿਸ਼ਾਬ ਕਰਦਾ , ਸਿੱਖ ਨੇ ਹੁਣ ਟੱਟੀ-ਪਿਸ਼ਾਬ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਨਾ। ਜੋ ਕਰੇ ਸੋ RSS ਦਾ ਗੁਲਾਮ।

ਹੋ ਗਈਆਂ ਪੰਜ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਕਠੀਆਂ ? ਦੱਸੋ ਕੀ ਫਰਕ ਹੈ ਸਾਡੇ ਚ ਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਚ ?

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[Akalifauj]

This kamalroop guy is a loyalist to 3ho, a group of idol worshippers.  His pocket must be hurting for him to speak up against child ranjit singh.

[Akalifauj]

1 minute ago, 5akaalsingh said:

He has done extensive research and work on Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, however

What part of loyalist to idol worshippers did you not understand?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Kamalroop is going to pick on a child version of Ranjit Singh is an unfair standard, (he's still wrong though). Ranjit Singh doesn't know that even the Light of God put a tilak on, but again Ranjit hasn't once said that Guru Sahib is God. This is basic history which proves how stupid the things he says is, but Kamalroop is also in the wrong for being an RSS agent.

[genie]

11 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Ranjit Singh doesn't know that even the Light of God put a tilak on, but again Ranjit hasn't once said that Guru Sahib is God.

You believe Guru Sahib is God? And if so which Guru sahib?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

8 minutes ago, genie said:

You believe Guru Sahib is God? And if so which Guru sahib?

This question has been addressed hundereds of times. But my unchanged view you can read here: 

haven't you already asked this question before: 

But yes Guru Sahib is Vaheguru.

[Akalifauj]

16 minutes ago, genie said:

You believe Guru Sahib is God? And if so which Guru sahib?

All of them are one and the same with God.  Gurbani clearly says this and says Vaheguru took the fifth form and sat as Sri Guru Arjun Dev ji.  

[Guest Jacfsing2]

This is also written by me: http://gurukisikhi.weebly.com/home/1-vs-11-gurus

[genie]

9 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

This question has been addressed hundereds of times. But my unchanged view you can read here: 

haven't you already asked this question before: 

But yes Guru Sahib is Vaheguru.

In my personal view and my reading of gurbani scriptures he clearly is not God but a messenger/agent of God. The light of God was in him (is it is in all of us) to do Waheguru's work but he was more enlightened and blessed with powers more than any of us will ever be. Here are my main reasons why he was not God:

1) Because Guru Nanak Sahib Ji himself praises God as an external entity. He does not state he is Waheguru and for him to be worshipped.

2) Guru Gobind Singh Ji (whose light of guruship was transferred to him) stated he is not God and says anyone who claims he is will be cursed.

So if the light of the Guru's has been carried from the 1st to the last we can see there is a consistent message of Waheguru being an external force and the Guru's were messengers of Waheguru who had attained the power and permission from God to do what they came on earth to do.

As for the instances where some lines are said to have state in SGGS Ji that Guru Nanak was God this can be explained by the use of metaphors and not literally meaning he was Waheguru himself descended on earth. Because that would have clearly been a false premise as had Waheguru really came down to earth then logic would tell us that all crimes, sins and other evil deeds would have come to an end and there would be perfect harmony and peace in the world.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

54 minutes ago, genie said:

In my personal view and my reading of gurbani scriptures he clearly is not God but a messenger/agent of God. The light of God was in him (is it is in all of us) to do Waheguru's work but he was more enlightened and blessed with powers more than any of us will ever be. Here are my main reasons why he was not God:

1) Because Guru Nanak Sahib Ji himself praises God as an external entity. He does not state he is Waheguru and for him to be worshipped.

2) Guru Gobind Singh Ji (whose light of guruship was transferred to him) stated he is not God and says anyone who claims he is will be cursed.

So if the light of the Guru's has been carried from the 1st to the last we can see there is a consistent message of Waheguru being an external force and the Guru's were messengers of Waheguru who had attained the power and permission from God to do what they came on earth to do.

As for the instances where some lines are said to have state in SGGS Ji that Guru Nanak was God this can be explained by the use of metaphors and not literally meaning he was Waheguru himself descended on earth. Because that would have clearly been a false premise as had Waheguru really came down to earth then logic would tell us that all crimes, sins and other evil deeds would have come to an end and there would be perfect harmony and peace in the world.

I'm not going to argue on the issue on this topic, but if you are interested in arguing about it; then you can create a new thread and add me on it. (The result of being considered one of the most sarcastic people on this site, prevents me from doing it). But before ending it your last paragraph asks about sin ending if Guru Sahib was Vaheguru and he came on the world, but Vaheguru is already everywhere and has existed before time; so that would just be going on a decline for humanity.