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1 hour ago, Guest Haridas said:

India's climate is hot for 80% of the year and moist in Winter.  Cow slaughter was banned and leather probably not very popular (hence shoes not made).  Hence I don't think socks were high on the priority list?

I don't think the Persians think that.  However, if it bothers you that much, you could always call them socks?

 

You misunderstood my point.

If there is a word that did not exist in Punjabi then it's not a problem.

For example the word phone.

however, if there is a word for something in Punjabi which through conquest gets replaced by another language, then in time people will forget the previous word.

What this means in time it is the new memory is that the word came from this foreign country and people will automatically assume that that it where it came from.

You will then lose your heritage and history because you think that your own people were not capable.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Guest Haridas said:

India's climate is hot for 80% of the year and moist in Winter.  Cow slaughter was banned and leather probably not very popular (hence shoes not made).  Hence I don't think socks were high on the priority list?

I don't think the Persians think that.  However, if it bothers you that much, you could always call them socks?

 

what total nonsense caste system has a jaat for leather workers and cobblers ...they were professions and looked down on but they produced leather goods from bridles, saddles, straps for breastplates  etc  to shoes . They are called Chamars derived from chamarkars, you may of heard of them many jatts have allergies to them .

people wore shoes , it was just the poor who couldn't afford to that didn't . Haven't you been told off for walking about nangey parin by your bazurg?

 

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On 24/11/2017 at 7:42 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

The problem with all these Persian words is that makes us Punjabis look like a complete bunch of incompetents. 

It means that we could not come up with anything without the Persian introducing it to us.

 

you do realise that our ancient ancestors moved from that region of the world to northern India bringing their own words too which may may not have commonality with some Persian words . Besides it's only you that has such a negative attitude towards your own maa boli ...maybe the fact that you are not as down about all the sanskrit words says more about your own biases

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56 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

you do realise that our ancient ancestors moved from that region of the world to northern India bringing their own words too which may may not have commonality with some Persian words . Besides it's only you that has such a negative attitude towards your own maa boli ...maybe the fact that you are not as down about all the sanskrit words says more about your own biases

What negativity? 

My maa boil is Punjabi not Persian.

There are other posters here that mentioned about replacing Persian/Arab words .

Maybe I should not be called Ranjeet since it has got Sanskrit roots. 

 

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21 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

you do realise that our ancient ancestors moved from that region of the world to northern India bringing their own words too which may may not have commonality with some Persian words . Besides it's only you that has such a negative attitude towards your own maa boli ...maybe the fact that you are not as down about all the sanskrit words says more about your own biases

what makes you so sure?  so you basically think your ancestors were persians who spoke persian?  and where did these persians come from?

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21 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

what total nonsense caste system has a jaat for leather workers and cobblers ...they were professions and looked down on but they produced leather goods from bridles, saddles, straps for breastplates  etc  to shoes . They are called Chamars derived from chamarkars, you may of heard of them many jatts have allergies to them .

people wore shoes , it was just the poor who couldn't afford to that didn't . Haven't you been told off for walking about nangey parin by your bazurg?

 

sandals? 

weren't these castes looked down on purely because they dealt with leather?

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It's amazing how the average Indian mind worked / works. To manufacture a system of exclusion and discrimination against a group of people whose trade was the creation of essential durable goods for daily use, just seems foolish when it's broken down. Yes, the leather aspect is tricky because of the cultural hangup about the reverence for the creature from which leather is derived, but transport chamaars to somewhere like 17th century United States, and they'd be viewed as valuable members of society providing essential goods and services to the population.

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28 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's amazing how the average Indian mind worked / works. To manufacture a system of exclusion and discrimination against a group of people whose trade was the creation of essential durable goods for daily use, just seems foolish when it's broken down. Yes, the leather aspect is tricky because of the cultural hangup about the reverence for the creature from which leather is derived, but transport chamaars to somewhere like 17th century United States, and they'd be viewed as valuable members of society providing essential goods and services to the population.

the funny things is this leather was recovered from corpses which would otherwise have gone into decomposition so making something of value from nothing

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11 hours ago, Guest Haridas said:

sandals? 

weren't these castes looked down on purely because they dealt with leather?

people who were/are beaten for daring to keep mucha dhardi even these days , yeah sure sandals ... you have to realise just how beleagured their lives are by the proclamations of the Brahmins and Ksatriyas ...

they were looked down on handling the unwanted corpses of dead cattle and goats yes 

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On 24/11/2017 at 7:42 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

The problem with all these Persian words is that makes us Punjabis look like a complete bunch of incompetents. 

It means that we could not come up with anything without the Persian introducing it to us.

 

So should we replace  english words in current use in Panjab such "internet" and "mobile phone"?

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On 24/11/2017 at 9:19 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

It could be construed that we did not know how to cover our feet when it was cold.

We did not know to knit and sew until the Persians came and taught us.

This makes us look like a bunch of primitives.

 

So that would mean that the persian word did not replace the Panjabi word but added another word to be used by Panjabis?

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20 hours ago, chatanga said:

 

So should we replace  english words in current use in Panjab such "internet" and "mobile phone"?

yeah borrowing from Vishwakarma's dictionary of sanskrit....:rofl

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23 minutes ago, chatanga said:

 

So that would mean that the persian word did not replace the Panjabi word but added another word to be used by Panjabis?

urdu borrowed from persian moze, moje for socks
Punjabi word as far as I know is jaraaba 

bunthe - knitting 

kadaia -embroidery 

as far as I know the horsemen of mongols then turks wore a type of pull on soft leather boot which makes sense of the now usage in urdu because they look sock/mocassin like .

juttian is panjabi

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