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On 04/04/2017 at 8:04 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

Re; the 'TBH - What is happening to the Women' thread on the main page:

Genie said :

Two things here:

Firstly, how on earth do you compare perverted lustful male masturbation with something that half the population of the entire world does naturally every month as a way of preparing the body for pregnancy ? 

Secondly, what kind of a world do you live in which  female menstruation is seen as 'truly more perverse' than all the killing, destroying, stealing, cheating, drinking and drug-taking that the men get up to ?

Jagsaw, are you then saying that rupi kaur was right in posting her period stained underwear on instagram? 

If it's OK because it's something that half the world's population does ever month (your words), why don't you take a crap in your kucha and post that on instagram? That's something that the whole world, not half, does naturally and more regularly than one a month.

You <banned word filter activated>.

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On 08/04/2017 at 10:42 AM, jkvlondon said:

truth is we are better off building gurdwarey in residental streets or in location which are not near shops/clubs ...

jkvlondon, I'll reply to you in a moment but first let me address the following Yoyo29:

Brother (or sister) don't take anything said on this forum personal. When someone here says 'all muslims should be rounded up and deported' you should always ignore it and see it for what it is. Nothing more than a silly comment. Every forum on earth will always have the odd silly comment. You know it in no way represents we Sikhs and you should know that it has not gone unoticed on this forum how a Muslim like you has always conducted himself (or herself) with upmost decorum and respect.

Now, jkvlondon, I disagree that it is a great idea to have, and open even more, Gurdwaras in inner city residential streets when we know that our Sikh demographics are changing and those same residential streets will soon be majority eastern European and Muslim. If we do wht you say we're creating no issues, worries or problems for me, you or any other Sikh in the UK. What we're doing however, is blindly and ignorantly creating major problems for the next generation. We in this generation know full well that being a Sikh in the UK is changing. We know full well that places like Camberley in Surrey are increasingly becoming the next great Sikh centre of the UK in much the same way that Southall was beginning to become the next great Sikh centre back in the late 1950's when the east end Sikhs from Aldgate set up permanent roots there. We know this and yet we still want to build and keep our Gurdwaras in the places Sikhs used to live knowing full well that our children will have to deal with the problem of maintaining, keeping safe, selling and ultimately bulldozing those same places simply because there are no more Sikhs living there.

Now, I know you mentioned how it is easier for our bajurgs. I reject that argument. The Jews of the east end of London and Brooklyn New York went through a very similar set of circumstances a couple of generations ago. When the Jews had left those crime ridden inner city neighbourhoods they found that many jewish bajurgs didn't want to go because the local synangogues were nearby and they couldn't drive. This personal ideal of reality turned into a nightmare because those bajurgs left behind simply because they wanted to live within walking distance of the local synangogue became perpetual victims of crime in neighbourhoods that were no longer theirs and the synagogues died horrible lonely deaths.

This brings me to the reality of today. The subject of the initial Gurdwara of the news story was in Handsworth. Handsworth is known througout the world as one of the great centres of Yardie Jamaican culture. Handsworth is notorious throughout the world so I won't even attempt to explain how and why it is silly and futile to open more and more Gurdwaras there when Sikhs are progressing economically and moving to better areas, so I'll talk about that other area that houses a mulitude of Gurdwaras, Southall. My grandfather was one of the original Sikhs that moved to Southall in 1957 from the east end because Wolf's rubber factory gave employment to the Sikh men and the margarine factory gave employment to the women. Are any of those pioneering families still living in Southall ? No. Most moved out to Norwood Green and Osterley and now as they have progressed even further they've moved to the villages and small commuter belt towns in Surrey, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire with Camberley in Surrey as the epicentre. The Southall we left behind is full of a united nations of nationalities and religions but 'Sikhs' were very few of them until the Afghan Sikhs arrived in the 2000's and gave a Sikh presence again. So what will become of the Sikhs that remain in Southall and what will become of our Gurdwaras there that we have in abundance and build even more of them even though its a place we now only visit in order to do a bit of shopping on a weekend ?  The day to day reality is that it is a place that is now known as London's premier red light district, London's gambling capital with the most betting shops per area, London's drug capital with more (and cheaper) heroin and cocaine than area of London and now, with newsaper reports last week after someone did a freedom of information request, the area of London that have a 'residential street' in the UK with THE highest rate of crime in the whole of Great Britian.

This raises 2 questions:

1) Why would any Sikh want to raise his or her children in an area that is officially full of the worst influences ? and secondly,

2) Apart from the Gravesend and Leamington Spa Gurdwaras all of our Gurdwaras are in similar 'bad' neighbouhoods in the UK, so why is this a good idea ?

 

 

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On 13/04/2017 at 6:13 PM, Guest London jwaan said:

Jagsaw, are you then saying that rupi kaur was right in posting her period stained underwear on instagram? 

If it's OK because it's something that half the world's population does ever month (your words), why don't you take a crap in your kucha and post that on instagram? That's something that the whole world, not half, does naturally and more regularly than one a month.

You <banned word filter activated>.

Wjkk wjkf

Guest London Jawaan Singh, Only Waheguru knows what you called me in that 'banned and filter activated' and only Waheguru knows of what happened in your family life rendering you incapable of conversing normally to people withouut profaities.

Leaving that aside, Yes. Yes I do support Rupi Kaur. What Rupi kaur did set the international internet ablaze,,,,it made people awaken and think. My view is that it echoed everything that Sikhi stands for. My Gurus said something against caste at a time when it was considered the epitome of disgusting behaviour to do so. My Gurus talked about the genesis of earth and mankind  (mool mantar) at a time when it was considered the height of heresy to do so. My Gurus talked about the environment and how we are destroying it (Sri Guru Har Rai sahib ji) hundreds of years before 'westerners' had even the slightest notion of it and given how it was maharaja ranjit singh;s grand-daughter who was at the forefront of the western women's suffragette rights in the early 1900s in London the answer is YES. Yes.... Given how the world wide international multi national multi ethnic multi racial world went ablaze with a sister simply photographing herself in the same way that my own sister found herself every month and yet a position that many men find justification for denying her entry to occupations and places of worship.  So yes. Of course I think Rupi Kaur was "right"..    Now state why you think she was wrong and this time try and do it without insults.

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Ranjeet01    1,150
18 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

jkvlondon, I'll reply to you in a moment but first let me address the following Yoyo29:

Brother (or sister) don't take anything said on this forum personal. When someone here says 'all muslims should be rounded up and deported' you should always ignore it and see it for what it is. Nothing more than a silly comment. Every forum on earth will always have the odd silly comment. You know it in no way represents we Sikhs and you should know that it has not gone unoticed on this forum how a Muslim like you has always conducted himself (or herself) with upmost decorum and respect.

Now, jkvlondon, I disagree that it is a great idea to have, and open even more, Gurdwaras in inner city residential streets when we know that our Sikh demographics are changing and those same residential streets will soon be majority eastern European and Muslim. If we do wht you say we're creating no issues, worries or problems for me, you or any other Sikh in the UK. What we're doing however, is blindly and ignorantly creating major problems for the next generation. We in this generation know full well that being a Sikh in the UK is changing. We know full well that places like Camberley in Surrey are increasingly becoming the next great Sikh centre of the UK in much the same way that Southall was beginning to become the next great Sikh centre back in the late 1950's when the east end Sikhs from Aldgate set up permanent roots there. We know this and yet we still want to build and keep our Gurdwaras in the places Sikhs used to live knowing full well that our children will have to deal with the problem of maintaining, keeping safe, selling and ultimately bulldozing those same places simply because there are no more Sikhs living there.

Now, I know you mentioned how it is easier for our bajurgs. I reject that argument. The Jews of the east end of London and Brooklyn New York went through a very similar set of circumstances a couple of generations ago. When the Jews had left those crime ridden inner city neighbourhoods they found that many jewish bajurgs didn't want to go because the local synangogues were nearby and they couldn't drive. This personal ideal of reality turned into a nightmare because those bajurgs left behind simply because they wanted to live within walking distance of the local synangogue became perpetual victims of crime in neighbourhoods that were no longer theirs and the synagogues died horrible lonely deaths.

This brings me to the reality of today. The subject of the initial Gurdwara of the news story was in Handsworth. Handsworth is known througout the world as one of the great centres of Yardie Jamaican culture. Handsworth is notorious throughout the world so I won't even attempt to explain how and why it is silly and futile to open more and more Gurdwaras there when Sikhs are progressing economically and moving to better areas, so I'll talk about that other area that houses a mulitude of Gurdwaras, Southall. My grandfather was one of the original Sikhs that moved to Southall in 1957 from the east end because Wolf's rubber factory gave employment to the Sikh men and the margarine factory gave employment to the women. Are any of those pioneering families still living in Southall ? No. Most moved out to Norwood Green and Osterley and now as they have progressed even further they've moved to the villages and small commuter belt towns in Surrey, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire with Camberley in Surrey as the epicentre. The Southall we left behind is full of a united nations of nationalities and religions but 'Sikhs' were very few of them until the Afghan Sikhs arrived in the 2000's and gave a Sikh presence again. So what will become of the Sikhs that remain in Southall and what will become of our Gurdwaras there that we have in abundance and build even more of them even though its a place we now only visit in order to do a bit of shopping on a weekend ?  The day to day reality is that it is a place that is now known as London's premier red light district, London's gambling capital with the most betting shops per area, London's drug capital with more (and cheaper) heroin and cocaine than area of London and now, with newsaper reports last week after someone did a freedom of information request, the area of London that have a 'residential street' in the UK with THE highest rate of crime in the whole of Great Britian.

This raises 2 questions:

1) Why would any Sikh want to raise his or her children in an area that is officially full of the worst influences ? and secondly,

2) Apart from the Gravesend and Leamington Spa Gurdwaras all of our Gurdwaras are in similar 'bad' neighbouhoods in the UK, so why is this a good idea ?

 

 

Camberley?  There aren't very many Sikhs in Camberley or in Surrey really.

South Bucks - around Gerrards X/Stoke Poges/Iver/Fulmer/Farnham Common/Stoke Poges . That is more the new central gravity for Sikhs.

Problem with the more affluent Sikhs in these leafy areas is that a lot of these guys do not want to have gurdwarae in these areas. They prefer to drive into the "inner-city " areas for their gurdwarae and all their Asian shopping whilst keeping the affluent areas they now reside in as gorafied as possible.

There is a Sikh school in Stoke Poges in South Bucks and the local villagers were against the school. You know who were some of the biggest objectors? Other Sikhs!

 

 

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19 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

jkvlondon, I'll reply to you in a moment but first let me address the following Yoyo29:

Brother (or sister) don't take anything said on this forum personal. When someone here says 'all muslims should be rounded up and deported' you should always ignore it and see it for what it is. Nothing more than a silly comment. Every forum on earth will always have the odd silly comment. You know it in no way represents we Sikhs and you should know that it has not gone unoticed on this forum how a Muslim like you has always conducted himself (or herself) with upmost decorum and respect.

Now, jkvlondon, I disagree that it is a great idea to have, and open even more, Gurdwaras in inner city residential streets when we know that our Sikh demographics are changing and those same residential streets will soon be majority eastern European and Muslim. If we do wht you say we're creating no issues, worries or problems for me, you or any other Sikh in the UK. What we're doing however, is blindly and ignorantly creating major problems for the next generation. We in this generation know full well that being a Sikh in the UK is changing. We know full well that places like Camberley in Surrey are increasingly becoming the next great Sikh centre of the UK in much the same way that Southall was beginning to become the next great Sikh centre back in the late 1950's when the east end Sikhs from Aldgate set up permanent roots there. We know this and yet we still want to build and keep our Gurdwaras in the places Sikhs used to live knowing full well that our children will have to deal with the problem of maintaining, keeping safe, selling and ultimately bulldozing those same places simply because there are no more Sikhs living there.

Now, I know you mentioned how it is easier for our bajurgs. I reject that argument. The Jews of the east end of London and Brooklyn New York went through a very similar set of circumstances a couple of generations ago. When the Jews had left those crime ridden inner city neighbourhoods they found that many jewish bajurgs didn't want to go because the local synangogues were nearby and they couldn't drive. This personal ideal of reality turned into a nightmare because those bajurgs left behind simply because they wanted to live within walking distance of the local synangogue became perpetual victims of crime in neighbourhoods that were no longer theirs and the synagogues died horrible lonely deaths.

This brings me to the reality of today. The subject of the initial Gurdwara of the news story was in Handsworth. Handsworth is known througout the world as one of the great centres of Yardie Jamaican culture. Handsworth is notorious throughout the world so I won't even attempt to explain how and why it is silly and futile to open more and more Gurdwaras there when Sikhs are progressing economically and moving to better areas, so I'll talk about that other area that houses a mulitude of Gurdwaras, Southall. My grandfather was one of the original Sikhs that moved to Southall in 1957 from the east end because Wolf's rubber factory gave employment to the Sikh men and the margarine factory gave employment to the women. Are any of those pioneering families still living in Southall ? No. Most moved out to Norwood Green and Osterley and now as they have progressed even further they've moved to the villages and small commuter belt towns in Surrey, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire with Camberley in Surrey as the epicentre. The Southall we left behind is full of a united nations of nationalities and religions but 'Sikhs' were very few of them until the Afghan Sikhs arrived in the 2000's and gave a Sikh presence again. So what will become of the Sikhs that remain in Southall and what will become of our Gurdwaras there that we have in abundance and build even more of them even though its a place we now only visit in order to do a bit of shopping on a weekend ?  The day to day reality is that it is a place that is now known as London's premier red light district, London's gambling capital with the most betting shops per area, London's drug capital with more (and cheaper) heroin and cocaine than area of London and now, with newsaper reports last week after someone did a freedom of information request, the area of London that have a 'residential street' in the UK with THE highest rate of crime in the whole of Great Britian.

This raises 2 questions:

1) Why would any Sikh want to raise his or her children in an area that is officially full of the worst influences ? and secondly,

2) Apart from the Gravesend and Leamington Spa Gurdwaras all of our Gurdwaras are in similar 'bad' neighbouhoods in the UK, so why is this a good idea ?

 

 

as you know where we tread the other guys come and poison the water so to speak , does this mean we keep running or do we settle somewhere and actually create a presence . there are more of them than there are of us so where would you suggest ? Yes we moved to the 'burbs but so did they after selling their shitty council flats ...

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12 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

as you know where we tread the other guys come and poison the water so to speak , does this mean we keep running or do we settle somewhere and actually create a presence . there are more of them than there are of us so where would you suggest ? Yes we moved to the 'burbs but so did they after selling their shitty council flats ...

Well the Sikhs may need to pick up some Jewish habits where if one Jew sells his home in a neighbourhood, the other Jews all chip in and purchase the house and sell to another Jew.

But we don't operate in that manner. 

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6 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Well the Sikhs may need to pick up some Jewish habits where if one Jew sells his home in a neighbourhood, the other Jews all chip in and purchase the house and sell to another Jew.

But we don't operate in that manner. 

c'mon they don't want to give business to their brothers  like Guru ji suggested (to help each other and to do aathabar) buying houses is a far off thing ...wish it wasn't , we could move those in rough neighbourhoods out , setting up training places etc.

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6 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

apparently I'm not the only one to observe the mysterious mushrooming of parallel 'educational' places for muslims :

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/islamic-kindergartens-vienna-s-muslim-preschools-cause-a-stir-in-austria/story-oVNNlceakLKR4iNAf9NvnI.html

You're being prejudiced. Everything is fine. It's scaremongering. They'll be productive, tolerant members of society who certainly won't isolate themselves in their various enclaves, breeding every other minority into insignificance. Let them be.  

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Just now, MisterrSingh said:

You're being prejudiced. Everything is fine. It's scaremongering. They'll be productive, tolerant members of society who certainly won't isolate themselves in their various enclaves, breeding every other minority into insignificance. Let them be.  

:rofl ok whatever

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On 15/04/2017 at 8:33 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

Well the Sikhs may need to pick up some Jewish habits where if one Jew sells his home in a neighbourhood, the other Jews all chip in and purchase the house and sell to another Jew.

But we don't operate in that manner. 

2 things:

Firstly, a similar system does exist among the Afghan Sikhs. They have a system whereby one person buys a shop with the help of a relative and it is then his duty to set the next man up in one. This chain continues. They do it as a way of keeping the wealth in the family, which incidentally is also why they practice first cousin marriage. But apart from them who benefits from it ?

Do you ? No.   Do I ? No.  Does any other Sikh ? No.  So much for sarbat da bhalla then. Its all about accumulating and keeping hold of wealth...at any cost.

Secondly, your point about the Jews is mistaken. Secular Jews long moved out of those kind of neighbourhoods into the leafier suburbs and don't practice any of that and certainly want absolutely nothing to do with the religious Jews (Haassidics). The religious Jews, who still live in the bad inner city neighbourhoods we're discussing with regards to we Sikhs, in places like Stamford Hill, are in no position to buy houses willy nilly. UK Government statistics show them to be by far the poorest community in the UK. Overwhelmingly living below the poverty line and 100% of them on some type of welfare benefits because only a tiny percentage of them work.

D'ya see a pattern developing here ? 

  • Jews that believe prayer is more important than hard work and want to do nothing but pray all day are a drain on our resources, going backwards economically and live in bad neighbourhoods while the progressive Jews move to better areas and ensure their children grow up away from those areas.
  • Muslims (mostly kashmiri) that believe prayer is more important than hard work and want to do nothing but pray all day are a drain on our resources, going backwards economically and live in the worst neighbourhhods while the progressive Punjabi pakistanis move to better areas and ensure their children grow up away from those areas.
  • We Sikhs ?   Well we've still got time to correct whats beginning to happen but with our multitude of parcharaks telling people prayer is the only important thing coupled with the decline of our historic work ethic things are looking pretty ominous.

Meanwhile, the Hindus get out of the bad neighbourhoods and take up positions as the CEOs and CFOs of giant multi-nationals and even have 3 or 4 positions of extreme power in the cabinet of a racist like Trump.

Alot to think about there.

 

 

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On 18/04/2017 at 7:25 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

2 things:

Firstly, a similar system does exist among the Afghan Sikhs. They have a system whereby one person buys a shop with the help of a relative and it is then his duty to set the next man up in one. This chain continues. They do it as a way of keeping the wealth in the family, which incidentally is also why they practice first cousin marriage. But apart from them who benefits from it ?

Do you ? No.   Do I ? No.  Does any other Sikh ? No.  So much for sarbat da bhalla then. Its all about accumulating and keeping hold of wealth...at any cost.

Secondly, your point about the Jews is mistaken. Secular Jews long moved out of those kind of neighbourhoods into the leafier suburbs and don't practice any of that and certainly want absolutely nothing to do with the religious Jews (Haassidics). The religious Jews, who still live in the bad inner city neighbourhoods we're discussing with regards to we Sikhs, in places like Stamford Hill, are in no position to buy houses willy nilly. UK Government statistics show them to be by far the poorest community in the UK. Overwhelmingly living below the poverty line and 100% of them on some type of welfare benefits because only a tiny percentage of them work.

D'ya see a pattern developing here ? 

  • Jews that believe prayer is more important than hard work and want to do nothing but pray all day are a drain on our resources, going backwards economically and live in bad neighbourhoods while the progressive Jews move to better areas and ensure their children grow up away from those areas.
  • Muslims (mostly kashmiri) that believe prayer is more important than hard work and want to do nothing but pray all day are a drain on our resources, going backwards economically and live in the worst neighbourhhods while the progressive Punjabi pakistanis move to better areas and ensure their children grow up away from those areas.
  • We Sikhs ?   Well we've still got time to correct whats beginning to happen but with our multitude of parcharaks telling people prayer is the only important thing coupled with the decline of our historic work ethic things are looking pretty ominous.

Meanwhile, the Hindus get out of the bad neighbourhoods and take up positions as the CEOs and CFOs of giant multi-nationals and even have 3 or 4 positions of extreme power in the cabinet of a racist like Trump.

Alot to think about there.

 

 

What kind of system do you think the Jews in the neighbourhoods of Golders Green, Finchley and Hendon follow?

This is the real centre of gravity for the Jewish community in London.

They maybe not ultra ultra orthodox like hassidics but they there are fair number of orthodox and secular amongst them but they are a tribe and they will have an in group preference.

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On 18/04/2017 at 7:25 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

 

Meanwhile, the Hindus get out of the bad neighbourhoods and take up positions as the CEOs and CFOs of giant multi-nationals and even have 3 or 4 positions of extreme power in the cabinet of a racist like Trump.

Alot to think about there.

 

 

ever heard of the saying birds of a feather flock together ? The racist, misogynistic, fascistic HIndus will naturally be at home with the Godless Flock Trump leads ...besides they are such douches even in such high positions they will beat and abuse their high achieving wives too :

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/04/18/wife-records-chilling-audio-of-husband-silicon-valley-ceo-verbally-and-physically-abusing-her/

the result ? he got a sentence of three months because they were worried about having to deport him ....yeah really

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11 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

ever heard of the saying birds of a feather flock together ? The racist, misogynistic, fascistic HIndus will naturally be at home with the Godless Flock Trump leads ...besides they are such douches even in such high positions they will beat and abuse their high achieving wives too :

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/04/18/wife-records-chilling-audio-of-husband-silicon-valley-ceo-verbally-and-physically-abusing-her/

the result ? he got a sentence of three months because they were worried about having to deport him ....yeah really

Hindus will automatically side with who is the strongest.

Pure opportunism, nothing more nothing less.

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Re the 'Carrotts - Different Colours' thread on the diet page:

In a way the question of that thread sums up why I'm wasting my time as nobody listens to what I say.

A long while ago I wrote something here about how all carrotts grown on our farms in Punjab are purple because purple is the natural colour of carrotts. I explained how carrotts only became orange because in the 18th century dutch growers altered it as a tribute to the House of Orange.

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      हरि जीउ क्रिपा करहु गुरु मेलहु जन नानक हरि धनु पलै जीउ ॥४॥१॥ 
      Har jī▫o kirpā karahu gur melhu jan Nānak har ḏẖan palai jī▫o. ||4||1|| 
      O Dear Lord, please show Mercy to me, that I may meet the Guru. Servant Nanak gathers the Wealth of the Lord's Name in his lap. ||4||1|| 
    • Penji that's exactly what I said. the (<) refers to their lifelines, hence why Maya doesn't have a less than symbol.  In terms of age and how long they will live, Maya will grossly outlive Vishnu, but he'll outlive Shiva and so on. Another one leaves and has his place taken by another and so on.
    • the other thing also adi shakti made Maya/kaal which created asura as well dev lok that's why asura could never be conquered without dev lok asking for shastra from akal purakh  ... the true mahakaal  as it is only by his hukam kaal can be destroyed
    • Nice explanation penji. I have been pondering over these lines for a day or two now, I think you just nailed It.
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