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Homosexuality (gaandu) was before your religion was born , is still despite being thrown off the buildings and will continue to exist even after any semblance of religion is lost from this world (as you can see will happen with the passage of time.  

If you believe this, why are clinging onto a religious identity then? Why not follow the logic of your own prediction about the future, and stop jumping on a religious identity. 

See, (for the rest of you) this is what happens when you insist on people keeping an external Sikh appearance. A lot of times you can tell kids are going to grow up gay but how they act. If you have one like this, don't make him grow up with kesh, cut his hair or you're just adding to the issue. 

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1 minute ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If you are going to admit to being a Non-Sikh, at the very least ackwolegde what you have been talking about this entire time, you've been trolling this entire time.

Nope I am not religious but yes spiritually inclined and have faith in SGGS . I love gurbani and am inclined towards spiritual things and discourses since childhood. Still love listening to maskeen ji . 

But what I said was based on how future is shaping and let us not be haughty enough to say we got it all right.

If waheguru is infinite , so is its creation. Don't think there are only 2 genders. Increasingly number of people are refusing to fail in this suffocating 2-gender-only classification. 

Remember "Purkh main naar, naar main purkha. Bujho brahmgiani" (Man is inside woman, woman inside man. Understand this , O god-conscious beings ) ...   Hunn bujho brahmgianio , mere veero ! :)

Again I am not batting for gay rights in panth. I don't want further splits in panth . We have enough issues already.

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6 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

If you believe this, why are clinging onto a religious identity then? Why not follow the logic of your own prediction about the future, and stop jumping on a religious identity. 

See, (for the rest of you) this is what happens when you insist on people keeping an external Sikh appearance. A lot of times you can tell kids are going to grow up gay but how they act. If you have one like this, don't make him grow up with kesh, cut his hair or you're just adding to the issue. 

So you admit that homosexuality is something inborn trait , deeply ingrained and impossible to change .

Why then do you still want to treat them lesser ?

gays are not a threat to panth or our image. Men who brandish swords in weddings in gurudwaras are threat , and men sword-fighting in darbar sahib , etc etc . 

Also , very brutal of you to say a gay sikh should be deprived of his spiritual opportunity (kes) . Shame on you ! I pity your kid if he/she's gay ... World is already tough place for us, don't want an abusive father on top of that. 

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BTW , FYI just a few days back , a gay sardar (sikh) man had a grand gay wedding with his partner in US ( I think). ofcourse the wedding was fab :D and he even put his pics and videos out in social media . 

Oh but he's a blot on the panth right ? And few weeks earlier , a lesbian superindent inspector in punjab married her girlfriend. So what ? 

There are lots of gays in punjabi blood. The sooner we accept this, the better.

But I say again , I am not batting for gay rights in Sikhi society . We gay singhs and kaurs don't want further divisions in kalgidhar patshah's kaum .. 

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Guest Jacfsing2

@AjeetSinghPunjabi, this is my last reply to you, so don't reply to me again. Nobody was debating gayness or any morality with gayness, and you've been trolling like the some guy stole your money or hit your car on a road. Just learn to relax and know that not everyone is out to get you. First it's the Anti-Hindu, and now it's Anti-Straight. Nobody cares at all that you like <banned word filter activated> or a <banned word filter activated>, man or woman, and continually mentioning it just proves that you need to really have a more fulfilling life.

Again this is my last reply to you on this forum, so don't continue the discussion.

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Just now, Jacfsing2 said:

@AjeetSinghPunjabi, this is my last reply to you, so don't reply to me again. Nobody was debating gayness or any morality with gayness, and you've been trolling like the some guy stole your money or hit your car on a road. Just learn to relax and know that not everyone is out to get you. First it's the Anti-Hindu, and now it's Anti-Straight. Nobody cares at all that you like <banned word filter activated> or a <banned word filter activated>, man or woman, and continually mentioning it just proves that you need to really have a more fulfilling life.

Again this is my last reply to you on this forum, so don't continue the discussion.

I am sorry to see you're so annoyed by my replies here. Sorry to see you go veere :/ 

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Sorry if I p!ssed off people here , that was not my intention >_<

Berserk literally went berserk on gays and I out of my weakness went berserk too . Extremly sorry ! 

Won't do it again, but don't boycott me :'( 

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13 minutes ago, Balkaar said:

 

Obviously I can't begin to imagine what it's like to live your life feeling as though you are trapped in your own skin. I feel so sorry for those who are forced to live this way. 

But there's no arguing with biology, the fact is there simply are only two genders and they are defined very easily - by our chromosomes. If your chromosomes read as XX, you're a woman. XY, you're a bloke, and nothing anyone says or does, no cosmetic alterations to the surface of their skin, will change the basic configuration of their cells. A case can be made that biological hermaphrodites constitute a third gender, but someone with XY chromosomes who believes they are a woman doesn't in my opinion merit the distinction. We Sikhs keep our kes because we do not believe in interfering with the god-given form, so how could we possibly support gender-reassignment surgery? 

Believing something about yourself does not make it true. A man can believe he's a dragon, that doesn't make him a dragon. Similarly, just because a man believes he is a woman, doesn't mean he is one. 

 

I agree

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8 hours ago, Balkaar said:

 

Obviously I can't begin to imagine what it's like to live your life feeling as though you are trapped in your own skin. I feel so sorry for those who are forced to live this way. 

But there's no arguing with biology, the fact is there simply are only two genders and they are defined very easily - by our chromosomes. If your chromosomes read as XX, you're a woman. XY, you're a bloke, and nothing anyone says or does, no cosmetic alterations to the surface of their skin, will change the basic configuration of their cells. A case can be made that biological hermaphrodites constitute a third gender, but someone with XY chromosomes who believes they are a woman doesn't in my opinion merit the distinction. We Sikhs keep our kes because we do not believe in interfering with the god-given form, so how could we possibly support gender-reassignment surgery? 

Believing something about yourself does not make it true. A man can believe he's a dragon, that doesn't make him a dragon. Similarly, just because a man believes he is a woman, doesn't mean he is one. 

 

we're more than the configuration of cells . 

I don't feel trapped , but yes there're people who feel so . what you call em ? umm transgenders 

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17 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

You carry on like that and see how long before we have 'gay' Anand Karajs. 

Please God, take me away from the world before I see that. 

OK, time to leave this world dally

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9 hours ago, Guest London jwaan said:

OK, time to leave this world dally

 

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Surely it wasnt an anand karaj? I really doubt that when  sikhs r protesting interfaith marriages that they will allow gay marriages to occur unchallenged in a gurudwara? 

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Re; the 'Why is Sikhsangat a success' thread on the main page:

The answer is it is not. It is an illusion. Scratch the surface beneath this illusion and you find something really quite rotten. You find a make-believe virtual world that is represents Kaljug at it's worse. A world in which those with their hair cut (Dallysingh101) insult those of us who are Amritdhari. In this virtual Kaljug, people with their hair cut give lectures about Sikhi to those with Kesh, If 'success' means upside down topsy turvy anti-Sikhi than yes...sikhsangat is a great success. In the normal sense of the word however, and on the basis that it is a 'Sikh' forum, it is a simmering cesspit of wrongness rather than a 'success'. This virtual world of Sikhi (sikhsangat) where the hair-cut are the parcharaks, gianis, granthis and leaders, will and must come tumbling down in a mighty way. That will come when people wake up from their slumber. On the whole, this site is full of barely conscious individuals too dim to spot how pro-India dogs are present in large numbers hunting in packs doing anything in their power to steer all conversations away from criticism of India and push the agenda towards blaming Islam for all we Sikhs are going through at the moment.....and too dim to see how frauds with their hair cut have become the sheriffs and marshalls of a 'Sikh' site. A virtual world in which those who don't even have the minimum religious strength of conviction to grow their hair and keep a pagh let alone shak amrit and keep a dastar not only set the tone but also perenially mock and abuse those that have become the 10th masters sons and daughters. Sikhi is goodness and goodness says this site must come tumbling down in a very mighty way. It's only a matter of time before more of you awaken from your slumber.

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