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Re: the 'Meat Shop opening next to Gurdwara' thread on the main

There are 2 issues here; The first is that we are gonna have to get used to some very real issues coming our way during the next decade. Whats coming our way is entirely of our own making and the next generation will look back at our mistakes of today and wonder how we could have been so short-sighed, ignorant and ill-informed. Whats happening and will continue to happen in places like Southall and Handsworth is that there are 20 times more Gurdwaras than are needed. To constantly open more and more Gurdwaras in inner-city residential neighbourhoods based on Sikh demographics of the 1960's whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact that old Sikh families of Southall and Handsworth are now mostly and increasingly found in the commuter belt of Surrey, Berkshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire is blatantly asking for trouble in the future. Today the problem might be 'meat shops' but it doesn't take a genius to foresee how the same fate that befell Christian churches will also fall on our too many gurdwaras when they are all situated in areas where Sikhs no longer live.

The second point to remember is that unlike Canada and America etc we do not have zoning laws etc. Our history - mirrored in the history of the English language - is for residential streets to contain a haphazard mixture of places of worship, pubs, schools, clubs, meat shops, police stations and electricity sub-stations. The fact that members of our community decided to open a Gurdwara where for hundreds of years pubs, cigarettes and meat have been sold does not give them the right to dicatate what they would like to be sold nearby. If what is sold nearby is an issue for them they should have picked a more suitable location in the first place. The fact that members of our community decided to open a Gurdwara in a neighbourhood that is now majority black Jamaican and Muslim they can't now tell the local population they can't have a meat shop nearby when that local population love their meat and want a meat shop.

Our problems today are of our own making , i.e our badly-educated short-sighted outlook of yesteryear and today.

 

Re; the 'Jagsaw's Thread: An Apology' thread on the main page:

Apology accepted. None of that changes the fact however that we Sikhs need to understand how debate and discussion is not the same as arguing. Debate and discussion is vital to human development. It opens and expands our mind and enables us to think critically. This nasty habit in our community of stifling debate and equating it with anti-Sikh activity is already having a terrible negative effect on us intellectually with Hindus reaching the very top of society and hijab wearing Muslim females now increasingly taking up great positions in the fields of medicine and law leaving our religious with a terrible reputation of a badly educated community. To constantly cry "close this thread.....close that thread" every single time a remotely interesting discussion takes place on this 'discussion forum' is directly related to our national stereotype of a people lacking intellectual capability.

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Re; the 'TBH - What is happening to the Women' thread on the main page:

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What I found more disturbing was that of that rupi kaur and putting up on instagram account a picture of her period stained pyjama's. That was truely perverse and disgusting akin to and comparable a man wearing his joggers with semen stains on it. Why would any right minded person do such a thing?

Two things here:

Firstly, how on earth do you compare perverted lustful male masturbation with something that half the population of the entire world does naturally every month as a way of preparing the body for pregnancy ? 

Secondly, what kind of a world do you live in which  female menstruation is seen as 'truly more perverse' than all the killing, destroying, stealing, cheating, drinking and drug-taking that the men get up to ?

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On 01/04/2017 at 4:21 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

Re: the 'Meat Shop opening next to Gurdwara' thread on the main

There are 2 issues here; The first is that we are gonna have to get used to some very real issues coming our way during the next decade. Whats coming our way is entirely of our own making and the next generation will look back at our mistakes of today and wonder how we could have been so short-sighed, ignorant and ill-informed. Whats happening and will continue to happen in places like Southall and Handsworth is that there are 20 times more Gurdwaras than are needed. To constantly open more and more Gurdwaras in inner-city residential neighbourhoods based on Sikh demographics of the 1960's whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact that old Sikh families of Southall and Handsworth are now mostly and increasingly found in the commuter belt of Surrey, Berkshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire is blatantly asking for trouble in the future. Today the problem might be 'meat shops' but it doesn't take a genius to foresee how the same fate that befell Christian churches will also fall on our too many gurdwaras when they are all situated in areas where Sikhs no longer live.

The second point to remember is that unlike Canada and America etc we do not have zoning laws etc. Our history - mirrored in the history of the English language - is for residential streets to contain a haphazard mixture of places of worship, pubs, schools, clubs, meat shops, police stations and electricity sub-stations. The fact that members of our community decided to open a Gurdwara where for hundreds of years pubs, cigarettes and meat have been sold does not give them the right to dicatate what they would like to be sold nearby. If what is sold nearby is an issue for them they should have picked a more suitable location in the first place. The fact that members of our community decided to open a Gurdwara in a neighbourhood that is now majority black Jamaican and Muslim they can't now tell the local population they can't have a meat shop nearby when that local population love their meat and want a meat shop.

Our problems today are of our own making , i.e our badly-educated short-sighted outlook of yesteryear and today.

 

Re; the 'Jagsaw's Thread: An Apology' thread on the main page:

Apology accepted. None of that changes the fact however that we Sikhs need to understand how debate and discussion is not the same as arguing. Debate and discussion is vital to human development. It opens and expands our mind and enables us to think critically. This nasty habit in our community of stifling debate and equating it with anti-Sikh activity is already having a terrible negative effect on us intellectually with Hindus reaching the very top of society and hijab wearing Muslim females now increasingly taking up great positions in the fields of medicine and law leaving our religious with a terrible reputation of a badly educated community. To constantly cry "close this thread.....close that thread" every single time a remotely interesting discussion takes place on this 'discussion forum' is directly related to our national stereotype of a people lacking intellectual capability.

In terms of location of gurdwarae, the issue at hand is that the older generation are the ones that for the most part will frequent the gurdwarae during the week as they for some reason like to live in these neighbourhoods. The inner city located gurdwarae are probably more suitable for the older generations as they are walkable or at least accessible via public transport.

The leafier suburbs would perhaps would be suitable for people with cars.

I think that Gurdwarae should be ideally be one that is acessible for the elderly and also one that has the car space facility for the weekend sangat.

Our community is in a transitional phase and I feel our gurdwarae will need to reflect that this transition. 

How this is done, I have no idea.

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On 4/1/2017 at 11:21 AM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

The second point to remember is that unlike Canada and America etc we do not have zoning laws etc. Our history - mirrored in the history of the English language - is for residential streets to contain a haphazard mixture of places of worship, pubs, schools, clubs, meat shops, police stations and electricity sub-stations. The fact that members of our community decided to open a Gurdwara where for hundreds of years pubs, cigarettes and meat have been sold does not give them the right to dicatate what they would like to be sold nearby.

If you guys don't have zoning laws, how do you expect for seperate places for Gurdwaras and a seperate place for other places.

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22 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If you guys don't have zoning laws, how do you expect for seperate places for Gurdwaras and a seperate place for other places.

UK is a very old country where towas and cities developed when horses and carriages were dominant on our roads. Towns grew in an organic way so they were not particularly well planned.

North America for the most part has towns and cities that built in a planned way with grids. It would make zoning laws far better organised. 

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Re; the '...Eastern European Latvian sexully assaulted and murdered Pardeep Kaur of Hayes Southall ' thread on the main page :

Vadims Ruskuls Evil Eastern European Latvian sexually assaulted and murdered pardeep kaur of hayes southall

Firstly, this is such a  heart-breaking news story. The details of what occurred and how they occurred have left me truly saddened for that family.

When you read the reports of what happened it is then difficult to say anything else but I really do feel it is important to point out how this sister of ours fatally went through this ordeal at a location where her screams could not be heard because it was a bridge under a busy motorway. A year ago that same location housed nearly a hundred 'Sikhs from Punjab'. We....both me and YOU went on a mission to get those 'homeless sikhs' away from there because it was shaming us. On this forum we 'discussed' the shame of the 'homeless sikhs of London'. The Sikh TV Channel saw what was discussed here and then went on a major campaign and had live broadcasts in which they threw toblerone chocolate bars among other things at them before parading them in accommodation for the cameras. The Southall Gurdwara then also got involved in partnership with the Border Agency and offered them trouble free flights back to Punjab.  The end result was that we here on this forum had achieved our objective of clearing the shame of having homeless Fresh of the boats living under that bridge in Hayes.

After we achieved our objective our sister walked to work under that motorway bridge. The newspapers say she was screaming for help. There was no-one there to hear.

 

 

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On 05/04/2017 at 11:03 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

If you guys don't have zoning laws, how do you expect for seperate places for Gurdwaras and a seperate place for other places.

unfortunately as I have seen in Leytonstone , there was a church then a house plot came up and a gurdwara was made , as tie went on the two got on well and no problems . Then the two corner shops opposite were bought by muslims and became a masjid and a halal shop . Now parking is a major issue and there is a kind of hostility towards sangat of the either of the older establishments.

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

unfortunately as I have seen in Leytonstone , there was a church then a house plot came up and a gurdwara was made , as tie went on the two got on well and no problems . Then the two corner shops opposite were bought by muslims and became a masjid and a halal shop . Now parking is a major issue and there is a kind of hostility towards sangat of the either of the older establishments.

Anyone can solve the Muslim problem easily, (through deportations), but how will you solve the issue these religious buildings being built in the same places as where porn in produced, where alcohol is made, or where night clubs are.

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2 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Anyone can solve the Muslim problem easily, (through deportations), but how will you solve the issue these religious buildings being built in the same places as where porn in produced, where alcohol is made, or where night clubs are.

truth is we are better off building gurdwarey in residental streets or in location which are not near shops/clubs ...

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1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Anyone can solve the Muslim problem easily, (through deportations)...

Yes, it's really that easy, isn't it? Just round them up and send them back. Job done.

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5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Yes, it's really that easy, isn't it? Just round them up and send them back. Job done.

however there could be control of madrasa and mosques being opened in homes, shops etc ...shops have purpose permissions decided by local councils , and educational institutions/childcare facilities need to pass regular inspections how ever I haven't seen such rules being followed anywhere. within walking distance of 1/4 mile there are three or more mosques , th.e density is ridiculous. There is a madrasa in an unlabelled shop on the main shopping parade near me , I've never seen anyone apart from students and young children coming out

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yeah only sikhs should be allowed in UK.Muslim should be deported lol  hypocrisy at best

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53 minutes ago, YOYO29 said:

yeah only sikhs should be allowed in UK.Muslim should be deported lol  hypocrisy at best

never said that , however planning laws being flaunted by them left right and centre...

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11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

never said that , however planning laws being flaunted by them left right and centre...

good to know and i agreed if you are coming to western country you should abide by their rules not try to change them according to your religion.It is insulting.

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On 4/8/2017 at 10:34 AM, jkvlondon said:

never said that , however planning laws being flaunted by them left right and centre...

Which laws specifically? If you're so sure that laws have been broken, then report it.

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On 04/04/2017 at 8:04 PM, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

Re; the 'TBH - What is happening to the Women' thread on the main page:

Genie said :

Two things here:

Firstly, how on earth do you compare perverted lustful male masturbation with something that half the population of the entire world does naturally every month as a way of preparing the body for pregnancy ? 

Secondly, what kind of a world do you live in which  female menstruation is seen as 'truly more perverse' than all the killing, destroying, stealing, cheating, drinking and drug-taking that the men get up to ?

Jagsaw, are you then saying that rupi kaur was right in posting her period stained underwear on instagram? 

If it's OK because it's something that half the world's population does ever month (your words), why don't you take a crap in your kucha and post that on instagram? That's something that the whole world, not half, does naturally and more regularly than one a month.

You <banned word filter activated>.

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On 08/04/2017 at 10:42 AM, jkvlondon said:

truth is we are better off building gurdwarey in residental streets or in location which are not near shops/clubs ...

jkvlondon, I'll reply to you in a moment but first let me address the following Yoyo29:

Brother (or sister) don't take anything said on this forum personal. When someone here says 'all muslims should be rounded up and deported' you should always ignore it and see it for what it is. Nothing more than a silly comment. Every forum on earth will always have the odd silly comment. You know it in no way represents we Sikhs and you should know that it has not gone unoticed on this forum how a Muslim like you has always conducted himself (or herself) with upmost decorum and respect.

Now, jkvlondon, I disagree that it is a great idea to have, and open even more, Gurdwaras in inner city residential streets when we know that our Sikh demographics are changing and those same residential streets will soon be majority eastern European and Muslim. If we do wht you say we're creating no issues, worries or problems for me, you or any other Sikh in the UK. What we're doing however, is blindly and ignorantly creating major problems for the next generation. We in this generation know full well that being a Sikh in the UK is changing. We know full well that places like Camberley in Surrey are increasingly becoming the next great Sikh centre of the UK in much the same way that Southall was beginning to become the next great Sikh centre back in the late 1950's when the east end Sikhs from Aldgate set up permanent roots there. We know this and yet we still want to build and keep our Gurdwaras in the places Sikhs used to live knowing full well that our children will have to deal with the problem of maintaining, keeping safe, selling and ultimately bulldozing those same places simply because there are no more Sikhs living there.

Now, I know you mentioned how it is easier for our bajurgs. I reject that argument. The Jews of the east end of London and Brooklyn New York went through a very similar set of circumstances a couple of generations ago. When the Jews had left those crime ridden inner city neighbourhoods they found that many jewish bajurgs didn't want to go because the local synangogues were nearby and they couldn't drive. This personal ideal of reality turned into a nightmare because those bajurgs left behind simply because they wanted to live within walking distance of the local synangogue became perpetual victims of crime in neighbourhoods that were no longer theirs and the synagogues died horrible lonely deaths.

This brings me to the reality of today. The subject of the initial Gurdwara of the news story was in Handsworth. Handsworth is known througout the world as one of the great centres of Yardie Jamaican culture. Handsworth is notorious throughout the world so I won't even attempt to explain how and why it is silly and futile to open more and more Gurdwaras there when Sikhs are progressing economically and moving to better areas, so I'll talk about that other area that houses a mulitude of Gurdwaras, Southall. My grandfather was one of the original Sikhs that moved to Southall in 1957 from the east end because Wolf's rubber factory gave employment to the Sikh men and the margarine factory gave employment to the women. Are any of those pioneering families still living in Southall ? No. Most moved out to Norwood Green and Osterley and now as they have progressed even further they've moved to the villages and small commuter belt towns in Surrey, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire with Camberley in Surrey as the epicentre. The Southall we left behind is full of a united nations of nationalities and religions but 'Sikhs' were very few of them until the Afghan Sikhs arrived in the 2000's and gave a Sikh presence again. So what will become of the Sikhs that remain in Southall and what will become of our Gurdwaras there that we have in abundance and build even more of them even though its a place we now only visit in order to do a bit of shopping on a weekend ?  The day to day reality is that it is a place that is now known as London's premier red light district, London's gambling capital with the most betting shops per area, London's drug capital with more (and cheaper) heroin and cocaine than area of London and now, with newsaper reports last week after someone did a freedom of information request, the area of London that have a 'residential street' in the UK with THE highest rate of crime in the whole of Great Britian.

This raises 2 questions:

1) Why would any Sikh want to raise his or her children in an area that is officially full of the worst influences ? and secondly,

2) Apart from the Gravesend and Leamington Spa Gurdwaras all of our Gurdwaras are in similar 'bad' neighbouhoods in the UK, so why is this a good idea ?

 

 

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On 13/04/2017 at 6:13 PM, Guest London jwaan said:

Jagsaw, are you then saying that rupi kaur was right in posting her period stained underwear on instagram? 

If it's OK because it's something that half the world's population does ever month (your words), why don't you take a crap in your kucha and post that on instagram? That's something that the whole world, not half, does naturally and more regularly than one a month.

You <banned word filter activated>.

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Guest London Jawaan Singh, Only Waheguru knows what you called me in that 'banned and filter activated' and only Waheguru knows of what happened in your family life rendering you incapable of conversing normally to people withouut profaities.

Leaving that aside, Yes. Yes I do support Rupi Kaur. What Rupi kaur did set the international internet ablaze,,,,it made people awaken and think. My view is that it echoed everything that Sikhi stands for. My Gurus said something against caste at a time when it was considered the epitome of disgusting behaviour to do so. My Gurus talked about the genesis of earth and mankind  (mool mantar) at a time when it was considered the height of heresy to do so. My Gurus talked about the environment and how we are destroying it (Sri Guru Har Rai sahib ji) hundreds of years before 'westerners' had even the slightest notion of it and given how it was maharaja ranjit singh;s grand-daughter who was at the forefront of the western women's suffragette rights in the early 1900s in London the answer is YES. Yes.... Given how the world wide international multi national multi ethnic multi racial world went ablaze with a sister simply photographing herself in the same way that my own sister found herself every month and yet a position that many men find justification for denying her entry to occupations and places of worship.  So yes. Of course I think Rupi Kaur was "right"..    Now state why you think she was wrong and this time try and do it without insults.

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18 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

jkvlondon, I'll reply to you in a moment but first let me address the following Yoyo29:

Brother (or sister) don't take anything said on this forum personal. When someone here says 'all muslims should be rounded up and deported' you should always ignore it and see it for what it is. Nothing more than a silly comment. Every forum on earth will always have the odd silly comment. You know it in no way represents we Sikhs and you should know that it has not gone unoticed on this forum how a Muslim like you has always conducted himself (or herself) with upmost decorum and respect.

Now, jkvlondon, I disagree that it is a great idea to have, and open even more, Gurdwaras in inner city residential streets when we know that our Sikh demographics are changing and those same residential streets will soon be majority eastern European and Muslim. If we do wht you say we're creating no issues, worries or problems for me, you or any other Sikh in the UK. What we're doing however, is blindly and ignorantly creating major problems for the next generation. We in this generation know full well that being a Sikh in the UK is changing. We know full well that places like Camberley in Surrey are increasingly becoming the next great Sikh centre of the UK in much the same way that Southall was beginning to become the next great Sikh centre back in the late 1950's when the east end Sikhs from Aldgate set up permanent roots there. We know this and yet we still want to build and keep our Gurdwaras in the places Sikhs used to live knowing full well that our children will have to deal with the problem of maintaining, keeping safe, selling and ultimately bulldozing those same places simply because there are no more Sikhs living there.

Now, I know you mentioned how it is easier for our bajurgs. I reject that argument. The Jews of the east end of London and Brooklyn New York went through a very similar set of circumstances a couple of generations ago. When the Jews had left those crime ridden inner city neighbourhoods they found that many jewish bajurgs didn't want to go because the local synangogues were nearby and they couldn't drive. This personal ideal of reality turned into a nightmare because those bajurgs left behind simply because they wanted to live within walking distance of the local synangogue became perpetual victims of crime in neighbourhoods that were no longer theirs and the synagogues died horrible lonely deaths.

This brings me to the reality of today. The subject of the initial Gurdwara of the news story was in Handsworth. Handsworth is known througout the world as one of the great centres of Yardie Jamaican culture. Handsworth is notorious throughout the world so I won't even attempt to explain how and why it is silly and futile to open more and more Gurdwaras there when Sikhs are progressing economically and moving to better areas, so I'll talk about that other area that houses a mulitude of Gurdwaras, Southall. My grandfather was one of the original Sikhs that moved to Southall in 1957 from the east end because Wolf's rubber factory gave employment to the Sikh men and the margarine factory gave employment to the women. Are any of those pioneering families still living in Southall ? No. Most moved out to Norwood Green and Osterley and now as they have progressed even further they've moved to the villages and small commuter belt towns in Surrey, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire with Camberley in Surrey as the epicentre. The Southall we left behind is full of a united nations of nationalities and religions but 'Sikhs' were very few of them until the Afghan Sikhs arrived in the 2000's and gave a Sikh presence again. So what will become of the Sikhs that remain in Southall and what will become of our Gurdwaras there that we have in abundance and build even more of them even though its a place we now only visit in order to do a bit of shopping on a weekend ?  The day to day reality is that it is a place that is now known as London's premier red light district, London's gambling capital with the most betting shops per area, London's drug capital with more (and cheaper) heroin and cocaine than area of London and now, with newsaper reports last week after someone did a freedom of information request, the area of London that have a 'residential street' in the UK with THE highest rate of crime in the whole of Great Britian.

This raises 2 questions:

1) Why would any Sikh want to raise his or her children in an area that is officially full of the worst influences ? and secondly,

2) Apart from the Gravesend and Leamington Spa Gurdwaras all of our Gurdwaras are in similar 'bad' neighbouhoods in the UK, so why is this a good idea ?

 

 

Camberley?  There aren't very many Sikhs in Camberley or in Surrey really.

South Bucks - around Gerrards X/Stoke Poges/Iver/Fulmer/Farnham Common/Stoke Poges . That is more the new central gravity for Sikhs.

Problem with the more affluent Sikhs in these leafy areas is that a lot of these guys do not want to have gurdwarae in these areas. They prefer to drive into the "inner-city " areas for their gurdwarae and all their Asian shopping whilst keeping the affluent areas they now reside in as gorafied as possible.

There is a Sikh school in Stoke Poges in South Bucks and the local villagers were against the school. You know who were some of the biggest objectors? Other Sikhs!

 

 

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19 hours ago, Guest Jagsaw_Singh said:

jkvlondon, I'll reply to you in a moment but first let me address the following Yoyo29:

Brother (or sister) don't take anything said on this forum personal. When someone here says 'all muslims should be rounded up and deported' you should always ignore it and see it for what it is. Nothing more than a silly comment. Every forum on earth will always have the odd silly comment. You know it in no way represents we Sikhs and you should know that it has not gone unoticed on this forum how a Muslim like you has always conducted himself (or herself) with upmost decorum and respect.

Now, jkvlondon, I disagree that it is a great idea to have, and open even more, Gurdwaras in inner city residential streets when we know that our Sikh demographics are changing and those same residential streets will soon be majority eastern European and Muslim. If we do wht you say we're creating no issues, worries or problems for me, you or any other Sikh in the UK. What we're doing however, is blindly and ignorantly creating major problems for the next generation. We in this generation know full well that being a Sikh in the UK is changing. We know full well that places like Camberley in Surrey are increasingly becoming the next great Sikh centre of the UK in much the same way that Southall was beginning to become the next great Sikh centre back in the late 1950's when the east end Sikhs from Aldgate set up permanent roots there. We know this and yet we still want to build and keep our Gurdwaras in the places Sikhs used to live knowing full well that our children will have to deal with the problem of maintaining, keeping safe, selling and ultimately bulldozing those same places simply because there are no more Sikhs living there.

Now, I know you mentioned how it is easier for our bajurgs. I reject that argument. The Jews of the east end of London and Brooklyn New York went through a very similar set of circumstances a couple of generations ago. When the Jews had left those crime ridden inner city neighbourhoods they found that many jewish bajurgs didn't want to go because the local synangogues were nearby and they couldn't drive. This personal ideal of reality turned into a nightmare because those bajurgs left behind simply because they wanted to live within walking distance of the local synangogue became perpetual victims of crime in neighbourhoods that were no longer theirs and the synagogues died horrible lonely deaths.

This brings me to the reality of today. The subject of the initial Gurdwara of the news story was in Handsworth. Handsworth is known througout the world as one of the great centres of Yardie Jamaican culture. Handsworth is notorious throughout the world so I won't even attempt to explain how and why it is silly and futile to open more and more Gurdwaras there when Sikhs are progressing economically and moving to better areas, so I'll talk about that other area that houses a mulitude of Gurdwaras, Southall. My grandfather was one of the original Sikhs that moved to Southall in 1957 from the east end because Wolf's rubber factory gave employment to the Sikh men and the margarine factory gave employment to the women. Are any of those pioneering families still living in Southall ? No. Most moved out to Norwood Green and Osterley and now as they have progressed even further they've moved to the villages and small commuter belt towns in Surrey, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire with Camberley in Surrey as the epicentre. The Southall we left behind is full of a united nations of nationalities and religions but 'Sikhs' were very few of them until the Afghan Sikhs arrived in the 2000's and gave a Sikh presence again. So what will become of the Sikhs that remain in Southall and what will become of our Gurdwaras there that we have in abundance and build even more of them even though its a place we now only visit in order to do a bit of shopping on a weekend ?  The day to day reality is that it is a place that is now known as London's premier red light district, London's gambling capital with the most betting shops per area, London's drug capital with more (and cheaper) heroin and cocaine than area of London and now, with newsaper reports last week after someone did a freedom of information request, the area of London that have a 'residential street' in the UK with THE highest rate of crime in the whole of Great Britian.

This raises 2 questions:

1) Why would any Sikh want to raise his or her children in an area that is officially full of the worst influences ? and secondly,

2) Apart from the Gravesend and Leamington Spa Gurdwaras all of our Gurdwaras are in similar 'bad' neighbouhoods in the UK, so why is this a good idea ?

 

 

as you know where we tread the other guys come and poison the water so to speak , does this mean we keep running or do we settle somewhere and actually create a presence . there are more of them than there are of us so where would you suggest ? Yes we moved to the 'burbs but so did they after selling their shitty council flats ...

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12 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

as you know where we tread the other guys come and poison the water so to speak , does this mean we keep running or do we settle somewhere and actually create a presence . there are more of them than there are of us so where would you suggest ? Yes we moved to the 'burbs but so did they after selling their shitty council flats ...

Well the Sikhs may need to pick up some Jewish habits where if one Jew sells his home in a neighbourhood, the other Jews all chip in and purchase the house and sell to another Jew.

But we don't operate in that manner. 

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6 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Well the Sikhs may need to pick up some Jewish habits where if one Jew sells his home in a neighbourhood, the other Jews all chip in and purchase the house and sell to another Jew.

But we don't operate in that manner. 

c'mon they don't want to give business to their brothers  like Guru ji suggested (to help each other and to do aathabar) buying houses is a far off thing ...wish it wasn't , we could move those in rough neighbourhoods out , setting up training places etc.

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6 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

apparently I'm not the only one to observe the mysterious mushrooming of parallel 'educational' places for muslims :

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/islamic-kindergartens-vienna-s-muslim-preschools-cause-a-stir-in-austria/story-oVNNlceakLKR4iNAf9NvnI.html

You're being prejudiced. Everything is fine. It's scaremongering. They'll be productive, tolerant members of society who certainly won't isolate themselves in their various enclaves, breeding every other minority into insignificance. Let them be.  

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Just now, MisterrSingh said:

You're being prejudiced. Everything is fine. It's scaremongering. They'll be productive, tolerant members of society who certainly won't isolate themselves in their various enclaves, breeding every other minority into insignificance. Let them be.  

:rofl ok whatever

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