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On 2017-03-29 at 4:07 PM, Akalifauj said:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/a-driver-not-to-mess-with-siberias-strongest-woman-gets-road-rage-after-man-cuts-in-front-of-her/ar-BBz0mmL?li=AAggFp5&ocid=UE12DHP

@Mahakaal96  I found a woman that you need to tell to her face, she can't be part of your women hating army.  Let's see how much of a man you are, little boy.

She is not a woman  /s

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5 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

You served in a worldy man made army that is part of Kalyugs machinery.... congratulations to you.

I am happy to serve & learn in Akal Purekhs amry... where we are taught bhagti first & then the cultivation & use of Akal Shakti.

Akal Purekhs army serves dharam.... the army you served in serves kalyug & adharam.

Akal Purkh's army had woman in it. Still does. You serve Kalyug, so does Satkiran. Your own rehit calls Guru Sahib's Mehal's as being the embodiment of Deceit.

 

The protagonist in a bani all NIhangs read daily is a woman. Are you going to argue she's a weak woman? I would love to see you tussle with Durga. I wonder how that would end. Akal Purkh's army serves dharam and the world. I have no idea which faction you belong to considering you seem to revel in Sant Nindya and consider yourself the lord and master of woman.

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13 minutes ago, Kira said:

Akal Purkh's army had woman in it. Still does. You serve Kalyug, so does Satkiran. Your own rehit calls Guru Sahib's Mehal's as being the embodiment of Deceit.

 

The protagonist in a bani all NIhangs read daily is a woman. Are you going to argue she's a weak woman? I would love to see you tussle with Durga. I wonder how that would end. Akal Purkh's army serves dharam and the world. I have no idea which faction you belong to considering you seem to revel in Sant Nindya and consider yourself the lord and master of woman.

In Satyug when Mata Durga was fighting rakatbheej & the other demons Mata Durga exhausted from battle fled into the mountains. There she came across Rishi Samund ( Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji). Recognising Rishi Samund as the embodiment of the Lord Mata Durga pleaded for help in defeating the demons... Rishi Samund hearing her plea answered her ardas by commanding Rishi Dusht Daman (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) to reveal himself. Rishi Dusht Daman with folded hands asked what his orders were from Rishi Samund... Rishi Samund then commanded Dusht Daman to destroy all the demons. On hearing this Dusht Daman removed his khal (tiger skin) from around his body & upon shaking it 96 crore tigers appeared... that's why the Khalsa are known as Khal-se ( born from tiger skin). They went into the battlefield led by Dusht Daman & destroyed the demons.

Your correct when you say a protagonist in a Bani nihangs read is a woman... but we recognise her as the sargun saroop of Adh Shakti & respect her as such. we do not worship her as or regard her as Parmeshvar himself.... Mata Durga sought the help of Rishi Samund (Guru Tegh Bahadur) & Rishi Dusht Daman (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) who were the sargun saroop of Akal Purekh.

 

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6 minutes ago, Mahakaal96 said:

In Satyug when Mata Durga was fighting rakatbheej & the other demons Mata Durga exhausted from battle fled into the mountains. There she came across Rishi Samund ( Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji). Recognising Rishi Samund as the embodiment of the Lord Mata Durga pleaded for help in defeating the demons... Rishi Samund hearing her plea answered her ardas by commanding Rishi Dusht Daman (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) to reveal himself. Rishi Dusht Daman with folded hands asked what his orders were from Rishi Samund... Rishi Samund then commanded Dusht Daman to destroy all the demons. On hearing this Dusht Daman removed his khal (tiger skin) from around his body & upon shaking it 96 crore tigers appeared... that's why the Khalsa are known as Khal-se ( born from tiger skin). They went into the battlefield led by Dusht Daman & destroyed the demons.

Your correct when you say a protagonist in a Bani nihangs read is a woman... but we recognise her as the sargun saroop of Adh Shakti & respect her as such. we do not worship her as or regard her as Parmeshvar himself.... Mata Durga sought the help of Rishi Samund (Guru Tegh Bahadur) & Rishi Dusht Daman (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) who were the sargun saroop of Akal Purekh.

 

Really? Because last time I read Chandi Di Vaar she didn't retreat.  Nope, not in Chandi Charitar too. Please point me to the Gurbani where it says that She ran from Rakatbheej because all the accounts I've come across in Dasam Granth say she slew him along with all the other various demons. Nice try. 

Dusht Daman incident is something completely different.  

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40 minutes ago, Kira said:

Really? Because last time I read Chandi Di Vaar she didn't retreat.  Nope, not in Chandi Charitar too. Please point me to the Gurbani where it says that She ran from Rakatbheej because all the accounts I've come across in Dasam Granth say she slew him along with all the other various demons. Nice try. 

Dusht Daman incident is something completely different.  

In Sri Dasam Granth mahraj says in several places that for the sake of not allowing this Granth to become to voluminous I will say what needs to be said in a summaried way. 

The background to the battle between Chandi Mata & the demons & the connection to Rishi Samund & Rishi Dusht Daman is told in Sri Suraj Prakash Granth.

 

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17 minutes ago, Mahakaal96 said:

In Sri Dasam Granth mahraj says in several places that for the sake of not allowing this Granth to become to voluminous I will say what needs to be said in a summaried way. 

The background to the battle between Chandi Mata & the demons & the connection to Rishi Samund & Rishi Dusht Daman is told in Sri Suraj Prakash Granth.

 

He left in important facts, omitted mundane details. Yeah I'm pretty sure Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji was suddenly a mundane detail.

Durga's battle with Raktbheej happened in Treta Yug, not Satyug. Rakatbheej was killed completely by Durga, as were the other demon. The Dusht Danam incident happened in Satyug. Please stop lumping them together. Durga killed Rakatbheej (or coordinated with Kali to do it) alone, period. Dasam Granth says that. 

 

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji explains that Dusht Danam is completely different than perceived. He was both a monarch and a Tapisi. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Kira said:

He left in important facts, omitted mundane details. Yeah I'm pretty sure Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji was suddenly a mundane detail.

Durga's battle with Raktbheej happened in Treta Yug, not Satyug. Rakatbheej was killed completely by Durga, as were the other demon. The Dusht Danam incident happened in Satyug. Please stop lumping them together. Durga killed Rakatbheej (or coordinated with Kali to do it) alone, period. Dasam Granth says that. 

There's 2 names... rakatbheej & swarnatbheej... they both had the same ability... from drops of their blood another form of theirs appeared. Chandi Di vaar  the battle was with Swarnatbheej. Some say that rakatbheej & swarnatbheej was the same demon but some say they were 2 seperate demons. The battle between Mata Durga & these demons lasted for thousands of years... but the time of Devi Devte is not the same as time on Earth.

In Dasam Granth Mahraj touches briefly on their time on Hemkunt Sahib but never mention 'Dusht Daman' name. According to your logic this must have been because Dusht Daman history is mundane (facepalm)

Read Chandi Di vaar carefully & you will realise that Mata Durga had an army of Nihangs fighting along side her.

Certain Bani mahraj wrote just for the purpose of Bir Ras & nothing else... Nihangs & other puratan sampardas know this & know why... you are free to believe what you want & call it 'mundane'.

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31 minutes ago, Kira said:

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji explains that Dusht Danam is completely different than perceived. He was both a monarch and a Tapisi.

There's no difference in perception... only for you there is because you don't know the complete history..... Sant Ji & some of us do.

Before appearing on  hemkunt Rishi Dusht Daman was a king who's kingdom was where Hazur Sahib is now. Dusht Daman gave up his kingdom & began to do tappasya next to Godavari river/jungle. When Rishi Samund did ardas at hemkunt Sahib for the assistance of Mata Durga it was then that Dusht Daman answered that ardas & appeared at hemkunt Sahib.

The whole sakhi & background is huge... Sri Suraj Prakash gives much more detailed account as does local history & knowledge around Hazur Sahib 

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Just now, Mahakaal96 said:

There's 2 names... rakatbheej & swarnatbheej... they both had the same ability... from drops of their blood another form of theirs appeared. Chandi Di // the battle was with Swarnatbheej. Some say that rakatbheej & swarnatbheej was the same demon but some say they were 2 seperate demons. The battle between Mata Durga & these demons lasted for thousands of years... but the time of Devi Devte is not the same as time on Earth.

Mahraj touches briefly on their time on Hemkunt Sahib but never mention 'Dusht Daman' name. 

Read Chandi Di // carefully & you will realise that Mata Durga had an army of Nihangs fighting along side her.

Certain Bani mahraj wrote just for the purpose of Bir Ras & nothing else... Nihangs & other puratan sampardas know this & know why... you are free to believe what you want & call it 'mundane'.

And again. Read Chandi Charitar, the demon there is Rakatbheej. Durga kills him, once again the army with Durga was Devtas not "Nihangs".Your source is nothing more than a granth written in the 19th century, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji already explained who Dusht Daman was. The battle occurs in Tretayug, not Satyug, your time lines don't match up, how could a war that started in Tretayug, finish in the era of Satyug, considering Tretayug comes after Satyug. You're linking events to try aand discredit Durga's victory now.

Do you want the Gurbani as well? Go read Chandi Charitar, then tell me it was Dusht Daman who killed Rakatjbheej. I'll save you the trouble.

 

Chandi Charitar Bilas

ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥
ਜੁੱਧ ਰਕਤ੍ਰ ਬੀਜ ਕਰਿਯੋ ਧਰਨੀ ਪਰ ਯੌ ਸੁਰ ਦੇਖਤ ਸਾਰੇ ॥
ਜੇਤਕ ਸ੍ਰੌਨ ਕੀ ਬੂੰਦ ਗਿਰੈ ਉਠਿ ਤੇਤਕ ਰੂਪ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਧਾਰੇ ॥
ਜੋਗਨਿ ਆਨ ਫਿਰੀ ਚਹੂੰ ਓਰ ਤੇ ਸੀਸ ਜਟਾ ਕਰ ਖੱਪਰ ਭਾਰੇ ॥
ਸ੍ਰੌਨਤ ਬੂੰਦ ਪਰੈ ਅਚਵੈ ਸਭ ਖੱਗ ਲੈ ਚੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥੧੭੦॥
ਕਾਲੀ ਅਉ ਚੰਡ ਕੁਵੰਡ ਸੰਭਾਰ ਕੈ ਦੈਤ ਸੋ ਜੁੱਧ ਨਿਸੰਗ ਸਜਿਓ ਹੈ ॥
ਮਾਰ ਮਹਾਂ ਰਨ ਮੱਧ ਭਈ ਪਹਰੇਕ ਲਉ ਸਾਰ ਸੋ ਸਾਰ ਬਜਿਓ ਹੈ ॥
ਸ੍ਰਉਨਤ ਬਿੰਦ ਗਿਰਿਓ ਧਰਨੀ ਪਰ ਇਉ ਅਸਿ ਸੋ ਅਰ ਸੀਸ ਭਜਿਓ ਹੈ ॥
ਮਾਨੋ ਅਤੀਤ ਕਰਿਓ ਚਿਤ ਕੋ ਧਨਵੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਨਿਜ ਮਾਲ ਤਜਿਓ ਹੈ ॥੧੭੧॥
ਸੋਰਠਾ ॥
ਚੰਡੀ ਦਇਓ ਬਿਦਾਰ ਸ੍ਰਉਨ ਪਾਨ ਕਾਲੀ ਕਰਿਓ ॥
ਛਿਨ ਮੈ ਡਾਰਿਓ ਮਾਰ ਸ੍ਰਉਨਤ ਬਿੰਦ ਦਾਨਵ ਮਹਾਂ ॥੧੭੨॥

 

Chandi Charitar Ustat
 

ਨਰਾਜ ਛੰਦ ॥
ਜਿਤੇਕ ਰੂਪ ਧਾਰੀਯੰ ॥ ਤਿਤੇਕ ਦੇਬਿ ਮਾਰੀਯੰ ॥
ਜਿਤੇਕ ਰੂਪ ਧਾਰ ਹੀਂ ॥ ਤਿਤਿਓ ਦ੍ਰੁਗਾ ਸੰਘਾਰ ਹੀਂ ॥੪੨॥੧੧੯॥
ਜਿਤੇਕ ਸਸਤ੍ਰ ਵਾ ਝਰੇ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਵਾਹ ਸ੍ਰੋਨ ਕੇ ਪਰੇ ॥
ਜਿਤੀਕਿ ਬਿੰਦੁਕਾ ਗਿਰੈਂ ॥ ਸੁ ਪਾਨ ਕਾਲਿਕਾ ਕਰੈਂ ॥੪੩॥੧੨੦॥
 

ਰਸਾਵਲ ਛੰਦ ॥

ਹੂਓ ਸ੍ਰੋਣ ਹੀਨੰ ॥ ਭਯੋ ਅੰਗ ਛੀਨੰ ॥
ਗਿਰਿਓ ਅੰਤ ਝੂਮੰ ॥ ਮਨੋ ਮੋਘ ਭੂਮੰ ॥੪੪॥੧੨੧॥
ਸਭੈ ਦੇਵ ਹਰਖੇ ॥ ਸੁਮਨ ਧਾਰ ਬਰਖੇ ॥
ਰਕਤ ਬਿੰਦ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਸਬੈ ਸੰਤ ਉਬਾਰੇ ॥੪੫॥੧੨੨॥
ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕੇ ਚੰਡੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੇ ਰਕਤ ਬੀਰਜ ਬਧਹ ਚਤੁਰਥ ਧਿਆਇ ਸੰਪੂਰਣ ਮਸਤੁ ਸੁਭ ਮਸਤੁ ॥੪ ॥ ਅਫਜੂ ॥

 

4 minutes ago, Mahakaal96 said:

There's no difference in perception... only for you there is because you don't know the complete history..... Sant Ji & some of us do.

Before appearing on  hemkunt Rishi Dusht Daman was a king who's kingdom was where Hazur Sahib is now. Dusht Daman gave up his kingdom & began to do tappasya next to Godavari river/jungle. When Rishi Samund did ardas at hemkunt Sahib for the assistance of Mata Durga it was then that Dusht Daman answered that ardas & appeared at hemkunt Sahib.

The whole sakhi & background is huge... Sri Suraj Prakash gives much more detailed account as does local history & knowledge around Hazur Sahib 

No one's denying that Durga was saved IN Satyug by Dusht Daman. You're the one trying to link 2 completely different events to diminish her battle feats.

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25 minutes ago, Kira said:

And again. Read Chandi Charitar, the demon there is Rakatbheej. Durga kills him, once again the army with Durga was Devtas not "Nihangs".Your source is nothing more than a granth written in the 19th century, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji already explained who Dusht Daman was. The battle occurs in Tretayug, not Satyug, your time lines don't match up, how could a war that started in Tretayug, finish in the era of Satyug, considering Tretayug comes after Satyug. You're linking events to try aand discredit Durga's victory now.

Do you want the Gurbani as well? Go read Chandi Charitar, then tell me it was Dusht Daman who killed Rakatjbheej. I'll save you the trouble.

 

Chandi Charitar Bilas

ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥
ਜੁੱਧ ਰਕਤ੍ਰ ਬੀਜ ਕਰਿਯੋ ਧਰਨੀ ਪਰ ਯੌ ਸੁਰ ਦੇਖਤ ਸਾਰੇ ॥
ਜੇਤਕ ਸ੍ਰੌਨ ਕੀ ਬੂੰਦ ਗਿਰੈ ਉਠਿ ਤੇਤਕ ਰੂਪ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਧਾਰੇ ॥
ਜੋਗਨਿ ਆਨ ਫਿਰੀ ਚਹੂੰ ਓਰ ਤੇ ਸੀਸ ਜਟਾ ਕਰ ਖੱਪਰ ਭਾਰੇ ॥
ਸ੍ਰੌਨਤ ਬੂੰਦ ਪਰੈ ਅਚਵੈ ਸਭ ਖੱਗ ਲੈ ਚੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥੧੭੦॥
ਕਾਲੀ ਅਉ ਚੰਡ ਕੁਵੰਡ ਸੰਭਾਰ ਕੈ ਦੈਤ ਸੋ ਜੁੱਧ ਨਿਸੰਗ ਸਜਿਓ ਹੈ ॥
ਮਾਰ ਮਹਾਂ ਰਨ ਮੱਧ ਭਈ ਪਹਰੇਕ ਲਉ ਸਾਰ ਸੋ ਸਾਰ ਬਜਿਓ ਹੈ ॥
ਸ੍ਰਉਨਤ ਬਿੰਦ ਗਿਰਿਓ ਧਰਨੀ ਪਰ ਇਉ ਅਸਿ ਸੋ ਅਰ ਸੀਸ ਭਜਿਓ ਹੈ ॥
ਮਾਨੋ ਅਤੀਤ ਕਰਿਓ ਚਿਤ ਕੋ ਧਨਵੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਨਿਜ ਮਾਲ ਤਜਿਓ ਹੈ ॥੧੭੧॥
ਸੋਰਠਾ ॥
ਚੰਡੀ ਦਇਓ ਬਿਦਾਰ ਸ੍ਰਉਨ ਪਾਨ ਕਾਲੀ ਕਰਿਓ ॥
ਛਿਨ ਮੈ ਡਾਰਿਓ ਮਾਰ ਸ੍ਰਉਨਤ ਬਿੰਦ ਦਾਨਵ ਮਹਾਂ ॥੧੭੨॥

 

Chandi Charitar Ustat
 

ਨਰਾਜ ਛੰਦ ॥
ਜਿਤੇਕ ਰੂਪ ਧਾਰੀਯੰ ॥ ਤਿਤੇਕ ਦੇਬਿ ਮਾਰੀਯੰ ॥
ਜਿਤੇਕ ਰੂਪ ਧਾਰ ਹੀਂ ॥ ਤਿਤਿਓ ਦ੍ਰੁਗਾ ਸੰਘਾਰ ਹੀਂ ॥੪੨॥੧੧੯॥
ਜਿਤੇਕ ਸਸਤ੍ਰ ਵਾ ਝਰੇ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਵਾਹ ਸ੍ਰੋਨ ਕੇ ਪਰੇ ॥
ਜਿਤੀਕਿ ਬਿੰਦੁਕਾ ਗਿਰੈਂ ॥ ਸੁ ਪਾਨ ਕਾਲਿਕਾ ਕਰੈਂ ॥੪੩॥੧੨੦॥
 

ਰਸਾਵਲ ਛੰਦ ॥

ਹੂਓ ਸ੍ਰੋਣ ਹੀਨੰ ॥ ਭਯੋ ਅੰਗ ਛੀਨੰ ॥
ਗਿਰਿਓ ਅੰਤ ਝੂਮੰ ॥ ਮਨੋ ਮੋਘ ਭੂਮੰ ॥੪੪॥੧੨੧॥
ਸਭੈ ਦੇਵ ਹਰਖੇ ॥ ਸੁਮਨ ਧਾਰ ਬਰਖੇ ॥
ਰਕਤ ਬਿੰਦ ਮਾਰੇ ॥ ਸਬੈ ਸੰਤ ਉਬਾਰੇ ॥੪੫॥੧੨੨॥
ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕੇ ਚੰਡੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੇ ਰਕਤ ਬੀਰਜ ਬਧਹ ਚਤੁਰਥ ਧਿਆਇ ਸੰਪੂਰਣ ਮਸਤੁ ਸੁਭ ਮਸਤੁ ॥੪ ॥ ਅਫਜੂ ॥

 

No one's denying that Durga was saved IN Satyug by Dusht Daman. You're the one trying to link 2 completely different events to diminish her battle feats.

No ones saying it started in treta & finished in satyug (although this is possible as a mahajug includes the 4 yug cycle completing & restarting 9 times continuously). It is possible the battle started at some time in Satyug.. went on for thousands of years & finished in Tretayug... but Devi Devte timescales are not the same as Earth realm timescale. 

Read chandi Di vaar... the demon is swarnatbheej.

So you have no problem in accepting history of Dusht Daman even though mahraj doesn't mention Dusht Daman in Dasam Granth... but you believe the history because Sant Ji talks about it..... he talks about it based on Sri Suraj Prakash Granth.... the same Granth that says Mata Durga fled the battlefield from Rakatbheej & sought help of Rishi Samund who in turn sent Rishi Dusht Daman & 96 crore Singhs to fight against the demons (hence why Chandi Di vaar mentions an army of nihangs). Mata also fought alongside the 96 crore Singhs & then killed the demons she was unable to kill earlier.

Yes my source is nothing more than a Granth written in the 19th century as you said, but it's the same Granth Sant Ji is basing his katha on in that video you posted above. The history of 'Dusht Daman' is in Sri Suraj Prakash Granth'.

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