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Sangat please help me with this problem i am having. I am from the UK, and my family is sikh. Although i do not believe in caste because i follow sikhi, my family is chamar. 

I met a girl while studying at university and we became friends, however this accidentally blossomed into love without meaning for it to.

She is also sikh, but her family is Jatt, and they are very casteist. Although she herself does not believe in caste because she also tries to follow sikhi, her family believe in it strongly.

Now we all know here that there is no jaat paat in Sikhi, is there a way to convince her family? I have met them before just as her friend and they assumed i am Jatt because they think I look like one.

My and my family do not fall into any stereotypes they may have about lower castes for example: we are all fair skinned, we follow pure sikhi, we are relatively well off etc. I am very well educated, i have a good job and i get told that i am a very good natured and caring person.

Another issue i have is her parents have said that she can marry a Jatt or a Tarkhan but not a Chamar. Surely marrying out of caste to any different caste should be treated the same.

Please help with how to resolve this, and give me any advice you can. Thank you

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This is a tricky one, as the older generation still have the caste rules and apply them to marriage. 

You are right that there is no jaat paat in Sikhi. You seem to be okay from your family's side that they support your view of not supporting caste. However your female friend is not, as her family have already given her a set of rules to abide by. It seems like they've said she can choose her own marriage partner, but as long as he is of so and so castes. This is quite silly, as then they are not following Sikhi, but applying their own rules. 

From what you have described about yourself and your family, sounds like they will not have to worry about their daughter being married off to somebody that is only marrying her for materialistic reasons. So that's one positive point. The next point is how much faith they have in their daughter that she hasn't chosen a wrong guy. It all depends on the relationship she has with her parents that they will be willing to give their blessings. Although she has does everything as correctly as she can, chosen somebody that believes in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji (I'm assuming you do follow them and go to a Gurdwara which has Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji in it?) and not let caste be an issue, the problem lies in their set of rules that they laid out to her. 

The thing is nobody can tell you what the best way to convince them is in case it backfires and makes them angry. Are there any elders that know both sides of the family, that could talk to them? Sorry, that's the only thing I can think of that will help develop trust in you. Trust is what needs to be present within both families to accept each other and that both follow Sikhi. 

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I know this sounds impractical, but either you elope with her and get married anyway without her parents approval; or you completely cut this relationship off, and consider it a bad effort on everyone's part. If I would have any problem with Chamars, it's that I'd assume they are Ravidassia, but since your Sikh I'd assume your ok, (honestly you don't sound like it, since no Sikh calls themselves Chamar and that group calls themselves among Sikh populations as Ramdassia, followers of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Ram Das Ji). So either you elope secretly and tell everyone about the wedding later or you just let it go. They won't accept you as a Rishta unless you forced them to accept you so it's your choice, people won't change magically like movies and tv shows where one prachar and somehow you changed their life so much that the only one who could preach better than yourself was Guru Sahib himself, sorry but life doesn't work that way. I'm just telling you straight-up, this will not be any easy decision for either of you.

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Thank you for your replies. I'd just like to reiterate that I am sikh, we go to a gurdwara with the sri Guru Granth Sahib, We follow pure Sikhi as written is gurbani. I don't believe in caste, and people do not usually ask me hence why I said chamar as im not very knowledgeable on the matter.

Eloping would not be an option as I believe its disrespectful to both sides of parents. Unfortunately there is no one that we know of that knows both families. I considered taking to the panj piyare of the gurdwara but decided against it as I have never heard of them getting involved with these matters.

I have decided to place this into Mahraj's hands, if this is meant to be he will listen to my ardaas and let it happen. If it is in my kismet to marry her, then only mahraj can convince them.

I have met her parents a few times as one of her friends and I have been told that her mother actually suggested me for marriage not realising that I am of a different caste. I think next time if her mother says the same ill tell her to say I am of a different caste and see what her response is.

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14 hours ago, Guest Gurvir101 said:

Thank you for your replies. I'd just like to reiterate that I am sikh, we go to a gurdwara with the sri Guru Granth Sahib, We follow pure Sikhi as written is gurbani. I don't believe in caste, and people do not usually ask me hence why I said chamar as im not very knowledgeable on the matter.

Eloping would not be an option as I believe its disrespectful to both sides of parents. Unfortunately there is no one that we know of that knows both families. I considered taking to the panj piyare of the gurdwara but decided against it as I have never heard of them getting involved with these matters.

I have decided to place this into Mahraj's hands, if this is meant to be he will listen to my ardaas and let it happen. If it is in my kismet to marry her, then only mahraj can convince them.

I have met her parents a few times as one of her friends and I have been told that her mother actually suggested me for marriage not realising that I am of a different caste. I think next time if her mother says the same ill tell her to say I am of a different caste and see what her response is.

If you aren't willing to elope; just let it go: this is not some Bollywood movie where if you partner really shows affection towards you that somehow the parents change in the end: this is reality, you either take big steps and move forward; or you give-up and pretend like all this never happened. Also how are you going to lie about your caste since you already told them you were Chamar. Read-up on some other topics relating to inter-caste stories like yours and you'll realize it's the high-way or the no-way.

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Hope it works out for you guys...but I see major family problems in future for you guys.

 

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Gurvir Singh bro - Sikhi repudiates and condemns the caste system.

You do not believe in it. Your future wife does not believe in it.

Respect to you and her both that you are trying to win the blessing of her parents. That ought to be forthcoming in time. Don't give up. Since you don't believe in the Hindu+Muslim caste system there is no need to pidgeonhole yourself by stating that you belong to this biraderi or the other.

Just state that you believe in GurSikh principles - kul nash - rejection of castes.

No so-called Sikh on this planet should have the himmat to reject a good honest son-in-law or daughter-in-law on the basis of their family heritage.

All Sikhs bow down to Shabad Guru and the sacred Gurbani of Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj - the highest of the high - so it is utterly unthinkable for a good human being to be rejected by honest Sikhs.

Should her parents not be willing - let's be clear that they are thus not Sikh by heart and you and your future wife should marry and live independently as you are better off without the negativity of people who fail to see the whole human race as one (as Sikhi and Guru Sahib state).

Remember Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji led the entire Sikh Khalsa Fauj. The Muslims taunted the Sikhs that our Qaum was led into battle by a Chamar. And the same thing happened in 1947. The Muslim Jatts, Rajputs, Syeds, Khatri Sheikhs and Brahmin Butts all despised Sikhs for being in their eyes being over represented by "chooreh chamar" but it was the fact that Sikhs of all backgrounds fought unitedly that saved Amritsar, Jalandhar, Ludhiana from being annexed by Pakistan (as the Muslims achieved in part of Kashmir). Ironic how Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji (as a so-called choorah in Muslim+Hindu perceptions) showed unmatchable bravery that none of the high caste Muslims like Aurangzeb could ever match.

Keep strong bro and please both of you get married. Don't let falsehoods and anti-Sikh beliefs destroy a sincere connection that the two of you have. Don't let any fears derail you from the path which you know is the Truth.

Wish you all the very best

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Brother,  here is my suggestion

first if both of u r amritdharis, then u shud not give anyone preference but only Guru Gobind Singh jee, right

If u r amritdhari, means u have already given ur head to guru ji, right

means u will listen to only guru ji

and guru jis khalsa is casteless 

so anyone who don't follow gurujis order is not a "sikh" and u must not try to request them

 

my meaning is if ur parents are ready then they shud be mist welcomed 

if they go for jatt and chamars this strictly means ur parents are not "sikhs" and they are strictly "rejecting Guru jis hukam"

so better to say Goodbye to such parents

only Guruji is true, mom dad and parents etc are just for few years.

thanks

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8 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If you aren't willing to elope; just let it go: this is not some Bollywood movie where if you partner really shows affection towards you that somehow the parents change in the end: this is reality, you either take big steps and move forward; or you give-up and pretend like all this never happened. Also how are you going to lie about your caste since you already told them you were Chamar. Read-up on some other topics relating to inter-caste stories like yours and you'll realize it's the high-way or the no-way.

@Jacfsing2 forgive me I wasn't clear, I did not mean lie about my caste. I meant I would tell her parents that I am a different caste to them. Only she knows my caste, her parents do not know.

I will read up on some other topics in hope they will help. 

@simran345 thank you for linking the basics of sikhi videos, they are a good resource, I use them quite often. I enjoy listening to the naam simran done for their introduction.

It is fustrating because it goes directly against Guru jis teachings. I think the world would be better if more of us took amrit and actually read and followed gurbani.

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Here is another video relating to this topic.

Wish you the best, brother.

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Thank you brothers and sisters for your help. I appreciate having such a wise and caring sangat to give me support in this situation. 

I am currently working up the courage to talk to my parents about the situation. My parents do not believe in the caste system but they will not want the girl to abandon her family and break a household. 

I believe we will visit her family and see if any talking can convince them. Maybe if she strongly enforces that she wants to marry me her family will come round.

I will keep you updated, and i'll include you all in my prayers thanking you for your help.

 

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1 hour ago, gurvir101 said:

Thank you brothers and sisters for your help. I appreciate having such a wise and caring sangat to give me support in this situation. 

I am currently working up the courage to talk to my parents about the situation. My parents do not believe in the caste system but they will not want the girl to abandon her family and break a household. 

I believe we will visit her family and see if any talking can convince them. Maybe if she strongly enforces that she wants to marry me her family will come round.

I will keep you updated, and i'll include you all in my prayers thanking you for your help.

You could mess with them and tell them you're the highest caste of Brahmin, (it doesn't really mean anything these days), and after you are married you could admit to being Chamar.

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Jacfsing2 bro, our brother Gurvir Singh is a GurSikh in soch+spirit.

Hence him and his cool parents should state nothing other.

Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji already proved to our Qaum along with countless other great Shaheeds that actions make us high or low rather than allegiance to false Hindu+Muslim bidaderi's.

Nawaz Sharif the Prime Minister of Pakistan is from the Brahmin caste as are most Kashmiri Muslim terrorists so I hardly think it will help Gurvir Singh to say that.

As for Jatts 80% of them are Muslim+Hindu just like Liaquat Ali Khan the first Prime Minister of Pakistan and Sajjan Kumar the famous killer of Sikhs in 1984.

 

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On 01/04/2017 at 1:19 AM, Jacfsing2 said:

You could mess with them and tell them you're the highest caste of Brahmin, (it doesn't really mean anything these days), and after you are married you could admit to being Chamar.

I wouldn't want to lie to them, it does not set a good tone for the relationship! But that is a funny thought.

There are too many conflicted sikhs in the world, they are almost more punjabi than sikh. Castes is a punjabi thing not a sikh thing and people need to recognise the difference and affiliate themselves with sikhi rather than punjabi traditions.

In my opinion, within the next 2/3 generations i see the caste system dissolving as the youth become more educated and see the hypocrisy of being sikh and believing in castes. I see it a lot with my generation so hopefully it continues.

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8 minutes ago, gurvir101 said:

I wouldn't want to lie to them, it does not set a good tone for the relationship! But that is a funny thought.

There are too many conflicted sikhs in the world, they are almost more punjabi than sikh. Castes is a punjabi thing not a sikh thing and people need to recognise the difference and affiliate themselves with sikhi rather than punjabi traditions.

In my opinion, within the next 2/3 generations i see the caste system dissolving as the youth become more educated and see the hypocrisy of being sikh and believing in castes. I see it a lot with my generation so hopefully it continues.

According to Gurmat you wouldn't be lying: "

<> siqgur pRswid ] (1127-18)
ik-oaNkaar satgur parsaad.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

jwiq kw grbu n krIAhu koeI ] (1127-19)
jaat kaa garab na karee-ahu ko-ee.
No one should be proud of his social class and status.

bRhmu ibMdy so bRwhmxu hoeI ]1] (1127-19)
barahm binday so baraahman ho-ee. ||1||
He alone is a Brahmin, who knows God. ||1||" Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 1127

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On 01/04/2017 at 1:19 AM, Jacfsing2 said:

You could mess with them and tell them you're the highest caste of Brahmin, (it doesn't really mean anything these days), and after you are married you could admit to being Chamar.

 

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

According to Gurmat you wouldn't be lying: "

<> siqgur pRswid ] (1127-18)
ik-oaNkaar satgur parsaad.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

jwiq kw grbu n krIAhu koeI ] (1127-19)
jaat kaa garab na karee-ahu ko-ee.
No one should be proud of his social class and status.

bRhmu ibMdy so bRwhmxu hoeI ]1] (1127-19)
barahm binday so baraahman ho-ee. ||1||
He alone is a Brahmin, who knows God. ||1||" Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 1127

@Jacfsing2 paji, this isn't wise to advice Gurvir ji to do by applying Gurbani to his situation by lieng. I understand what you are trying to say, of what Guruji words are, but advising OP to say he's so n so caste and then saying he's something else would worsen the situation. 

Gurvir ji, I would not suggest you lieing to the girl's parents, as then they will resent you for it and will have an excuse to not accept you as you are. Do the right thing and don't keep nothing from them and the rest is in God's hands. 

Good luck with it and hope it works out, and that caste does not be a barrier to your marriage. 

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4 hours ago, simran345 said:

 

@Jacfsing2 paji, this isn't wise to advice Gurvir ji to do by applying Gurbani to his situation by lieng. I understand what you are trying to say, of what Guruji words are, but advising OP to say he's so n so caste and then saying he's something else would worsen the situation. 

Gurvir ji, I would not suggest you lieing to the girl's parents, as then they will resent you for it and will have an excuse to not accept you as you are. Do the right thing and don't keep nothing from them and the rest is in God's hands. 

Good luck with it and hope it works out, and that caste does not be a barrier to your marriage. 

What's a caste mean? If I wanted to marry some low-caste person, and I was higher caste, I wouldn't be making-up some excuses like, "My parents won't accept it" B.S. The problem is that his mate isn't even attempting to stand-up to the parents about this, and is just sitting away. Either they both stick together and stand-up together; or they break-up, (once they are married Gurbani says to view the spouse as like Vaheguru). But yeah, I wouldn't lie to my mate and be saying stuff like, "My parents don't like your caste, so I can't continue with this relationship", if they are Sikh parents they shouldn't be saying stuff like this. (Maybe I would never understand that as since according to some Brahminwaad caste system; they'd consider me one of the high castes and also since I'm a male?)

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7 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

What's a caste mean? If I wanted to marry some low-caste person, and I was higher caste, I wouldn't be making-up some excuses like, "My parents won't accept it" B.S. The problem is that his mate isn't even attempting to stand-up to the parents about this, and is just sitting away. Either they both stick together and stand-up together; or they break-up, (once they are married Gurbani says to view the spouse as like Vaheguru). But yeah, I wouldn't lie to my mate and be saying stuff like, "My parents don't like your caste, so I can't continue with this relationship", if they are Sikh parents they shouldn't be saying stuff like this. (Maybe I would never understand that as since according to some Brahminwaad caste system; they'd consider me one of the high castes and also since I'm a male?)

You're right about one thing, you don't understand about lieing to them. What need is there to lie to them? He's done nothing wrong or to be ashamed of his caste, so why lie? That's like running away from the problems he's facing. Ok, the parents are wrong to be discriminating against caste, but he won't know properly until he tells them and what if they're ok with it. Unfortunately there are some parents who do stick by caste, but that doesn't mean to try and act clever and be like them does it? 

Say what you want, but you're still wrong by telling him to lie to his future in laws.  There's no need to, either they accept him as he is or they don't, but lieing to fit in is stupid. 

If he feels he needs to say anything, then I suggest he says, "no caste, as I don't believe in it". 

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23 minutes ago, simran345 said:

You're right about one thing, you don't understand about lieing to them. What need is there to lie to them? He's done nothing wrong or to be ashamed of his caste, so why lie? That's like running away from the problems he's facing. Ok, the parents are wrong to be discriminating against caste, but he won't know properly until he tells them and what if they're ok with it. Unfortunately there are some parents who do stick by caste, but that doesn't mean to try and act clever and be like them does it? 

Say what you want, but you're still wrong by telling him to lie to his future in laws.  There's no need to, either they accept him as he is or they don't, but lieing to fit in is stupid. 

If he feels he needs to say anything, then I suggest he says, "no caste, as I don't believe in it". 

I just don't see the girl standing-up to the parents; just the guy doing all the standing-up. But saying the whole, "no caste", would only escalate the situation especially if they want to marry into a particular caste.

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1 minute ago, Jacfsing2 said:

I just don't see the girl standing-up to the parents; just the guy doing all the standing-up. But saying the whole, "no caste", would only escalate the situation especially if they want to marry into a particular caste.

Yes you are right there, the girl needs to stand up to her parents when it comes to caste. If he has suitable spouse, son in law qualities and is a decent guy, and she wants to marry him, then she should be telling them about his qualities and he needs to tell her the no caste and how it's irrelevant as she will then tell her parents, because he should not be doing that. But making out he's another caste to them is not wise either, as it a bad start and they will not trust them after. She needs to be firm in what she believes in if she wants to marry him. 

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Just an update for you brothers and sisters

She spoke to her parents and tried to convince them but they said it would bring too much shame to the family because of my caste. They said she should try to find someone like me but in caste so it is obvious that they approve of me as marriage material just not my caste. They said to her if she does try to marry me they will disown her and not speak to her ever again. She even told them that infact my grandfather and great grandfather owned a farm in india and did not do leather work traditionally associated with chamars, which is true. She argued with them for 3 hours before bursting into tears and calling me to tell me about it.

I have left her next decision up to her as i can not tell her to choose me and abandon her family, she must choose me herself else she may begin to resent me for telling her to choose me over her parents.

It is a difficult time for me as i must wait to hear her answer as she has asked for a few days to think about it. I am not hopeful as she has been more distant since her discussion with her parents.

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One Dhobi (washerman) from Gujarat

One Jheer (water carrier) from Orissa

One Nai (barber) from Karnataka

One Gujjar (goatherd) from Hastinapur

+ one Labana (salt carrier) from Sialkot.

The Panj Pyare.

Manas ki jaath sabhe ek hi pehchaan bo.

Recognise the human race as one.

Blessings for a meaningful Vaisakhi.

Praying that she marries you Gurvir Singh

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9 hours ago, gurvir101 said:

Just an update for you brothers and sisters

She spoke to her parents and tried to convince them but they said it would bring too much shame to the family because of my caste. They said she should try to find someone like me but in caste so it is obvious that they approve of me as marriage material just not my caste. They said to her if she does try to marry me they will disown her and not speak to her ever again. She even told them that infact my grandfather and great grandfather owned a farm in india and did not do leather work traditionally associated with chamars, which is true. She argued with them for 3 hours before bursting into tears and calling me to tell me about it.

I have left her next decision up to her as i can not tell her to choose me and abandon her family, she must choose me herself else she may begin to resent me for telling her to choose me over her parents.

It is a difficult time for me as i must wait to hear her answer as she has asked for a few days to think about it. I am not hopeful as she has been more distant since her discussion with her parents.

At this poin5 it's either you break-up or if she's truly dedicated marriage with disownmemt. But you have to tell her she only has a limited amount of time. None of this would have happened if you listened to my advice.

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15 hours ago, gurvir101 said:

Just an update for you brothers and sisters

She spoke to her parents and tried to convince them but they said it would bring too much shame to the family because of my caste. They said she should try to find someone like me but in caste so it is obvious that they approve of me as marriage material just not my caste. They said to her if she does try to marry me they will disown her and not speak to her ever again. She even told them that infact my grandfather and great grandfather owned a farm in india and did not do leather work traditionally associated with chamars, which is true. She argued with them for 3 hours before bursting into tears and calling me to tell me about it.

I have left her next decision up to her as i can not tell her to choose me and abandon her family, she must choose me herself else she may begin to resent me for telling her to choose me over her parents.

It is a difficult time for me as i must wait to hear her answer as she has asked for a few days to think about it. I am not hopeful as she has been more distant since her discussion with her parents.

Sorry to hear this. Quite surprised by the parents behaviour, especially in the times of now. Thought they would have been a bit more understanding and not given a straight no or they disown her. 

They said she should try to find someone like me but in caste so it is obvious that they approve of me as marriage material just not my caste."  - This is hypocritical of them to say 😏🤔. Like as if it's that easy to find somebody else, yeah right just walk into Morrisons and scan on through the checkout 😐. "Eh leo, discount vi milgea" oh dear. 

Seems like you are doubting her already, chalo at least this will show how serious she is about marrying you.  And the parents, I think they are just using the caste as an excuse to show they are in control, they would need more persuading, as on the first announcement there were bound to be some disagreements. 

Hope it works out in the end. 

 

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    • When you said the Sirsa baba had made 400 Sikh youth into eunuchs, it sounded something like he was scooping up young Amritdhari Singhs into unlabeled white vans and chopping off their parts, and dropping them off in the streets. The article actually references Sirsa followers who were told to become eunuchs on the orders of the Baba. Now I don't endorse chopping off either your hair or your parts, but people are free to do what they want to do. We do not own people, and cannot prevent them from doing stupid things. In any case, the courts are taking up a case against the Sirsa dera regarding this, so why do Sikhs need to disrupt Naam Charcha meetings for? Did you notice the article says "Court rejects Sirsa dera chief’s plea for joint hearing in rape, murder cases"? Meaning the court gave a rejection to the Sirsa chief. Which means the courts are moving against the scum. So why do Sikhs need to disrupt the Naam Charcha meeting? The article says "Four booked in Sirsa for raping minor sisters". It doesn't say "four released", or "four rapists totally ignored." Secondly, while the two girls went to the Sirsa dera for "satsang", the article does not say they were raped in the dera, just a village inside Sirsa district. For example, "Amritsar" is the name of both a place (the Amrit Sarovar), and a city, and a district. A girl who went to Amritsar for darshan, and then was raped in a village of Amritsar district would not make the President of the SGPC responsible. Again, the four were booked, so why do Sikhs need to disrupt a Naam Charcha meeting, and how does it advance the rape prosecution of these lowlifes? Another article about an ongoing case against the Dera chief. So why do Sikhs need to disrupt a Naam Charcha meeting, and how does it advance the rape prosecution of this lowlifes?
    • Yes stop writing stupid things when he's wrote something good.  Onebeing paji and you Parmjit paji listen to this shabad:  ਸੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਮੇਰੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਹੈ ਜਿਥੈ ਕਿਥੈ ਮੈਨੋ ਲਏ ਛਡਾਈ ॥ 
      सो सतिगुरु पिआरा मेरै नालि है जिथै किथै मैनो लए छडाई ॥ 
      So saṯgur pi▫ārā merai nāl hai jithai kithai maino la▫e cẖẖadā▫ī. 
      That Beloved True Guru is with me and gets me delivered wherever I may be.  SGGS ji Ang 588 🙏🏻 Waheguru      This is my last reply.