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Present Sikh leaders dont fight for Sikh principles but for money, power and fame

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Have you guys noticed since militancy ended in mid 90s where real Sikh leaders fought and died for Sikhi and Sikh principles. We the sikh community worldwide have been left with bunch of cuck weak Sikh leaders who are under the army jackboot of the indian government.

When I look back at the speeches of sant bhindranwale he talked about reviving good values in people and to stay away from intoxicants and fighting the good fight for equal rights/treatment for Sikhs being a minority in the Indian union. Nowadays fake Sikh leaders like captain amrinder singh and badals promoted captalism and corruption and covert nashay distribution.

Today's Sikh leaders go by the following slogan "better to live a 100years as a donkey than 1 year of a lion". They look for self preservation of themselves and their relatives they dont really give a damn about the 30 million+ Sikh kaum and desh out there in the world. And these are the leaders that Gurbani talks about and exposes (e.g hypocrites and rich men, oppression of the weak/minorities).

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Acres of zameena and three storey kot'iya aren't accumulated using morals and pyaar for Sikhi, bro. Cold hard rupeyeh are needed for that, lmao.

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45 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Acres of zameena and three storey kot'iya aren't accumulated using morals and pyaar for Sikhi, bro. Cold hard rupeyeh are needed for that, lmao.

yup thats the sad reality of donkeys the more people expose them the more people will wake up from their corruption and wealth hording antics.

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Acres of zameena and three storey kot'iya aren't accumulated using morals and pyaar for Sikhi, bro. Cold hard rupeyeh are needed for that, lmao.

yup thats the sad reality of donkeys

Though the more ordinary people expose them the more people will wake up from their corruption and wealth hording antics.

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2 hours ago, genie said:

Have you guys noticed since militancy ended in mid 90s where real Sikh leaders fought and died for Sikhi and Sikh principles. We the sikh community worldwide have been left with bunch of cuck weak Sikh leaders who are under the army jackboot of the indian government.

When I look back at the speeches of sant bhindranwale he talked about reviving good values in people and to stay away from intoxicants and fighting the good fight for equal rights/treatment for Sikhs being a minority in the Indian union. Nowadays fake Sikh leaders like captain amrinder singh and badals promoted captalism and corruption and covert nashay distribution.

Today's Sikh leaders go by the following slogan "better to live a 100years as a donkey than 1 year of a lion". They look for self preservation of themselves and their relatives they dont really give a damn about the 30 million+ Sikh kaum and desh out there in the world. And these are the leaders that Gurbani talks about and exposes (e.g hypocrites and rich men, oppression of the weak/minorities).

I hear what your saying bro but there is another way of looking at it. . Sant bhindrawale ji didn't just speak exclusively about 'sikh' community but general uplift of all people from vices. .

Secondly more recently we have seen the rise of a sikh chauvinism which whilst may seem good because they apparently "defenders of the faith"..

In my view they often undermine the ideals of sikhi. .

One difficult existentially the sikh community has is that we are commanded not proselytise.. because guru ji taught us we are tisarpanth, sanji quam.. We are guardian's of bani. . But through our actions people will see the beauty and inherent truth and be drawn to it. .

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27 minutes ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

I hear what your saying bro but there is another way of looking at it. . Sant bhindrawale ji didn't just speak exclusively about 'sikh' community but general uplift of all people from vices. .

Secondly more recently we have seen the rise of a sikh chauvinism which whilst may seem good because they apparently "defenders of the faith"..

In my view they often undermine the ideals of sikhi. .

One difficult existentially the sikh community has is that we are commanded not proselytise.. because guru ji taught us we are tisarpanth, sanji quam.. We are guardian's of bani. . But through our actions people will see the beauty and inherent truth and be drawn to it. .

that last thing you mentioned is an attitude of the goray  to slow down sikhi parchaar - the infamous jedi mind trick Bhai Jugraj Singh mentioned . Just look at the 200 plus year period of sikh history prior to Guru Gobind Singh ji joti jot

 

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40 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

that last thing you mentioned is an attitude of the goray  to slow down sikhi parchaar - the infamous jedi mind trick Bhai Jugraj Singh mentioned . Just look at the 200 plus year period of sikh history prior to Guru Gobind Singh ji joti jot

 

Please elaborate jedi mind trick?

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43 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

that last thing you mentioned is an attitude of the goray  to slow down sikhi parchaar - the infamous jedi mind trick Bhai Jugraj Singh mentioned . Just look at the 200 plus year period of sikh history prior to Guru Gobind Singh ji joti jot

 

Are you talking about proselytising and evangelism? These were characteristics of semitic religions ie. islam that guru Nanak Dev Ji rejected outright. . The belief and approach that a person unquestionably accepted and propagated a moral code that was mechanical without substance and manipulated as a tool for exploitation. . Guru sahib said it was our actions as individuals that mattered most... Before everything else. . 

We don't save souls the truth does. .bani expresses the truth. . It is knowledge .. knowledge is gian, is Gurprasad.. 

I'm confused are you suggesting sikhi should become evangelical. ?

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1 hour ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

Are you talking about proselytising and evangelism? These were characteristics of semitic religions ie. islam that guru Nanak Dev Ji rejected outright. . The belief and approach that a person unquestionably accepted and propagated a moral code that was mechanical without substance and manipulated as a tool for exploitation. . Guru sahib said it was our actions as individuals that mattered most... Before everything else. . 

We don't save souls the truth does. .bani expresses the truth. . It is knowledge .. knowledge is gian, is Gurprasad.. 

I'm confused are you suggesting sikhi should become evangelical. ?

is parchaar of gursikhi equivalent to evangelising ? if yes in your mind then the answer would be yes because that is the true langar for the planet :naam

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16 hours ago, genie said:

yup thats the sad reality of donkeys

Though the more ordinary people expose them the more people will wake up from their corruption and wealth hording antics.

Sadly, it looks like the majority of apnay actually aspire to this hording themselves, rather than condemning it. 

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Sadly, it looks like the majority of apnay actually aspire to this hording themselves, rather than condemning it. 

It's more easy to get caught up in this than you think bro. People become addicted to becoming rich even from GurSikh families.

 

Cognitive dissonance is one hell of a drug. 

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2 hours ago, Singh559 said:

It's more easy to get caught up in this than you think bro. People become addicted to becoming rich even from GurSikh families.

 

Cognitive dissonance is one hell of a drug. 

If they had cognitive dissonance over these things, we'd be closer to a solution, it's the fact that they don't that causes the issue. 

There is nothing wrong with success, but when this isn't married with strong ethical values, and a giving attitude towards your own society - we get all the mad issues we have in our community. Like UK Sikhs being very successful and affluent but ignoring rampant and widespread sexual abuse and exploitation of their own children at the same time. 

There is good reason to be wary of over-emphasising wealth when ignoring other important things turns the community into a living joke amongst those around us. 

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4 hours ago, Singh559 said:

It's more easy to get caught up in this than you think bro. People become addicted to becoming rich even from GurSikh families.

Cognitive dissonance is one hell of a drug. 

So true. The thing is they're entitled to reap the benefits of their hard work, but i laugh when they start dropping pangtia from Gurbani in order to desperately justify their one-track obsession with accumulating as much as they can get their hands on.

It's similar to when a Sikh has an unnatural and excessive liking for wearing and buying gold jewellery, and you remind them that Sikhi doesn't look favourably on the gratuitous indulgence of such vulgarities, and they respond with, "Leh! Sadhe Guru Sahib sohneh toh begher pherdeh si?" And then you remind them that Guru Sahib also sacrificed his father, mother, and four sons, and you ask them if they plan on emulating that aspect of their life, too. Not a peep in response, lol.

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21 hours ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

Are you talking about proselytising and evangelism? These were characteristics of semitic religions ie. islam that guru Nanak Dev Ji rejected outright. . The belief and approach that a person unquestionably accepted and propagated a moral code that was mechanical without substance and manipulated as a tool for exploitation. . Guru sahib said it was our actions as individuals that mattered most... Before everything else. . 

We don't save souls the truth does. .bani expresses the truth. . It is knowledge .. knowledge is gian, is Gurprasad.. 

I'm confused are you suggesting sikhi should become evangelical. ?

tell me a time when sikhs didnt go out and preach their dharam? Guru amardas ji appointed over 50 women parcharaks to spread sikh dharam. Guru hargobind sahib ji appointed sikhs to go to kabul....for wat exactly? To spread sikhi to the muslims there. When guru gobind singh was born, their ol' man, guru tegh bahadur, didnt even see guru ji for 7 of yrs of their life, bcoz they were doin parchar in bengal/orrisa/bihari areas. In recent times, singh sabha lahore, with giani ditt singh, converted mass amounts of hindus/muslims to sikhi, to the point where in the 1920s-partition time sikhi was the fastest growing dharam in greater panjab (birth rates/conversions). Not to mention sant bhindrawale, who converted sways of lapsed sikhs, hindus/muslims and hardcore atheists/communists....

Stop this brainwashed rubbish.

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21 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

is parchaar of gursikhi equivalent to evangelising ? if yes in your mind then the answer would be yes because that is the true langar for the planet :naam

I don't believe parchaar is proselytizing.. But there is a very fine line.. Which is why some would be  'parcharaks' mess it up 

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1 hour ago, StarStriker said:

tell me a time when sikhs didnt go out and preach their dharam? Guru amardas ji appointed over 50 women parcharaks to spread sikh dharam. Guru hargobind sahib ji appointed sikhs to go to kabul....for wat exactly? To spread sikhi to the muslims there. When guru gobind singh was born, their ol' man, guru tegh bahadur, didnt even see guru ji for 7 of yrs of their life, bcoz they were doin parchar in bengal/orrisa/bihari areas. In recent times, singh sabha lahore, with giani ditt singh, converted mass amounts of hindus/muslims to sikhi, to the point where in the 1920s-partition time sikhi was the fastest growing dharam in greater panjab (birth rates/conversions). Not to mention sant bhindrawale, who converted sways of lapsed sikhs, hindus/muslims and hardcore atheists/communists....

Stop this brainwashed rubbish.

There is a difference between parchaar and evangelising 

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12 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

So true. The thing is they're entitled to reap the benefits of their hard work, but i laugh when they start dropping pangtia from Gurbani in order to desperately justify their one-track obsession with accumulating as much as they can get their hands on.

It's similar to when a Sikh has an unnatural and excessive liking for wearing and buying gold jewellery, and you remind them that Sikhi doesn't look favourably on the gratuitous indulgence of such vulgarities, and they respond with, "Leh! Sadhe Guru Sahib sohneh toh begher pherdeh si?" And then you remind them that Guru Sahib also sacrificed his father, mother, and four sons, and you ask them if they plan on emulating that aspect of their life, too. Not a peep in response, lol.

You can go even further and remind them of the fact that Guru Gobind Singh ji, when they were a very young Gobind Rai, actually threw their gold bangles into a river explicitly saying they didn't want to be a slave of such things. Or the story of Baba Nanak giving a needle to another money horder asking him to return it to him in his next life - but I'd imagine such people would just go quiet upon hearing these things and carry on the same way. 

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