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Emotional journey of an ex-army Black American into Sikhi

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I wonder how many Punjabi and of course Hindu (why do they get a say?) bigots have posted negative comments about black not being able to become Singhs . 

I'm so happy for them ...

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10 minutes ago, Preeet said:

Because our Sri Guru Sahib ji is also their Guru ji equally. He was their Guru ji before Sikhs even existed.

a shisha doesn't question their Guru ji's wisdom ...so where is your theory now .

They are not SIkh by behaviour prayers or ethics because of their own manmat choice then want to tell Gursikhs how to be ....such hypocrites

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7 minutes ago, Preeet said:

My theory? I was not talking about those specific Hindus that would object that guy, rather I was talking about Hindus as a whole. By that logic I don't think youd consider people to be Sikhs just because there are people like Badal (meaning you do not consider Hindus to have him as their Guru ji because of a small amount of Hindus). Believe it or not, in a lot of Mandirs they even worship our Sri Guru Sahib jis as their Guru jis. Even in Canada where Im from, they worship them in my city's Mandir even though there is a Gurdwara ji in the same area.

How do they worship them ? 

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11 minutes ago, Preeet said:

My theory? I was not talking about those specific Hindus that would object that guy, rather I was talking about Hindus as a whole. By that logic I don't think youd consider people to be Sikhs just because there are people like Badal (meaning you do not consider Hindus to have him as their Guru ji because of a small amount of Hindus). Believe it or not, in a lot of Mandirs they even worship our Sri Guru Sahib jis as their Guru jis. Even in Canada where Im from, they worship them in my city's Mandir even though there is a Gurdwara ji in the same area.

Sindhis even though they used to believe in the light of Vaheguru on Earth have now embraced mainstream Hinduism. Now the only worship of Mahraj in their system is mostly RSS Pakhand. 

2 minutes ago, Preeet said:

The same way they worship the other Gods. They wash the image, they do Sri Vaheguru jaap. When I went there I was surprised.  The aunties and uncles that go there say Vaheguru Vaheguru even in front of devta images instead of saying om namah shivaya theyd say Vaheguru Vaheguru infront of the shivling etc.

The light of God has no image. If you read Jaap Sahib you can see clearly.

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1 minute ago, Preeet said:

Of course, but they worship Guru ji's image, you know, the ones that even Sikhs keep in their homes?

a murti or tasveer can NEVER capture Guru Sahiban anyone who is deluded enough to think that this manmat is what our Guru accepts as Guru mera pooja , Gur Govind ....are really really lost . whether Sikh, Hindu, SIndi whatever.

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Just now, Preeet said:

So you are against Sikh art?

yes in terms of elevating it above Gurbani and Gur Panth, only exception are the SELF-portraits of Guru Teg Bahadur ji , which I respect as much as the handwritten hukamnamey, letters and gurbani because of Guru ji's energetic signature .

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3 minutes ago, Preeet said:

Okay then..  Keep in mind that the art that they are worshiping also has Vaheguru written on it, they are literally worshiping Gurbani as you and I matha tek to it as well. The people there have faith in Guru ji.

do not try to misinterpret the printing of gurbani as justtification of the worship of the artists kalpana ...next people will be writing gurbani on their bodies and saying they are now pavitar by that act ....using that logic trail 

Guru lives in the Naad of the gurbani not on paper that is why we are told to sing it, say it , do its charchaa

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33 minutes ago, Preeet said:

The thing is, art does not sweat or make impurities. Our bodies do sweat, and also go to the bathroom (so our bodies can never be pavitra because of sweat etc, thus keeping sikh tattoos would be not good and incomparable to art). I don't see anything wrong with people matha teking to gurbani ji. Curious, do you own any Sikh art?

only lazer reproduction of Guru Gobind Singh ji handwritten Mul Mantar  ... 

I suppose book covers are included so then Dasam Granth Q & A has a tasveer made on it but I cover it with ramala when reading so do not see it 
 

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1 hour ago, Preeet said:

Of course, but they worship Guru ji's image, you know, the ones that even Sikhs keep in their homes? & it's a Punjabi mandir, not a sindhi one. Even all the writing is in gurmukhi rather than hindi. 

I'm not exactly anti-pictures like most Gursikhs are, (bless me to be like them), but there are 2 types of pictures. One is the worshipping type, which shouldn't be made and the 2nd is the historical type which is fine.

An example of the first one: images.jpg.196ebdef1722ee71119bfd6c51f190f9.jpg

An example of the second one: severedheadofteghbahadur.jpg.2b3333b3ea14cc6c50a2464a99af6c48.jpg

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Guru Nanak Dev ji rejected idol worship themselves. There are pangtis in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji where Guruji tells us this. 

Pictures only become worship when one one treats them as idol worship. Have you ever seen a statue of any of the Gurus in a Gurdwara? No, right, that's because it's anti-gurmat to worship stone statues, as Guruji tells us this. 

When Sikhs bow to Guruji, it's not idol worship, but they are bowing in respect to the word of God, the shabad, which is same as bowing to God, which is totally different to what idol worship of Hindus is. There is no comparison. 

 

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12 minutes ago, simran345 said:

Guru Nanak Dev ji rejected idol worship themselves. There are pangtis in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji where Guruji tells us this. 

Pictures only become worship when one one treats them as idol worship. Have you ever seen a statue of any of the Gurus in a Gurdwara? No, right, that's because it's anti-gurmat to worship stone statues, as Guruji tells us this. 

When Sikhs bow to Guruji, it's not idol worship, but they are bowing in respect to the word of God, the shabad, which is same as bowing to God, which is totally different to what idol worship of Hindus is. There is no comparison. 

 

matha tekna is humbling our chanchal low intellect in front of the unalienable hukham and gian of Guru Sahiban

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7 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

matha tekna is humbling our chanchal low intellect in front of the unalienable hukham and gian of Guru Sahiban

Exactly. 

“Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the embodiment of the attributes of Ever Existent Supreme Being. Worshipping Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is same as paying homage to The Supreme Being.” 

 

~ Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji 

 

Penji have you read this book ?

 "Is Worshipping Guru Granth Sahib ji Akin to Idol Worship?"

Sorry can't get the font to go smaller  

 

 

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10 hours ago, simran345 said:

Exactly. 

“Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the embodiment of the attributes of Ever Existent Supreme Being. Worshipping Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is same as paying homage to The Supreme Being.” 

 

~ Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji 

 

Penji have you read this book ?

 "Is Worshipping Guru Granth Sahib ji Akin to Idol Worship?"

Sorry can't get the font to go smaller  

 

 

No but I have always had that sentiment from when I was a child ...it's on my to read list I've read Jail chittian three times .Due for another re-read this time with bholi bhene Isher Kaur

The other sentiment is putting the doord of the sant jan on my mastak 

 

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8 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

No but I have always had that sentiment from when I was a child ...it's on my to read list I've read Jail chittian three times .Due for another re-read this time with bholi bhene Isher Kaur

The other sentiment is putting the doord of the sant jan on my mastak 

 

The book's really good, its online in English and Punjabi but I recommend the Punjabi as the translations dont do the full justice of BHai Sahib's wisdom.

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3 hours ago, Kira said:

The book's really good, its online in English and Punjabi but I recommend the Punjabi as the translations dont do the full justice of BHai Sahib's wisdom.

agreed Bhai sahib's words can be terse but they strike home in their directness , I have been downloading pdf s to read on my kindle ...would recommend this way of building up a personal sikh library to dip into , when a lull occurs in your day .

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I got to say: that Tegh fellow looks proper good in his dastaar. Can't wait to see the video and see how his deployments in the army effected him. 

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On 11/03/2017 at 9:32 PM, jkvlondon said:

I wonder how many Punjabi and of course Hindu (why do they get a say?) bigots have posted negative comments about black not being able to become Singhs . 

I'm so happy for them ...

I noticed alot of haters which include punjabi Christians. black Christians, south asian muslims and off course punjabi hindu's really hate it when blacks or whites convert to sikhi. Alot of these scumbags always leave negative comments on these kinda videos out of pure jealously and hatred for non-punjabis/non-indians embracing Sikhi.

But for us in Sikhi its great to see different people from different races and walks of lifes hearing the Guru's message and giving their life to sikhi and reconnecting their soul to Waheguru.

 

 

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Another Black hipster adopting Sikhi because he has no culture of his own? It seems to be a recent trend with Kaleh and Goreh in the US. A lot of outsiders are jumping on it as if it is in fashion. My question is why?

Many seem to say the same thing i.e. 'I heard Prayer/Kirtan and started crying' or 'I could not bear to turn away from my Guru, heart aches, cries etc...'. OK. Well, how can you do that when you do not have a Sikh background and do not understand the meaning of each shabad? They are not translated to English in Gurdware and it can up to a lifetime for the purest and devout of Sikhs to comprehend such wisdom, unless you happen to be fluent in around a dozen Asian languages. The whole thing looks to be somewhat scripted to me.

I understand they are searching for something, inner-peace, and that is fair enough as everyone is on a 'journey' but why talk in cliches? Who are you trying to impress? Are you being paid?

Basics of Sikhi, are you trying to convert outsiders through 'camps'? Leave that to the Muslims and Christians. A lot of parchaaraks today seem to be treating Sikhi as salesmanship. Have they forgot the concept of Parchaar? Punjabis do not need to appease the Goreh/West by forcing Sikhi on others. If they want to know, they can use the internet, libraries etc. Travel and living costs from donations to fund such trips could be used for important causes. Do not put religion before humanity. I would be interested to know the ratio of such balances within Sikh educational charities.

To finish on the OP, what I also do not understand and what really annoys me is why outsiders use the names of the Gurus i.e. 'Tegh' or the Chaar Sahibzaade etc. It displays pretentiousness and ego as well as a clear lack of respect and understanding of their legacy.

The name of a person can you tell you a lot about them. In the case with these individuals, they just think it is 'cool'. Who are these nobodies compared to our Gurus and great Gursikhs?

I am not trying to attack anyone. I am just sad about the state of Sikhi today.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh.

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28 minutes ago, GuestSingh said:

Another Black hipster adopting Sikhi because he has no culture of his own? It seems to be a recent trend with Kaleh and Goreh in the US. A lot of outsiders are jumping on it as if it is in fashion. My question is why?

Many seem to say the same thing i.e. 'I heard Prayer/Kirtan and started crying' or 'I could not bear to turn away from my Guru, heart aches, cries etc...'. OK. Well, how can you do that when you do not have a Sikh background and do not understand the meaning of each shabad? They are not translated to English in Gurdware and it can up to a lifetime for the purest and devout of Sikhs to comprehend such wisdom, unless you happen to be fluent in around a dozen Asian languages. The whole thing looks to be somewhat scripted to me.

I understand they are searching for something, inner-peace, and that is fair enough as everyone is on a 'journey' but why talk in cliches? Who are you trying to impress? Are you being paid?

Basics of Sikhi, are you trying to convert outsiders through 'camps'? Leave that to the Muslims and Christians. A lot of parchaaraks today seem to be treating Sikhi as salesmanship. Have they forgot the concept of Parchaar? Punjabis do not need to appease the Goreh/West by forcing Sikhi on others. If they want to know, they can use the internet, libraries etc. Travel and living costs from donations to fund such trips could be used for important causes. Do not put religion before humanity. I would be interested to know the ratio of such balances within Sikh educational charities.

To finish on the OP, what I also do not understand and what really annoys me is why outsiders use the names of the Gurus i.e. 'Tegh' or the Chaar Sahibzaade etc. It displays pretentiousness and ego as well as a clear lack of respect and understanding of their legacy.

The name of a person can you tell you a lot about them. In the case with these individuals, they just think it is 'cool'. Who are these nobodies compared to our Gurus and great Gursikhs?

I am not trying to attack anyone. I am just sad about the state of Sikhi today.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh.

err who are you to decide who is worthy of sikhi ?  Parchaar is what all Guru Sahiban did and encouraged their sikhs to do especially the bibian , the fact that someone has done the hard work of inspiring our youth and those who have a language barrier and joint knowledge barrier should be encouraged and admired . The primary audience was our own who had been failed by their families so what if others who have been left cold by the world seek Guru ji's words of solace and find knowledge there ? Are you going to stand and tell them no ?

People who are donating are doing through their own choice , you don't have to give if you don't want these are the same people who donate to SAS and Khalsa Aid and Ecosikhs and plenty of other groups .

Punjabis have been using Ajit SIngh , Fateh Singh, Bahadur Singh etc forever... there is no paabandi  besides he renamed after taking gurvaak and presented the name for jaikaara of approval by sangat. What would you prefer that  people stay with Christian names when their allegiance is with Guru?

Sikhi is on the rise , did you believe that all the sikhs would be just punjabis because the panj piarey were not just punjabi , early sikhs were afghans, assamese, sindhi, gujrati, Sri Lankan all sorts and their skin would have been just as diverse as now . Don't be scared of change 

Those who are being brought to sikhi is through Waheguru ji's hukham ...accept it

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4 hours ago, genie said:

I noticed alot of haters which include punjabi Christians. black Christians, south asian muslims and off course punjabi hindu's really hate it when blacks or whites convert to sikhi. Alot of these scumbags always leave negative comments on these kinda videos out of pure jealously and hatred for non-punjabis/non-indians embracing Sikhi.

But for us in Sikhi its great to see different people from different races and walks of lifes hearing the Guru's message and giving their life to sikhi and reconnecting their soul to Waheguru.

 

 

Yup, alot of haters out there, esp panjabi hindus, communists etc. We even have 1 on this thread, masquerading under fake sikh ID's. Ive always sed it, never ever trust any sharma/verma/masih.

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49 minutes ago, StarStriker said:

Yup, alot of haters out there, esp panjabi hindus, communists etc. We even have 1 on this thread, masquerading under fake sikh ID's. Ive always sed it, never ever trust any sharma/verma/masih.

Yes, I find the sharma's the most vilest anti-sikh group of brahmin hindu punjabi's you can get though some sharma are Sikh who just happened to have the surname sharma and belong to brahmin sikh community. Verma are usually 50/50 one groups are pro-sikh and other half are into hp cults. Masih are punjabi christians these group are the sly ones who try to brainwash non-christians into their abrahmic cult using the promise of free medicine and cash loans aided by western rich governments and church funds.

 

2 hours ago, GuestSingh said:

Another Black hipster adopting Sikhi because he has no culture of his own? It seems to be a recent trend with Kaleh and Goreh in the US. A lot of outsiders are jumping on it as if it is in fashion. My question is why?

Many seem to say the same thing i.e. 'I heard Prayer/Kirtan and started crying' or 'I could not bear to turn away from my Guru, heart aches, cries etc...'. OK. Well, how can you do that when you do not have a Sikh background and do not understand the meaning of each shabad? They are not translated to English in Gurdware and it can up to a lifetime for the purest and devout of Sikhs to comprehend such wisdom, unless you happen to be fluent in around a dozen Asian languages. The whole thing looks to be somewhat scripted to me.

I understand they are searching for something, inner-peace, and that is fair enough as everyone is on a 'journey' but why talk in cliches? Who are you trying to impress? Are you being paid?

Basics of Sikhi, are you trying to convert outsiders through 'camps'? Leave that to the Muslims and Christians. A lot of parchaaraks today seem to be treating Sikhi as salesmanship. Have they forgot the concept of Parchaar? Punjabis do not need to appease the Goreh/West by forcing Sikhi on others. If they want to know, they can use the internet, libraries etc. Travel and living costs from donations to fund such trips could be used for important causes. Do not put religion before humanity. I would be interested to know the ratio of such balances within Sikh educational charities.

To finish on the OP, what I also do not understand and what really annoys me is why outsiders use the names of the Gurus i.e. 'Tegh' or the Chaar Sahibzaade etc. It displays pretentiousness and ego as well as a clear lack of respect and understanding of their legacy.

The name of a person can you tell you a lot about them. In the case with these individuals, they just think it is 'cool'. Who are these nobodies compared to our Gurus and great Gursikhs?

I am not trying to attack anyone. I am just sad about the state of Sikhi today.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh.

It doesnt matter how they come into sikhi or embrace it. What matters is that people are and we should welcome them in with open arms as brothers and sisters. If we close ourselves like some hp cult or castist cult then sikhi wont spread and we will be reduced in numbers as people marry out because of brainwashing by the atheist west rich elites.

Basics of Sikhi are doing amazing job and they are making islamic and christian missionaries mad, which is the best bit. We should be targetting hindu punjabis too because their cults are dangerous to Sikh population of punjab and india. The reason why hindu punjabis have been left alone by Sikh missionaries is because of SGPC which has been controlled by jattwad castists probably in the pay of RSS they are the new brahmins elitists who secretly infiltrated our institutions so that we couldnt spread Sikhi to dalits or others and as a result we lost our chance of Sikhistan/Khalistan back in 1940s.

You maybe  HP in disguise of a Sikh we dont know but either way only the enemy of Waheguru's Sikhi doesnt want it to spread to non-sikhs. So any tactic that can be used to convert non-sikhs especially breeding age women to Sikhi the better because there is an ideological war going on out there the muslims know this and breed like rats and convert women because divorcing and getting another woman to breed with to increase muslim population. Most Sikhs are lost  in a state of m0ronic denial at the moment to ground realities of how population is important as it equals political power = better rights and treatment for Sikhs.

I read somewhere on another forum once that Guru Nanak dev ji once said if you live and spread the goodness of sikhi you will be saved in the after life with the lords grace. Also after you die Waheguru will ask you what did you do while on earth to further my religion, when you were given Sikhi did you help others get into the religion or did you selfishly keep to yourself? What will you say? Death can happen any time my friend but if you haven't helped spread the religion and convert non-believers into Sikh believers then you will probably be judged harshly. Waheguru didnt manifest Sikhi on earth so that it can die out or only a small select cult of people can practice it, he wants it to spread. And spread it shall if we all work at it.

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The full video is up on youtube.

 

Irrelevant of whether you agree or disagree it's always worth listening to an "outsiders" experience of Sikhi and what draw's them to it and also, what brings people back into Sikhi.

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18 hours ago, GuestSingh said:

Another Black hipster adopting Sikhi because he has no culture of his own? It seems to be a recent trend with Kaleh and Goreh in the US. A lot of outsiders are jumping on it as if it is in fashion. My question is why?

Many seem to say the same thing i.e. 'I heard Prayer/Kirtan and started crying' or 'I could not bear to turn away from my Guru, heart aches, cries etc...'. OK. Well, how can you do that when you do not have a Sikh background and do not understand the meaning of each shabad? They are not translated to English in Gurdware and it can up to a lifetime for the purest and devout of Sikhs to comprehend such wisdom, unless you happen to be fluent in around a dozen Asian languages. The whole thing looks to be somewhat scripted to me.

I understand they are searching for something, inner-peace, and that is fair enough as everyone is on a 'journey' but why talk in cliches? Who are you trying to impress? Are you being paid?

Basics of Sikhi, are you trying to convert outsiders through 'camps'? Leave that to the Muslims and Christians. A lot of parchaaraks today seem to be treating Sikhi as salesmanship. Have they forgot the concept of Parchaar? Punjabis do not need to appease the Goreh/West by forcing Sikhi on others. If they want to know, they can use the internet, libraries etc. Travel and living costs from donations to fund such trips could be used for important causes. Do not put religion before humanity. I would be interested to know the ratio of such balances within Sikh educational charities.

To finish on the OP, what I also do not understand and what really annoys me is why outsiders use the names of the Gurus i.e. 'Tegh' or the Chaar Sahibzaade etc. It displays pretentiousness and ego as well as a clear lack of respect and understanding of their legacy.

The name of a person can you tell you a lot about them. In the case with these individuals, they just think it is 'cool'. Who are these nobodies compared to our Gurus and great Gursikhs?

I am not trying to attack anyone. I am just sad about the state of Sikhi today.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh.

Note to Mods: delete this racist nonsense. We got a million problems and we don't want racism to influence the lost people within our Panth. To be honest when this guy in the video mentioned that nobody considering him a Sikh, I honestly noticed the dumalla before his skin color, (a turban is more visible than the skin color if you ask me).

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