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According to maryada of Hazoor Sahib & Buddha Dal women were never given Khande Di Pahul. Hazoor Sahib/Buddha Dal has maintained the original maryada since time of 10ve patshah. Sikhi in the area of Hazoor Sahib is much stronger then the whole of Punjab (man made maryada land). Every Sikh in Nanded is mostly kesadhari & shasterdhari. They have Prakash of Sri Dasam Granth & never had a problem where Mahants bought murtis into the Gurdwara like what happened in Panjab but still get accused of being followers of Hindu traditions. Naamdharis were the first to start giving amrit to women around the late 1800's, there's written proof of this. Watch this video to get knowledge about why & when women were given amrit & when it all started;

 

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2 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

According to maryada of Hazoor Sahib & Buddha Dal women were never given Khande Di Pahul. Hazoor Sahib/Buddha Dal has maintained the original maryada since time of 10ve patshah. Sikhi in the area of Hazoor Sahib is much stronger then the whole of Punjab (man made maryada land). Every Sikh in Nanded is mostly kesadhari & shasterdhari. They have Prakash of Sri Dasam Granth & never had a problem where Mahants bought murtis into the Gurdwara like what happened in Panjab but still get accused of being followers of Hindu traditions. Naamdharis were the first to start giving amrit to women around the late 1800's, there's written proof of this. Watch this video to get knowledge about why & when women were given amrit & when it all started;

 

so please explain to me why there is sakhi of Dasmesh pita ji giving Amrit to Mai Bhago and if sikh women never had amrit how did their names changed to Kaur and how did they remain equal in sikhi?

 

This guy in the video has been excommunicated from panth for his views... 

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2 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

According to maryada of Hazoor Sahib & Buddha Dal women were never given Khande Di Pahul. Hazoor Sahib/Buddha Dal has maintained the original maryada since time of 10ve patshah. Sikhi in the area of Hazoor Sahib is much stronger then the whole of Punjab (man made maryada land). Every Sikh in Nanded is mostly kesadhari & shasterdhari. They have Prakash of Sri Dasam Granth & never had a problem where Mahants bought murtis into the Gurdwara like what happened in Panjab but still get accused of being followers of Hindu traditions. Naamdharis were the first to start giving amrit to women around the late 1800's, there's written proof of this. Watch this video to get knowledge about why & when women were given amrit & when it all started;

 

You know you posted something from a guy who doesn't even believe in the light of Vaheguru: Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. http://www.yespunjab.com/sikh/issues/item/3668-akal-takht-excommunicates-dharam-singh-nihang The Free Akal Takht Jathedars also have supported his excommunication.

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57 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

You know you posted something from a guy who doesn't even believe in the light of Vaheguru: Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. http://www.yespunjab.com/sikh/issues/item/3668-akal-takht-excommunicates-dharam-singh-nihang The Free Akal Takht Jathedars also have supported his excommunication.

 

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

so please explain to me why there is sakhi of Dasmesh pita ji giving Amrit to Mai Bhago and if sikh women never had amrit how did their names changed to Kaur and how did they remain equal in sikhi?

 

This guy in the video has been excommunicated from panth for his views... 

Listen to his katha on Guru Granth Sahib to make up your own mind.... he was ex-communicated for political reasons under the guise of him supposedly being anti Guru Granth Sahib (which he is not as evidenced in his SGGS katha). He was ex-communicated because he openly calls akal takht corrupt & under the control of government & openly criticises the jathedars.

Mata Bhago ji's final resting place & tap asthan is just south of Hazur Sahib... no one there refers to Mata Ji using 'Kaur'. 

All Hukamname issued by Mata Sahib Deva were signed by Mata as 'Mata Sahib Devi'... no use of the word 'kaur' by Mata herself. 

Please provide historical written source that predates 1900 that gives evidence that women were given amrit... apparently there is no source available so would like clarification on this 

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1 hour ago, Mahakaal96 said:

 

Listen to his katha on Guru Granth Sahib to make up your own mind.... he was ex-communicated for political reasons under the guise of him supposedly being anti Guru Granth Sahib (which he is not as evidenced in his SGGS katha). He was ex-communicated because he openly calls akal takht corrupt & under the control of government & openly criticises the jathedars.

Mata Bhago ji's final resting place & tap asthan is just south of Hazur Sahib... no one there refers to Mata Ji using 'Kaur'. 

All Hukamname issued by Mata Sahib Deva were signed by Mata as 'Mata Sahib Devi'... no use of the word 'kaur' by Mata herself. 

Please provide historical written source that predates 1900 that gives evidence that women were given amrit... apparently there is no source available so would like clarification on this 

Any Taksali will tell you a man can't take Amrit without his wife, let's not forget in 1978 and 1984 it wasn't Anti-Woman Amrit Sanchars people who gave their lives for Sikhi, but rather Taksalis and AKJs. They weren't busy with killing goats, but rather bringing enemies to justice.

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Let's not make it Amrit n Keski discussion.

Key words are "Turban" n "Marriage"

Nowadays women wear turban as a fashion statement. They are unable to control their urge to look good so they remove hair. This is unacceptable as per punjabi version of Rehat Maryada.

So what's the point of wearing one & promoting hypocrisy.

Kindly read Gurbani verses regarding Bhekh

http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart15.htm

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1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Any Taksali will tell you a man can't take Amrit without his wife, let's not forget in 1978 and 1984 it wasn't Anti-Woman Amrit Sanchars people who gave their lives for Sikhi, but rather Taksalis and AKJs. They weren't busy with killing goats, but rather bringing enemies to justice.

I asked for historical sources that predate 1900 that give evidence of women taking amrit... not emotional blackmail pappu parchar. Even if what your saying is right then that would mean that in 1699 the Panj Pyare would only have been allowed to take amrit WITH their wives & when Mahraj themselves took amrit they would only have been allowed to do so WITH Mata Sundri Ji, Mata Jeeto Ji & Mata Sahib Deva Ji! There's eye witness written accounts of what happened that day... of how mahraj asked for 5 heads.. beheaded 5 heads then bought back to life then bowed down & took amrit from panj pyare themselves... no where does it mention women or that the men could only take amrit with their wife. 

If women took amrit & became 'kaurs' then why are all handwritten hukamname of Mata Sahib Deva signed Mata Sahib Devi & not kaur??

Naamdharis have written sources that say they were the first to give women amrit & did so around 1850 onwards.

 

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You do not need to worry about men considering you as ugly. On the contrary, I foresee many Singhs showing interest in you when you tie a dastar. I remember having a conversation with one of my friends when she first started wearing her dastar. I asked her, has they way men treat you changed much? Her response was along the lines of "I still get hit on as much as before. Men are just as flirtatious." The truth is, it doesnt make a difference to most people, except the people that hate women wearing dastars and the backward pind type. And those are two groups of people that really don't matter. 

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11 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

According to maryada of Hazoor Sahib & Buddha Dal women were never given Khande Di Pahul. Hazoor Sahib/Buddha Dal has maintained the original maryada since time of 10ve patshah.

Hazoor Sahib as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji left it is very different than how it is today.  Many false practices are taking place at Hazoor Sahib today.  Not to mention it's run by a RSS leader/member currently by the name of Amrik Singh Varsikar. 

Buddha Dal claim their lineage goes back to the Sixth Guru and is named after Baba Budha ji.  Amrit was first introduced by Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji as Charan Pahul.  Bhai Gurdas ji has wrote this history in his vaaran (vaar 1, pauri 23).  Bhai Gurdas ji writes Sikhs were given Charan Pahul by the Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.  There was no stipulation on which gender can take Charan Pahul or who can't, clearly stated Sikhs.  Sixth Guru kept up the lineage of Charan Pahul as Amrit from the Punj Pyare started much later in 1699.  Since Buddha Dal wants to claim their lineage all the way back to the first war fought by Sikhs (which were at the time of Sixth Guru), this would mean Buddha Dal followed Charan Pahul from the Guru given to Sikhs, which includes males and females.  So the question for you to answer now is, what changed from Charan Pahul to Punj Pyare where women were never given Khande Di Pahul?  This is your claim, women were never given amrit from the Punj Pyare, so substantiate it and tells us what changed.  Provide references to where you find the answers and links, so you can be given a good lesson.  Little kids shouldn`t play with fire...

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 Sikhi in the area of Hazoor Sahib is much stronger then the whole of Punjab (man made maryada land). Every Sikh in Nanded is mostly kesadhari & shasterdhari.

Well when you define Sikhi including manmat practices, then its very easily for the locals to follow that fake version of Sikhi.  It's like the other deras who allow their followers to drink and smoke.  All they have to do is make a false claim they are apart of the dera and like magic the dera followers are much stronger in their beliefs.  Kesh and shastar only help when the shackles of manmat practices are lifted off the head.  These poor people are enslaved by hindu rituals in the disguise of a Sikh identity. 

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They have Prakash of Sri Dasam Granth

So what, they worship the very devta and devis Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji tells them not to worship in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji. 

 

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& never had a problem where Mahants bought murtis into the Gurdwara like what happened in Panjab but still get accused of being followers of Hindu traditions.

Very confusing sentences, but I believe you are saying, the Hazoor Sahib leaders had no problem with mahants bringing murtis in Gurdwaras.  If so, then you don`t have the basic understanding of Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji or Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji.  Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji called the murti worshipper a murakh (completely blind) and Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji says, he break murtis.  The first and 10 Guru have made it crystal clear on not to allow murtis in Gurdwaras, which will basically turn into murti worship.  Mahant were bringing in murtis of devta and devis who were never to be worshipped.  So take your head out of the murti and maybe start reading Gurbani.  

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Naamdharis were the first to start giving amrit to women around the late 1800's, there's written proof of this. Watch this video to get knowledge about why & when women were given amrit & when it all started;

If you are going to believe the claim of Naamdharis, then you also must believe Baba Ram Singh ji said he was the Guru of the Sikhs.  Here I will give you a better example of your illogical reasoning.  I was the first one to claim this poster, Mahakaal is a pandit terrorist who believes in cow worship.  I claimed it, now it must be true.  So mahakaal how does it feels to drink the urine of cows as you worship them.

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4 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

If women took amrit & became 'kaurs' then why are all handwritten hukamname of Mata Sahib Deva signed Mata Sahib Devi & not kaur??

Naamdharis have written sources that say they were the first to give women amrit & did so around 1850 onwards.

 

In your previous post you say amrit from Punj Pyare was not given to women.  You believe this to be true.  The other side claims kaur was given to women who took amrit.  Since you think women were never given Amrit before naamdhari started around 1850, you can`t say Mata Sahib Kaur ji never took amrit because her handwritten hukamname never put kaur in her name.  How could she place Kaur in her name when you don`t even believe the initial event of taking Amrit by a women never happened, which would have allowed her to place kaur in her name.  Once you use the primary claim of no women was given amrit.  The secondary reason (hand written hukamname never had kaur in them) is nulled and can`t be a support for the primary reason.  

Guess what.......I`m just getting started with you.  This will be a good brain refreshing exercise.       

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