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Disclaimer foreword : I don't intend to spread any kind of animosity between two communities but will just share the kind of things hindus said about our sikh gurus, about our dastaar , etc. This is my first hand experience.

 

I joined my current office in July 2015. I wanted to get along well with everyone , but soon realized my distinct appearance (turban and beard) didn't go well along with some of them. 

In lunch table I started getting ridiculed

I remember this motherfucker started mocking me. He was a south indian

1) Why do you tie that thing on your head ? to keep your head from exploding ?

2) Why do you people wear that dagger ? *after I explained him , "So if a sikh woman is gonna chop vegetables, but forgets her knife in kitchen, can she use Kirpan?"

3) What do you do if you gotta ride a bike ? how you going to wear your helmet ?

4) What you gonna do if you got an itch on your head ? how you gonna scratch ? *laughs*

One of them other , when I showed him a pic of Guru Gobind Singh ji made a face of disrespect and said "What has he done ?" . then finds and shows me 'santa banta jokes' . "this is only thing you're good for, this is your only history lol" He's a loyal far-right winger "nationalist".

All the while, these people always kept praising shivaji , their hero , even this south indian guy kept praising shivaji .They would talk of going to temple together. So it proves they do have some hindu sentiment in them . They're not truly atheist ! 

I had heard of RSS people in my earlier years, but this was first hand hate experience of hate from hindus ! 

When I told them of sacrifices of sikh gurus, they usually went in denial mode.

I was honestly very revolted. I once cursed one of them "may you die with maggots inside you " .

Once these people also called Khalsa terrorist ! And mocked sikhs right to wear kirpan ! 

Also , these people always united , even if one of them said wrong to me . 

I didn't used to hate hindus, but after these experience, I would say I don't really call them "brother" as I used to ! 

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MisterrSingh    2,805

And yet you still feel compelled to blindly follow aspects of the societal norms of these people. To them you are a slave in mind and soul. When you espouse their ideologies, you are suggesting their ways are true and just. At least they know what they are and are content to exist within that definition even if it is out of total ignorance. 

People use to slander Guru Sahibs to their face because they feared what they represented: a challenge to the status quo. It's an indictment on us as Sikhs that we've allowed the Hindu establishment to erase, distort, and diminish the contributions made to Indian history by our Gurus. That's our fault. Dogs will always bark. In this case we're allowing them to do so. 

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12 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

And yet you still feel compelled to blindly follow aspects of the societal norms of these people. To them you are a slave in mind and soul. When you espouse their ideologies, you are suggesting their ways are true and just. At least they know what they are and are content to exist within that definition even if it is out of total ignorance. 

People use to slander Guru Sahibs to their face because they feared what they represented: a challenge to the status quo. It's an indictment on us as Sikhs that we've allowed the Hindu establishment to erase, distort, and diminish the contributions made to Indian history by our Gurus. That's our fault. Dogs will always bark. In this case we're allowing them to do so. 

Which  aspect of theirs I am following blindly ? sorry didn't get it !  kindly clarify

Also , I did lambast them ! Invoked the fact that despite having their hindu govt in center and despite being 80% of population, they couldn't make their ram temple lol.  You should have seen the expressions on their faces haha, because they know it would never happen. 

When they mocked my turban, its just humor and friendliness and it was a little shock for them , considering sikhs should have been brainwashed by now into believing that they're meant to be laughed at ! When I resisted and returned the favor, they would say "why you always talk of religion and caste?" 

Point is : you, Mr Hindu are a weak person ! it is evident in your national rhetorics when you start movements like "ghar waapis" (returning of non-hindus to hindu fold) and despite being 14% , muslims send a shiver down your spine and your entire right-wing hindu establishment ! 

Muslim brothers in the subcontinent are a blessing to these right-wingers I tell you ! 

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sikhni777    589
32 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

All the while, these people always kept praising shivaji , their hero , even this south indian guy kept praising shivaji

Keeping all your calm, look them in the eye and ask them if Shivaji would be happy and approve of their behaviour of mocking other people. Ask them to point out a verse from their scriptures with which they can justify their actions. 

Dealing with such people is not achieved by showing them your own religion. Question theirs first.

It is human nature to deal with skeptism some culture which you do not understand. When being mocked - it is important to stand your ground and show your intimidator that they have failed in showing you down and making you feel unimportant. 

Your own scripture should be preached to people who honestly seek an answer from you. When your own beliefs get scorned at - you get hurt even more and eventually if you are not strong enough then you get doubts on your own beliefs eventually. 

Things my brothers have had their juris called in Africa ... include tomatoes, potatoes, what are you hiding in there? 

Girls (Sikh) used to ask my own Sikh sister why she has such long hair. We were all proud of my sisters decision to hide it under keski and eventually she managed to get some respect from these girls. 

Someone questioned me - a Christian as to how I can proove that Guru Nanak Dev Ji rose from the dead as Jesus did and appeared to his disciples. I was only 10 then and could not get an appropriate answer. I knew the meanings of the mool mantra - so I managed to convince them that Sikhs believe in One God. That was their main Christian concern at that time. 

 

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I must add though that one kashmiri guy said "we are alive today because of Guru Teg Bahadur ji". He atleast recognized sikh history. 

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5akaalsingh    87
1 hour ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

All the while, these people always kept praising shivaji , their hero , even this south indian guy kept praising shivaji .They would talk of going to temple together. So it proves they do have some hindu sentiment in them . They're not truly atheist !

Shivaji was nothing more than a vassal of the Mughals:

"In an ironic twist of faith the Marathas and the Rajputs, who are lauded as the cream of the sub-continent’s military crop by Hindu nationalists, were more or less in cohorts with the Mughals. ‘Only very rarely do we hear of Hindu chieftains seeking to protect Hindus… Rajput chieftains offered no opposition even to temple demolitions by the Mughals…’ (14) The Rajputs were handicapped by three main factors viz. a lack of natural resources (they were mostly desert dwellers) (15), a parochial tendency to concentrate solely upon feudal and dynastic interests (16) and finally their own pecking order. (17) In the aftermath of the Mughal conquest of the sub-continent, the Rajputs were the first to fragment socio-political taboos by offering their females in marriage to Muslim males. (18) At a time when most Hindus despised even the notion of Muslims touching their food, the Rajputs expected their daughters to warm the beds of their Mughal overlords. The main pillars of Mughal administration and security, it is somewhat telling that out Akbar’s 416 military commanders 47 of the most prominent were Rajputs. (19) Whilst Maharana Pratap’s revolt was ongoing, the Rajputs of Marwar, Ambar, Bikaner and Bundi marched against him and played a decisive role in crushing his forces. (20) Their own obdurate interests often collided with any national sentiments they might have possessed and overruled the latter. It is no wonder then that the Rajputs, as a whole, failed to initiate and lead any long-lasting revolution to oust or even break the Mughal grip upon the sub-continent.  

The Marathas, though distinctive in their political acts, were more or less similar to the Rajputs in that that prior to Shivaji they were proud sub-ordinates of the Muslim oppressors. Shivaji’s own father had allied himself with the Southern Pathans during the Karnataka expedition, ‘in which the Hindu religion was ruthlessly put down, lands devastated, shrines desecrated, idols broken, women’s honor violated, and all the accumulated wealth of centuries drained away…’ (21) Though great credit goes to Shivaji for arousing his fellows’ sentiments to counter the pernicious foreigners and their faith, his movement when compared with Banda Singh’s movement falls short in three respects.

1.) The Sikhs rejected Caste and proposed the creation of an egalitarian society. This was an aspect of Banda’s multi-faceted revolution in the Punjab and one which admirably succeeded. In the words of Irvine,‘a low scavenger or leather dresser, the lowest of the low in Indian estimation, had only to leave home and join the Guru (referring to Banda; interjection ours), when in a short time he would return to his birthplace as its ruler with his order of appointment in his hand. As soon as he set foot with the boundaries, the well-born and wealthy went out to greet him and escort him home. Arrived there, they stood with joined palms, awaiting his orders… Not a soul dared to disobey an order, and men who had often risked themselves in battlefields became so cowed down that they were afraid even to remonstrate. Hindus who had not joined the sect were not exempt from this.’ (22) Compare this with Shivaji who according to Basham was, ‘more a restorer of old than… a builder of the new… The Marathas did not encourage reforms in Hindu society, and the India of the 18th century was if anything more conservative than it had been in the days of the first Muslim invasion.’ (23)

Basham’s view is borne out by Shivaji’s own personal correspondence. Whereas Akali Guru Gobind Singh Ji enjoined his Sikhs- among them Banda- to annihilate the very edifices of Caste (24) Shivaji issued a circular edict enjoining, ‘all members of society not to create innovation in Caste practices but follow the traditional path prescribed by the Shastras.’ (25) Furthermore he being a Bhonsle (a tiller of land), Shivaji had to beg ratification from the Brahmins before he could officially declare himself as sovereign. Several Brahmins refused to accede to what they considered as being his ludicrous request before he finally found one willing to enthrone him for a large sum of money. (26) 

2.) Shivaji’s revolt against the Mughals arose more by chance than by design. Whereas the Sikh movement (including Banda’s) was construed to acquire an autonomous Sikh led state, Shivaji initially wanted to be a vassal of the Mughal emperor. His (Shivaji’s father) had been a mercenary in the pay of the triumvirate Pathan principalities of Southern India. (27) Enamoured of his valor, the rulers of these principalities had bequeathed him with several estates. Upon his father’s demise Shivaji succeeded him as the administrator of the aforementioned estates and commenced entertaining notions of his own state. To this end he set out for Delhi and submitted a proposal stating that he, Shivaji, would be more than honored to become a vassal of the Mughals if they recognized his autonomy. (28) Even after his treacherous confinement he would pen a lengthy letter to Raja Jay Singh pledging his life to the Mughals and also swearing an oath to assist them in the conquest of Bijapur. (29) After his escape he would dispatch another lengthy letter to Jay Singh complaining that, ‘the Emperor has cast me off; otherwise I intended to have begged him to allow me to recover Kandhar for him with my own unaided resources.’ (30)  "

-https://tisarpanthdotcom.wordpress.com/2016/06/03/the-stalwarts-revolution/

http://tisarpanth.blogspot.gr/2013/06/the-sikh-influence-on-shivaji-maratha.html

 

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13Mirch    883
14 hours ago, 5akaalsingh said:

Shivaji was nothing more than a vassal of the Mughals:

"In an ironic twist of faith the Marathas and the Rajputs, who are lauded as the cream of the sub-continent’s military crop by Hindu nationalists, were more or less in cohorts with the Mughals. ‘Only very rarely do we hear of Hindu chieftains seeking to protect Hindus… Rajput chieftains offered no opposition even to temple demolitions by the Mughals…’ (14) The Rajputs were handicapped by three main factors viz. a lack of natural resources (they were mostly desert dwellers) (15), a parochial tendency to concentrate solely upon feudal and dynastic interests (16) and finally their own pecking order. (17) In the aftermath of the Mughal conquest of the sub-continent, the Rajputs were the first to fragment socio-political taboos by offering their females in marriage to Muslim males. (18) At a time when most Hindus despised even the notion of Muslims touching their food, the Rajputs expected their daughters to warm the beds of their Mughal overlords. The main pillars of Mughal administration and security, it is somewhat telling that out Akbar’s 416 military commanders 47 of the most prominent were Rajputs. (19) Whilst Maharana Pratap’s revolt was ongoing, the Rajputs of Marwar, Ambar, Bikaner and Bundi marched against him and played a decisive role in crushing his forces. (20) Their own obdurate interests often collided with any national sentiments they might have possessed and overruled the latter. It is no wonder then that the Rajputs, as a whole, failed to initiate and lead any long-lasting revolution to oust or even break the Mughal grip upon the sub-continent.  

The Marathas, though distinctive in their political acts, were more or less similar to the Rajputs in that that prior to Shivaji they were proud sub-ordinates of the Muslim oppressors. Shivaji’s own father had allied himself with the Southern Pathans during the Karnataka expedition, ‘in which the Hindu religion was ruthlessly put down, lands devastated, shrines desecrated, idols broken, women’s honor violated, and all the accumulated wealth of centuries drained away…’ (21) Though great credit goes to Shivaji for arousing his fellows’ sentiments to counter the pernicious foreigners and their faith, his movement when compared with Banda Singh’s movement falls short in three respects.

1.) The Sikhs rejected Caste and proposed the creation of an egalitarian society. This was an aspect of Banda’s multi-faceted revolution in the Punjab and one which admirably succeeded. In the words of Irvine,‘a low scavenger or leather dresser, the lowest of the low in Indian estimation, had only to leave home and join the Guru (referring to Banda; interjection ours), when in a short time he would return to his birthplace as its ruler with his order of appointment in his hand. As soon as he set foot with the boundaries, the well-born and wealthy went out to greet him and escort him home. Arrived there, they stood with joined palms, awaiting his orders… Not a soul dared to disobey an order, and men who had often risked themselves in battlefields became so cowed down that they were afraid even to remonstrate. Hindus who had not joined the sect were not exempt from this.’ (22) Compare this with Shivaji who according to Basham was, ‘more a restorer of old than… a builder of the new… The Marathas did not encourage reforms in Hindu society, and the India of the 18th century was if anything more conservative than it had been in the days of the first Muslim invasion.’ (23)

Basham’s view is borne out by Shivaji’s own personal correspondence. Whereas Akali Guru Gobind Singh Ji enjoined his Sikhs- among them Banda- to annihilate the very edifices of Caste (24) Shivaji issued a circular edict enjoining, ‘all members of society not to create innovation in Caste practices but follow the traditional path prescribed by the Shastras.’ (25) Furthermore he being a Bhonsle (a tiller of land), Shivaji had to beg ratification from the Brahmins before he could officially declare himself as sovereign. Several Brahmins refused to accede to what they considered as being his ludicrous request before he finally found one willing to enthrone him for a large sum of money. (26) 

2.) Shivaji’s revolt against the Mughals arose more by chance than by design. Whereas the Sikh movement (including Banda’s) was construed to acquire an autonomous Sikh led state, Shivaji initially wanted to be a vassal of the Mughal emperor. His (Shivaji’s father) had been a mercenary in the pay of the triumvirate Pathan principalities of Southern India. (27) Enamoured of his valor, the rulers of these principalities had bequeathed him with several estates. Upon his father’s demise Shivaji succeeded him as the administrator of the aforementioned estates and commenced entertaining notions of his own state. To this end he set out for Delhi and submitted a proposal stating that he, Shivaji, would be more than honored to become a vassal of the Mughals if they recognized his autonomy. (28) Even after his treacherous confinement he would pen a lengthy letter to Raja Jay Singh pledging his life to the Mughals and also swearing an oath to assist them in the conquest of Bijapur. (29) After his escape he would dispatch another lengthy letter to Jay Singh complaining that, ‘the Emperor has cast me off; otherwise I intended to have begged him to allow me to recover Kandhar for him with my own unaided resources.’ (30)  "

-https://tisarpanthdotcom.wordpress.com/2016/06/03/the-stalwarts-revolution/

http://tisarpanth.blogspot.gr/2013/06/the-sikh-influence-on-shivaji-maratha.html

 

One can easily say that let dogs bark and prod on forward like the mighty elephant, but such a mentality will only signal to our detractors that we are weak. The time is now to unite and launch our own intellectual offensive against such pseudo-intellectuals. Tisarpanth is doing just that. Of course there are many who will argue that such articles take an aggressive line, but I feel that without aggressiveness nothing much can be achieved. At least they don't adopt the Sanataan garbage line and slag off the Singh-Sabha all the time.  

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13Mirch    883
15 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

Keeping all your calm, look them in the eye and ask them if Shivaji would be happy and approve of their behaviour of mocking other people. Ask them to point out a verse from their scriptures with which they can justify their actions. 

Dealing with such people is not achieved by showing them your own religion. Question theirs first.

It is human nature to deal with skeptism some culture which you do not understand. When being mocked - it is important to stand your ground and show your intimidator that they have failed in showing you down and making you feel unimportant. 

Your own scripture should be preached to people who honestly seek an answer from you. When your own beliefs get scorned at - you get hurt even more and eventually if you are not strong enough then you get doubts on your own beliefs eventually. 

Things my brothers have had their juris called in Africa ... include tomatoes, potatoes, what are you hiding in there? 

Girls (Sikh) used to ask my own Sikh sister why she has such long hair. We were all proud of my sisters decision to hide it under keski and eventually she managed to get some respect from these girls. 

Someone questioned me - a Christian as to how I can proove that Guru Nanak Dev Ji rose from the dead as Jesus did and appeared to his disciples. I was only 10 then and could not get an appropriate answer. I knew the meanings of the mool mantra - so I managed to convince them that Sikhs believe in One God. That was their main Christian concern at that time. 

 

Keeping calm is one thing, answering such morons is another. As another veer has pointed out on this thread, Shivaji was nothing more than a vassal of the Pathan principalities and offered his services as a mercenary to Aurangzeb. Only when the Emperor ignored him, did he set about carving out a pan-Hindu niche but even this fell to elitist Brahmins. 

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Akalifauj    792

Listen to the hukamnama you were given by Guru sahib.  By claiming to such people your religion is false will be speaking in ego because you want to get revenge for they insulted Sikhi.  Best thing you can do is work on yourself.  Know the knowledge and teach it to actually educate others on who Shiva was.  Not to degrade a person.

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13Mirch    883
2 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Listen to the hukamnama you were given by Guru sahib.  By claiming to such people your religion is false will be speaking in ego because you want to get revenge for they insulted Sikhi.  Best thing you can do is work on yourself.  Know the knowledge and teach it to actually educate others on who Shiva was.  Not to degrade a person.

Two points:

One- He is defending his own beliefs and theirs being different to his, friction is bound to occur. That does not mean that he should crawl into his hole and let the situation escalate.

Two- Shivaji was an Indian monarch and not the God. Clearly this point evades you.

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Akalifauj    792
1 hour ago, 13Mirch said:

Two points:

One- He is defending his own beliefs and theirs being different to his, friction is bound to occur. That does not mean that he should crawl into his hole and let the situation escalate.

Read the Hukam Guru Sahib gave him.  Ignorance is bliss.

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Two- Shivaji was an Indian monarch and not the God. Clearly this point evades you.

I never commented on shiva state so keep your deep rooted hate bottled up inside. 

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simran345    2,459

If they target and bully one Sikh alone, that does mean they have a problem with Sikhs. I don't agree that the problem is just with him, because they would not make fun of his Sikhi attire and values. I'm not trying to create any hatred of another religion or faith, but if they have a problem with just him, they would have focused on something else, and not link it to Sikhi. That excuse is not valid. 

They are doing just that as he is the only Sikh guy there and there is no support against so many others if a different religion and they are making it clear it's his Sikhi they are picking on. Obviously they wouldn't pick on him as much if there was a another Sikh, but I don't think it would completely stop. 

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22 minutes ago, Preeet said:

They are not doing that because he is Sikh, they are doing that because he is gay. Im sure they all know it, and are bluntly obnoxious about it. Those people are sadists, rather than having problems with Sikhs lol. They are purposely saying weird stuff to him because they want a reaction from HIM. They do not want a reaction from ALL Sikhs, they want a reaction from HIM. Likewise, I saw obnoxious Sikhs making fun of a person who was coincidentally Hindu, and they also made fun of Devtas just to make their victim annoyed. That does not mean they will say it to everyone, they have a problem with him because he is gay & gives the reaction they want. If he was not Sikh they would say the same thing, even the poster said that they do not even practice their own religion & make fun of their own religion, so it is true that religion is not the real issue. The issue is that they are homophobes.

So why are none of their comments about homosexuality? All are about Sikhism. You just want to defend your Hindu brothers. You're the one in denial, and making up random theories. 

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Kira    1,248
17 minutes ago, Preeet said:

Im sure there are comments about homosexuality written in past posts of his. 

you're a muppet;. Don't you have anything better to do than offer excuses for people when they attack Sikhism? I'm wiling to bet if someone said all that to you, you wouldn't care as long as no one dare raise an eyebrow against your beloved Devta right?

OP has clearly said they mock how he looks (his identity as a Sikh) and they purposely attack it, fun fact I've been in his shoes and yes they are attacks on Sikhism. How funny that when someone attacks Sikhism you decide to act like its no big deal. But god forbid if a thread went up about Hinduism and its flaws you'd be all over it having a seizure about how everything said in it is Nindya and we're all sinners compared to you.

Give it a rest and grow up. I'm sure there's some idols you could go and perform veneration for instead of coming on here with your daft nonsense.

 

Edit: fun fact for you. Homophobia is rampant in India. There's zero protection and if they were homophobes they could easily go out and say it with zero repercussions. 

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Akalifauj    792
18 minutes ago, Preeet said:

So youre openly gay too? The reason why Id be bothered if someone says anything bad about a religion is because I expected more from my own religion's community and it makes us (as a whole) look bad. If someone who is irreligious says things like that then I would not care because it's clear that they are not trying to prove that they are religious while saying things like that. But if a religious person mocks other religions then it makes them look silly. Keep your fun facts to yourself, dear. Homophobia is a taboo among the younger (city) generation, so that's why they probably are more aware of what they question these days. They are attacking him as an individual, rather than every Sikh they see on the streets because if they did that theyd stop (knowing how theyd get in trouble by any other self respecting Sikh). 

This rss agent is straight crazy.  The hindus directly insult Sikhi by saying the following:

 

1) Why do you tie that thing on your head ? to keep your head from exploding ?

2) Why do you people wear that dagger ? *after I explained him , "So if a sikh woman is gonna chop vegetables, but forgets her knife in kitchen, can she use Kirpan?"

3) What do you do if you gotta ride a bike ? how you going to wear your helmet ?

4) What you gonna do if you got an itch on your head ? how you gonna scratch ? *laughs*

You are very thick headed.  You should be the crash test dummy for vehicles. 

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