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12 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Holy hell that was one hell of a story! 

Maharaj has done beant kirpa on you Gurjantgnostic, you should be proud that guru sahib picked you up and took you in his lap. A sinner like me can only hope for the kirpa that you recieved.

It reminds me of amazing grace

  1. Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
    That saved a wretch like me!
    I once was lost, but now am found;
    Was blind, but now I see.

My friend, where are you from?

I'm from Reno Nevada.

I feel blessed to be alive for a lot of reasons and I feel blessed that young man is alive, and more so that his mother was spared that suffering.  I took my cues from the Khalsa, and as a little boy told Vaheguru (I didn't know the naam then) that anyone who needed it, to send them to me and I would do everything I could, and that if someone isn't able to fight themselves, I will fight for them.  That it would be better it happen to me since I was ready.  To be honest that event and the aftermath left, and leaves me, feeling more and more alone in my area.  If I did not have Vaheguru I would have nothing, and if there were not sikhs in the world I would find it all but dark.  When I feel down I can go to Vaheguru, and when I feel alone I can see the khalsa and say "See.  Vaheguru ji ka kalsa, Vaheguru ji ka fateh."

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3 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I'm from Reno Nevada.

I feel blessed to be alive for a lot of reasons and I feel blessed that young man is alive, and more so that his mother was spared that suffering.  I took my cues from the Khalsa, and as a little boy told Vaheguru (I didn't know the naam then) that anyone who needed it, to send them to me and I would do everything I could, and that if someone isn't able to fight themselves, I will fight for them.  That it would be better it happen to me since I was ready.  To be honest that event and the aftermath left, and leaves me, feeling more and more alone in my area.  If I did not have Vaheguru I would have nothing, and if there were not sikhs in the world I would find it all but dark.  When I feel down I can go to Vaheguru, and when I feel alone I can see the khalsa and say "See.  Vaheguru ji ka kalsa, Vaheguru ji ka fateh."

I was just in reno a few months back! Next time im down there imma come see you. For some reason you remind me of my friend who was in the same boat as you but guru sahib did immense kirpa on him just like he did to you. 

Why do you feel alone veer ji?

Damn i really really want to meet you my friend. Do ever plan on coming to Canada?

Gajke Jakara Gajave Nihaal Ho Jave Swami Kalghidar Pita de Maan nu Bhave Nihal Ho Jave Sat Sri Akaal Gurbar Akaal!!!

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35 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

I was just in reno a few months back! Next time im down there imma come see you. For some reason you remind me of my friend who was in the same boat as you but guru sahib did immense kirpa on him just like he did to you. 

Why do you feel alone veer ji?

Damn i really really want to meet you my friend. Do ever plan on coming to Canada?

Gajke Jakara Gajave Nihaal Ho Jave Swami Kalghidar Pita de Maan nu Bhave Nihal Ho Jave Sat Sri Akaal Gurbar Akaal!!!

You can come see me any time.  I'd love to visit canada some time, always wanted to.

I think the loneliness comes from a few things. 

You think the police are there to protect or help you, and most of them aren't.  It's like rolling dice with cops.  You have your corrupt cops, you have your cops who are to scared to do the job right, and you have your unfortunate minority of truly good cops who my heart just goes out to, that are all too rare.  

I was all gung ho to join the Air Force, and it's been a great experience, but really most people in it are....kind of lazy and ignorant and dropped all their core values on the floor long ago if they ever had them.  There are some really awesome airmen too, just....sort of sprinkled in few and far between. 

Friends I had for a long time turned out to be on a different path, and not who I thought they were.  Seems like I'm so busy these days, and the friends I still have are busy with their own lives, and my family that remains is busy with their lives.

I just don't feel like I fit in with most "normal" people.  I don't like to ask anyone for anything or burden them with my problems so I've secluded myself largely while Vaheguru has helped heal my alcoholism, depression, anger, and stress.  There is a quote, something to the effect of "Careful in your fighting of monsters that you don't become one".   As much as I did something that I think was good to help someone, it's like I wasn't untouched by the darkness of the event.  It made me prepared to kill, not just fight, to help someone or preserve my own life.  The people that love me haven't had the same troubles I have, I can tell they want the best for me, but they don't really understand it.  Like I'm another species that they're really fond of.

I went to the Gurudwara once here, they were very nice to me.  But I could tell it made some people uncomfortable I was there.  The first gurudwara here was bombed after 911 because americans are so ....number one in stupid....  So now it's on the hill, not too far from my apartment actually.  I've been considering moving to the apartments that overlook the gurudwara, but they are rightfully untrusting of wypipo. 

I think I once my lease it up in two months I'll move next to the gurudwara, and in the mean time I think I'll start going.  Joining the community here was sort of me working up to it.

I guess the two greatest fears that keep from going to gurudwara are I don't want to make them uncomfortable, and if it turned out that I didn't fit in or they weren't as open as Nanak teaches us to be it would crush me.  I couldn't take losing the khalsa too.  I know not to expect perfection, it's just people, but if it turned out that they weren't for real I couldn't take it.

EDIT: 

I'll add this.  I had a truly amazing experience at the gurudwara.  Due to some good instruction from a Kaur on the way in, and from ten years living in dojos I was able to conduct myself well enough.  The last person reading from guru garanth sahib, said at the end in english "That their guest was always welcome and had conducted himself like he was born in a gurudwara".  Which I appreciated but I could tell it was a pointed comment not just to me but to others that might not agree.  Apparently you come and go as you please lol, I sat through the whole thing.  Some very nice people came and made sure that I ate lungur at the end and I got to enjoy the...gurprasad(sp?)  I sat with the kids to eat, kind of weird but it's where I felt like I fit in, heh.

I figured I'd move next door to be close to the sangat, and even if I didn't go I could watch over the gurudwara.

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@GurjantGnostic paji ive read your story and it’s amazing of the experiences that you had and the spiritual journey. It was emotional in some places, but I liked the bit about the dream, wow. 

Your posts lead me to listen to some shabads: 

 

 

 

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Vaheguru ji ka kalsa, vaheguru ji ga fateh!

I'm glad your enjoyed the share, it's kind of weird to talk about. 

First thing I woke up to was some professional angry troll, It'll be really nice to enjoy these videos.

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Old puratan picture of akali phoola singh with earrings 

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9 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Old puratan picture of akali phoola singh with earrings 

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Does this mean I can get my ears pierced?

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6 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Does this mean I can get my ears pierced?

I too am confused brother lol

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1 minute ago, Singh123456777 said:

I too am confused brother lol

If I'm entirely honest, I don't see what's wrong with it. Aside from the whole "don't modify your body" thing, but I don't know how much weight that argument holds.

My mum told me that back in the day it wasn't uncommon to see pagg vaale with earrings. Then again, doesn't mean if you wear a pagg you're religious.

But now we seem to have more and more sources which point to Singhs having earrings, and it doesn't seem like it was a big deal.

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7 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

If I'm entirely honest, I don't see what's wrong with it. Aside from the whole "don't modify your body" thing, but I don't know how much weight that argument holds.

My mum told me that back in the day it wasn't uncommon to see pagg vaale with earrings. Then again, doesn't mean if you wear a pagg you're religious.

But now we seem to have more and more sources which point to Singhs having earrings, and it doesn't seem like it was a big deal.

The only reason i dont promote earnings is cause of bhai daya singh rehitnama which says

ਬੀਧੇ ਕਾਨ ਨਾ ਨਾਕ ਕੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮ੍ਰਿਜਾਦ | Do not pierce the ears or nose, this is the Satguru’s wish

ਪੰਜ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਧਰ ਦੇਹ ਪੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਗਾਤਰੇ ਰਾਖ  Wearing 5 weapons on the body, keeping a sword in the gatra.

 

Unless this is only for some people

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12 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

The only reason i dont promote earnings is cause of bhai daya singh rehitnama which says

ਬੀਧੇ ਕਾਨ ਨਾ ਨਾਕ ਕੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮ੍ਰਿਜਾਦ | Do not pierce the ears or nose, this is the Satguru’s wish

ਪੰਜ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਧਰ ਦੇਹ ਪੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਗਾਤਰੇ ਰਾਖ  Wearing 5 weapons on the body, keeping a sword in the gatra.

 

Unless this is only for some people

Hmmm. Which "some people"?

And it seems many people either considered themselves above the rehtinama or this was added in later maybe?

Also what's the source of this rehitnama exactly? When was it written specifically or when was this rehit transmitted to Bhai Daya Singh?

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12 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Hmmm. Which "some people"?

And it seems many people either considered themselves above the rehtinama or this was added in later maybe?

Also what's the source of this rehitnama exactly? When was it written specifically or when was this rehit transmitted to Bhai Daya Singh?

Rehatnama-Bhai-Dya-Singh-Ji.pdf

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I think it was transmitted to bhai daya singh at hazur sahib around 1708 at hira ghat? 

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1 minute ago, Singh123456777 said:

Rehatnama-Bhai-Dya-Singh-Ji.pdf

I canny click on that. I've already read the rehitnama before but unless that pdf contains some other info it doesn't matter.

15 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

I think it was transmitted to bhai daya singh at hazur sahib around 1708 at hira ghat? 

It also depends when it was written. Many puratan rehitname have things added in to suit a certain viewpoint or agenda. Not saying earrings are one but you can't rule it out.

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12 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

Does this mean I can get my ears pierced?

bhai ji

jaroor, par hor ang naa karee 

if you really fancy wearing earrings why not go the whole hog, can't you buy like clip on ones and see if they go with your salwar suit? be sure to post a pic so we can all view the transformation :rofl

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      ਸਦਾ ਹੀ ਸੁਹਾਗਂਿ ਹੈ॥੧॥    Like a woman separated from her husband goes to ravish (be ravished by) other men, the man who turns away from Parmesar goes to serve devis and devtas. She has forsaken the Husband (Waheguru) in her heart and has been ensnared with duja bhav. She thinks it to be sweet, and eats it with relish, increasing the disease. She has abandoned the pure Husband and suffers separation. The one who is faithful to the Guru does devotional worship of Waheguru and embellishes herself being in God. Enshrining the name of Waheguru in her heart she obtains bliss. Obedient, she is always in marital bliss and the Creator Himself has allowed her to meet Him. Guru Nanak Dev ji says that whoever has found the true Husband, she is the true holder of marital bliss.  
    • Fair enough. While I'm in agreement that idol worship is not part of Sikhi, I believe the tuks you have posted have been posted out of context here. The bani above is referring to those whose spritual mode of worship is only idol worship. Those who think that Parmeshwar resides only in the idol. Those who have no other forms of worship and still think they are saved by doing puja of a pathar/image. That's not really what's happening in the video (I don't think so anyway). Do bear in mind I'm not completely justifying what they're doing. I would need to know more details before I could personally comment what side of the fence this lands on. For example, if this is a regular thing or only done on a certain day i.e. Vishwakarma Day etc, what they believe about Vishwakarma and what he represents for them, and what their intentions are as well as what their sharda and bhaavna is, in performing this Aarti? And of course their maksad. As I always say, things are rarely black and white.  
    • Brother, the reason we (or at least, some Sikhs) do Aarti of Guru Sahib is because we worship Guru Sahib. The reason it's a "big deal" is because it's spiritual adultery. Even if it were accepted that you can do aarti of a saint or elder, they are not doing that. They are not doing Aarti of Lord Vishwakarma, but rather of a picture of Vishwakarma, which sets them up for the spiritual transgression of idol worship. Guru Nanak Dev ji on idol worship: ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ Salok Mehalaa 1 || ਸਾਰੰਗ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮਃ ੧) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੧੨੪੦  ਘਰਿ ਨਾਰਾਇਣੁ ਸਭਾ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ In your home, is the Lord God, along with all your other gods. ਪੂਜ ਕਰੇ ਰਖੈ ਨਾਵਾਲਿ ॥ You wash your stone gods and worship them. ਕੁੰਗੂ ਚੰਨਣੁ ਫੁਲ ਚੜਾਏ ॥ You offer saffron, sandalwood and flowers.   ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਮਨਾਏ ॥ Falling at their feet, you try so hard to appease them.   ਮਾਣੂਆ ਮੰਗਿ ਮੰਗਿ ਪੈਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਖਾਇ ॥ Begging, begging from other people, you get things to wear and eat. ਅੰਧੀ ਕੰਮੀ ਅੰਧ ਸਜਾਇ ॥ For your blind deeds, you will be blindly punished. ਭੁਖਿਆ ਦੇਇ ਨ ਮਰਦਿਆ ਰਖੈ ॥ Your idol does not feed the hungry, or save the dying. ਅੰਧਾ ਝਗੜਾ ਅੰਧੀ ਸਥੈ ॥੧॥ The blind assembly argues in blindness. ||1|| ਸਾਰੰਗ ਵਾਰ (ਮਃ ੪) (੯) ਸ. (੧) ੧:੮ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੪੧ ਪੰ. ੨ 
      Raag Sarang Guru Nanak Dev   Guru Arjan Dev ji in Raag Bharo: ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Mehala 5 || ਜੋ ਪਾਥਰ ਕਉ ਕਹਤੇ ਦੇਵ ॥ Those who call a stone their god ਤਾ ਕੀ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੇਵ ॥ Their service is useless. ਜੋ ਪਾਥਰ ਕੀ ਪਾਂਈ ਪਾਇ ॥ Those who fall at the feet of a stone god ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਘਾਲ ਅਜਾਂਈ ਜਾਇ ॥੧॥ - their work is wasted in vain. ||1||   The people who do this (idol worship) will sink in the worldly ocean: ਕਬੀਰ ਪਾਹਨੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰੁ ਕੀਆ ਪੂਜੈ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ Kabeer, someone sets up a stone idol and all the world worships it as the Lord. ਇਸ ਭਰਵਾਸੇ ਜੋ ਰਹੇ ਬੂਡੇ ਕਾਲੀ ਧਾਰ ॥੧੩੬॥ Those who hold to this belief will be drowned in the river of darkness. ||136|| ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੧੩੬):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੭੧ ਪੰ. ੧੫ 
      Salok Bhagat Kabir    
    • Like I said maybe they shouldn't have been doing Aarti, not in the Gurdwara anyway. But the picture in itself shouldn't be a problem. Mahapurkhs have been known to keep pictures of Devi Devte, they weren't allergic to imagery, especially imagery you could say that makes up "Dharam" as a whole. Maybe not the picture shown in the video, but such imagery was commonplace and is part of our heritage. As is evident from the small selection of pictures I posted. The level of Hinduphobia amongst our people borders on idiocy.
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