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1 hour ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Their is a difference in the types of jewellery and the pictures can be misleading.. As one can see the distinction.. Categorically 'mundara' of the type worn by many panjabi boys in the 90s were not considered good form, as they were in the mughal period a identifier of 'ghulams'. I was in anandpur sahib for 300 year anniversary of vaisakhi and staying in shaheed bagh amongst the akali nihangs when one of them whilst speaking to some guys from the UK one of whom was wearing 'mundara' educated him on the history. It was a fierce looking mahakaal but spoke as a parent does to a child. He did not reprimand him or chastise him simply told him that as a singh you are never a ghulam and it was these symbols  were historically ways of controlling people and outwardly reinforcing social hierarchy. He simply said why would you want to identify yourself as a slave 

That doesn't sound right. I've always heard that mundara are worn mainly by ascetic Saadhus/Yogis (hence it being looked down on), such as those similar to the ones Shiv Ji is depicted wearing. Many Devi Devte are depicted wearing earrings in both ancient and modern imagery. As far as I know men wearing earrings is an Indic tradition that predates Islam.

The kind of earrings that most boys wore in the 90s were not mundara anyhow, they were nantiyaan which are much smaller. Mundara are large hoop style earrings.

They might have been come to possibly represent those who are ghulaam by default, as those who wore earrings in the first place were the ones being forced into ghulaami. But many were also wearing turbans/other articles of clothing etc which are not considered a sign of ghulaami.

Other than that it sounds like a ploy to get people to stop wearing earrings.

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I have seen of old pics of nihangs wearing earings. 

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21 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

I have seen of old pics of nihangs wearing earings. 

 

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6 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

I have seen of old pics of nihangs wearing earings. 

strange since I thought there was a hukam to refrain from wearing jewellery which required piercings and also against tattoos ... besides wearing jewllery is self-adornment isn't it and we are supposed to be ready for action , girls have pulled out their hoops before going into a scrap ...

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If it is not a portrait of Guru ji then it is imagination. In the olden times, people had to travel far by foot to meet anyone. If someone said Guru ji dressed like a king, then it is possible the artist imagined the king complete with jewellery. 

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

strange since I thought there was a hukam to refrain from wearing jewellery which required piercings and also against tattoos ... besides wearing jewllery is self-adornment isn't it and we are supposed to be ready for action , girls have pulled out their hoops before going into a scrap ...

I'm sure piercings weren't strictly forbidden as they are now. There's quite a few pics of Singhs wearing them.

And I don't get the self-adornment thing. I don't see the biggie in wearing jewllery tbh. People bling up with kapre and all sorts. However I can understand removing it for sucham purposes etc.

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4 hours ago, sikhni777 said:

If it is not a portrait of Guru ji then it is imagination. In the olden times, people had to travel far by foot to meet anyone. If someone said Guru ji dressed like a king, then it is possible the artist imagined the king complete with jewellery. 

 

Agreed. It is one person's imagination.

I think it's a good idea overall to view some of these artists depictions with a healthy dose of scepticism. Especially considering some of their (Non-Sikh) backgrounds.

Don't forget that male artists generally gravitate towards the effeminate side of the spectrum. Art and painting aren't skills that come naturally to most blokes.

It's no surprise then that some of these artists might want to depict their subjects wearing things like earrings, and even ankle bracelets(!).

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13 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

That doesn't sound right. I've always heard that mundara are worn mainly by ascetic Saadhus/Yogis (hence it being looked down on), such as those similar to the ones Shiv Ji is depicted wearing. Many Devi Devte are depicted wearing earrings in both ancient and modern imagery. As far as I know men wearing earrings is an Indic tradition that predates Islam.

The kind of earrings that most boys wore in the 90s were not mundara anyhow, they were nantiyaan which are much smaller. Mundara are large hoop style earrings.

They might have been come to possibly represent those who are ghulaam by default, as those who wore earrings in the first place were the ones being forced into ghulaami. But many were also wearing turbans/other articles of clothing etc which are not considered a sign of ghulaami.

Other than that it sounds like a ploy to get people to stop wearing earrings.

Dude I don't particularly care whether people wear earrings or not as far I'm concerned it's their actions that matter. I'm just retelling the reasoning given and which I was present to witness 

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5 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Dude I don't particularly care whether people wear earrings or not as far I'm concerned it's their actions that matter. I'm just retelling the reasoning given and which I was present to witness 

Good for you. I was simply providing a response to your post. I don't particularly care whether it was your reasoning or not. This is a public forum after all so it wasn't necessarily directed at you per se.

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4 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

Good for you. I was simply providing a response to your post. I don't particularly care whether it was your reasoning or not. This is a public forum after all so it wasn't necessarily directed at you per se.

Fair play bro 

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YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY CRAZY !

The Guru Shaiban and Bhagat Shaiban never adorned an earrring. And also I absolutely adorn the old puratan sikh dastar as I am doing some research on it myself.

Here are the facts... 

1. Guru Hargobind Singh Ji Maharaj to Guru Gobind Singh JI Maharajah all wore kalgi, beautiful attire and shoes, and kirpans (Miri and Piri) as well as the dumalla( maybe the modern ones that we have today..however I must research more on that topic)... However why did  the Guru Sahiban wore this... to define against the tragically and oppressive regime. However with that being said, they did not adorn any earrings here's why and with some proof...

2. FIRST OFF ! Have you guys actually looked at the dates of the old portraits. Most of them were done during the early 1800's to 1850's as Sikh Art thrived.There is not accurate portrait what so ever of the Gurus.... EXCEPT ONE !

The self-portrait of Guru Tegh Bahadur Shaib, which was commissioned by Shaista Khan the Governor of Nepal in 1668.

As the story goes, when Guru Sahib was about to leave the Bengal region, an older lady and the Governor of Bengal requested for the Guru not to leave as they would miss him very much. So the Governor instead inquired a artist to paint Guru Sahib. But the artist had one trouble... he couldn't draw Guru Sahib's beautiful and radiant face..so Guru sahib offered to help draw it out himself....the painting is attached below. Full history can be searched on some online sites... Please also do spend some times in hearing and reflectig on  Dr.Udhoke and other Sikh Historians as well !

3. According to Gurbani itself, changing or hurting the God made creation is forbidden. Just like your body came..it should go back. Also the Guru did not adore or have any love for worldly materials such as gold and diamonds.But some beautiful gifts were delivered to the Guru, to again remind the people of the true Sache Patshah

IT IS HOWEVER TRUE... That the earring only came to be a sign of nobility shortly after Mughal Rule..... Don't believe me check out Aurangzeb's portraits...That's why a lot of portraits that were made all shows earrings..

Any questions please contact or link me ... WJKK!  WJKF !

 

If anyone knows how to tie the puratan old Sikh turban please email me or cotnact me ASAP...Im dying to learn..

 

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2 hours ago, amritpal732 said:

YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY CRAZY !

Excuse me sir, do you know where I can get earrings similar to the ones worn by the Gurus?

Many thanks.

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9 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

do you know where I can get earrings similar to the ones worn by the Gurus?

 

Easy geezer.

There's a line between banter and taking the p1$$.

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10 minutes ago, jashb said:

Easy geezer.

There's a line between banter and taking the p1$$.

Indeed there is. And I do not believe I have crossed such a line. Instead of highlighting a section of my comment which looks offensive on its own, why don't you read the whole thing for context, you'll see it's clearly humour.

Or is humour on its way to being added to the list of bajjar kurehats?

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2 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

I do not believe I have crossed such a line.

On this occasion, I humbly disagree.

 

3 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

Instead of highlighting a section of my comment which looks offensive on its own, why don't you read the whole thing for context, you'll see it's clearly humour.

Lol, obviously I read the "whole thing". I only highlighted the part I'm referring to. It's only five words short for gods sake.

 

3 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

Or is humour on its way to being added to the list of bajjar kurehats?

Depends on who's the subject of the said "humour". I'd venture to say it's generally a good policy to leave any mention of Guru Sahiban out of jokes.

As for bajjar kurehats, what is or isn't one is no business of mine.

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