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4 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

what about the Guru Teg Bahadur self-portrait ? does he have earrings in there? 

so do you really believe Guru Sahiban wore seli topi instead of dastaar , because of course it would be unheard of artist taking liberties to keep SIkhi niaarapan to a minimum to reframe sikhi as a bhakti movement within sanathan dharam . Besides I am sure it would be easy to claim the dating to be more ancient without the carbon dating to counter it (saving the picture from cutting/damage)

There is Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Maharaj's seli topi in kartarpur sahib so do as you wish with that.

Believe it or dont believe it, it's your choice.

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Again don't kill the messenger. All I am saying is try to be a little open minded to things, cause we don't know our history as well as we should.

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14 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

The first pic is a pic of Sri Guru gobind singh ji maharaj in his youth( notice the earrings)

Second pic is of Akali Baba Phula Singh(again notice the earrings)

Third pic is of Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Ji Maharaj(earrings!!!)

Fourth pic is of Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Maharaj(again earrings!!!)

The next two pictures are of Sri Guru Har Gobind Sahib Maharaj which are in Baba Atal Rai Gurduwara(earrings on most of the Sikhs)

The second to last picture is a picture that somebody made which depicts Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj meeting Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj(Notice that Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj is wearing earrings and Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj wearing a seli topi which was worn from the 1st Guru up until the 6th Guru)

And the last picture is of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj(earrings galore!!)

Some of these pics are contemporary pics that were made at the times of the gurus such as the Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Ji Maharaj picture.

All the credit goes to Bhagat Singh artist who found this information

c'mon the top picture the guy has ankle bracelets on ! This is a misappropriated picture...

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As the Sikhs brought the symbols of the previous Gurus before him, Guru Hargobind made it clear that he, in contrast to earlier Gurus, would mount a war horse and not resort to simply sitting as a peaceful holy man administering to the congregation on a 'manji' (bedstead). Abandoning the 'seli' (hat of silk cord) or 'topi' (silk cap) - traditional symbols of peace, he would a royal turban - the iconic symbol of a Kshatriya warrior.

 

"Manji (bedstead) is given to Guru Granth Sahib, 'seli' (hat of silk cord) to Bedis (Guru Nanak's descendants) and 'topi' (silk cap) to the ['Udasi', i.e., missionary] sadhus. I have come for the protection of the Dharma of the Vedas. Now adorn weapons on me because without weapons enemies are not suppressed. On saying like this he put on two swords."
(Gian Singh, Twarikh Guru Khalsa, First edition, (Yantar Guru Gobind Singh Press Sialkot, Babu Rajinder Singh manager, 1891),1:216)

 

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3 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

c'mon the top picture the guy has ankle bracelets on ! This is a misappropriated picture...

Do you know how the guru looked? A lot of ithihas has said that Guru Sahib had a lot of jewelry rings and stuff included. So how can you say it's misappropriated? There is Guru sahib's ring if you want to do darshan of it.

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10 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

There is Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Maharaj's seli topi in kartarpur sahib so do as you wish with that.

Believe it or dont believe it, it's your choice.

brother given the fiasco of non-shastars being trooped in front of sikhs as the real deal  this past year , I do not hold such things as important because my Guru's true roop is Gurbani. I cannot see self-adornment as making one closer to conquering haumai and panj chor , and to make holes in ones flesh is not accepting hukham, runs risk of beadbhi of Rom . We are not meant to do as Guru Sahiban did but what they said . The Guru is one jot so it is the same Guru that gave advice to tie dastaar so I am convinced by that and thus makes sense that a sikh who wears a topi condemns themself to punishment . 

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Don't limit the True Guru to our perceptions, cause the true guru can do whatever they want.

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Ok I found one self-portrait ...no earrings 

GuruJinnnc.jpg

On the same page is a portrait of ten year old Guru Gobind SIngh ji , a bit blurry on zoom but no earrings 

https://profanuraagsingh.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/historicity-of-guru-tegh-bahadurs-painting-prepared-by-ahsan-sardar-anurag-singh-prof/
is the source

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3 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

Don't limit the True Guru to our perceptions, cause the true guru can do whatever they want.

I wasn't, I was saying we (humans) are incapable to copy them without falling off the edge ... Guru ji is beyond everything, I posted the self=portrait because Guru ji will deal in the truth only.

 

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1 hour ago, Preeet said:

When I was being blessed with amrit, they told us to not wear topis..

Indeed. But Khalsa was made almost 200 years after Guru Nanak ji's lifetime

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three portraits in the ones posted are of the modern era by a guy called Kailash Raj  Guru Teg Bahadur ji (I think at the top of the thread ) and two of Guru Har Rai ji they have earrings but interestingly in other portraits by same artist he has put Seli Topi and tilak on Guru Nanak Dev ji in some and Dastaar in others  so it seems there is no real consistent approach .

Guru Angad Dev ji:

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Guru Ram Das ji:

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Guru Arjan Dev ji:

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Guru Har Gobind Ji

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Ten Guru Sahiban :

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point is that people are mixing modern in the style of mughal miniatures for purataan art

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3 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

PS: I noticed the Sikh Awareness site is offline again. Do you know something dally or chatanga?

Nah. I still ain't heard from N30. I hope the brothers okay. I think he deleted all his posts too???

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